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Yes, and in none of the documents do I find mandates but only suggestions.
Only suggestions? I am all astonishment!

What suggestions do you find? What admonitions do you find? Do you find that the documents discern any problems that need to be corrected? If so, what problems are these, and what corrections are proposed?
 
Yes, and in none of the documents do I find mandates but only suggestions.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
First of all, quoting from the Catechism of the Catholic Church doesn’t necessarily qualify as a document relating to the liturgy. The CCC is a teaching and reference tool; however, it does not carry the force of law, unlike the GIRM and RS, which oversee the Church’s liturgy.

Musica Sacram is not a “suggested use” document. It speaks very clearly. Unfortunately, it has been ignored by folks who are intoxicated with the Spirit of Vatican II and, perhaps, never quite bothered to read what the documents actually say.
 
You say that if the choir is singing something and the congregation is not, then it is “a performance”. I assume by that you mean it is for show, for the congregation (which becomes its “audience”), rather than an act of worship unto God? I disagree.
I have seen, witnessed, been present at, innumerable Masses which appeared to be no more than performance art on the part of the choir, with congregation standing/sitting/kneeling mutely. It is no coincidence that everyone and his or her mother has an opinion as to “Why Catholics can’t sing?”.

From Musicam Sacram in 1967:7. Between the solemn, fuller form of liturgical celebration, in which everything that demands singing is in fact sung, and the simplest form, in which singing is not used, there can be various degrees according to the greater or lesser place allotted to singing. However, in selecting the parts which are to be sung, one should start with those that are by their nature of greater importance, and especially those which are to be sung by the priest or by the ministers, with the people replying, or those which are to be sung by the priest and people together. The other parts may be gradually added according as they are proper to the people alone or to the choir alone.



16.c. Some of the people’s song, however, especially if the faithful have not yet been sufficiently instructed, or if musical settings for several voices are used, can be handed over to the choir alone, provided that the people are not excluded from those parts that concern them.
I have heard Responsorial Psalms and Propers that I could barely sing, much less a congregation.

But the usage of entrusting to the choir alone the entire singing of the whole Proper and of the whole Ordinary, to the complete exclusion of the people’s participation in the singing, is to be deprecated.

Then from the US Conference of Bishops document “Music in Catholic Worship” from 1973:36. A well-trained choir adds beauty and solemnity to the liturgy and also assists and encourages the singing of the congregation. The Second Vatican Council, speaking of the choir, stated emphatically: “Choirs must be diligently promoted,” provided that “the whole body of the faithful may be able to contribute that active participation which is rightly theirs.”

At times the choir, within the congregation of the faithful and as part of it, will assume the role of leadership, while at other times it will retain its own distinctive ministry. This means that the choir will lead the people in sung prayer, by alternating or reinforcing the sacred song of the congregation, or by enhancing it with the addition of a musical elaboration. At other times in the course of liturgical celebration the choir alone will sing works whose musical demands enlist and challenge its competence.”

And the current edition of the GIRM (2002) mentions the possibility of the choir singing alone three times: the entrance hymn/chant (n. 48), the Gloria (n. 53), and the communion hymn/chant (n. 87).
Problem #1: For all this to “work” properly, you need a well-trained liturgical musician. Very many church organists/choir directors may be well trained musicians but abysmal liturgical musicians. There is a vast difference.

Problem #2: The Church in its various parishes usually do not get the “cream of the crop” because they don’t pay enough. Liturgical musicians have families to feed, and doing the job well is a full-time commitment. If they can’t do it full time because they need a full time job to support themselves, everyone suffers.

Problem #3: Most parish choir members are people who “like to sing.” They have never read any church document. (Many church organists haven’t either.) Most can’t even read music. They are just sincere people of good will. (Why is the choir at St. Patricks Cathedral, NYC so good? A certain number of the members - 1/3 I think - are paid professionals.)

Problem #4: You know how something looks great on paper but just doesn’t work in real life? On any given Sunday (now I’m not speaking here of something as solemn as a Papal Mass), following the GIRM advice on having only the choir singing an entrance song “sets the stage” for the people in the congregation to not sing anything at all. Yet we are all supposed to be “actively participating” in the Liturgy. (I’m quoting the CCC here.) How can being a “pew potato” fulfill “active participation?”

The more the congregation is given to sing, and the more the congregation is encouraged to sing, the more they do sing.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
benedictgal; said:
Just how does this statement coorelate with psalm 150?

1 Hallelujah! 2 Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven.
2
Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty.
3
Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre.
4
Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings.
5
Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals.
6
Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah!
 
Just how does this statement coorelate with psalm 150?

1 Hallelujah! 2 Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven.
2
Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty.
3
Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre.
4
Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings.
5
Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals.
6
Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah!
First of all, the psalms do not even describe the ancient worship of Yahweh. These are not written with a liturgical context. If you go back further you will find that the only “instrument” mentioned is a horn to call the faithful to worship at the Sacrifice.

You need to look at these things in their liturgical context. These instruments, while suitable for worship celebrations outside of the cultic worship of Ancient Israel did not serve at the actual sacrifice. Therefore, your argument, although a good attempt, wouldn’t work here.
 
Just how does this statement coorelate with psalm 150?

1 Hallelujah! 2 Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven.
2
Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty.
3
Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre.
4
Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings.
5
Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals.
6
Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah!
It refers to any and every expression of praise, not to corporate worship in the liturgy. That should be clear from the first and last lines. Nobody is trying to prohibit people praising God in any way they choose.
 
Gee, I remember all of those songs from '62. We could get them on convenient 45 rpm records at our local grocery store. 'Course, then too in October of that year we had a large number of 'duck and cover" drills and I, being in New Orleans, with my school next to the railroad tracks, got the added thrill of seeing tanks and missle launchers moving on the rail cars. Funny thing though. I don’t remember hearing anything remotely resembling those hits in church.1

Now, my classmates when I graduated from high school in '69 did manage to get Simon and Garfunkle’s “Bridge Over Troubled Waters” and “Sound of Silence” as the Offertory and Communion songs (please note not hymn, not anthem, but songs) at our graduation Mass framed by those all time immortal Catholic masterpieces “Sons of God” and “They’ll Know We Are Christians”. That was so groovy. Like wow, man.2

I resented that music for my graduation Mass and have never forgotten it. I respect your right to sing that which you find appropriate. I would hope that you would respect our rights (benedictgal and VociMike included) to that which we find appropriate and that which all too many documents from HMC attest to. 3

BTW, would you prefer we use the word “mundane” or “pedestrian” instead of “banal”.4 😃
1 I listed those songs because your post seemed to infer that nothing which was a top pop hit in 1962 was remembered today, and even you admit to remembering those songs. Thank God those pop songs weren’t played in Church! :bigyikes:

2 What - no “Kumbaya” ?!***** 😛 (Who didn’t have “Bridge Over Troubled Waters” at their H.S. graduation?!") By the way, nobody’s doing that anymore, or advocating that it should be done, MYSELF INCLUDED!

3 Brotherhrolf, I do respect your rights if you respect mine. Do not try to cram your [generic “your”, not personal] preferences down my throat. Indeed, HMC does not even do that in her documents: She does not mandate.

Additionally, I have posted over and over and over and over and over again: I advocate a mix, not one over another. (I don’t know how many times I need to say this?!?)

4 Yes, just for variety’s sake! 😉 (Of course, I still maintain that the ideal behavior is not to use these adjectives at all and thereby not insult the composers who are using their God-given talents and creativity to render praise unto Him.)

*****I can’t remember the name of the song, but I specifically remember as a teen playing guitar at my first Folk Mass (many moons ago), singing a song whose lyrics went, “Today, while the blossoms still cling to the vine/I’ll eat your strawberries/I’ll drink your sweet wine/A million tomorrows will all pass away/'Ere I forget all the joy that is mine today…” Did you ever have a strawberry at Mass :rotfl: :confused:

You have got to admit that this makes even “Lord of the Dance” look good!

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
Unfotunately, this is the definition of a reaction to a performance.

Joysong, I agree with you on pretty much everything, around here. So please don’t take this personally. I know too, that someone should able to “nail it”.
But our awe shouldn’t be on the performer. I’m not saying that you are wrong for feeling that way. I, too, was very impressed with his performance of it. But I think that is the point.
Why not sing it as well as possible? It brings glory to God who gave Placido Domingo his wonderful voice. Consider this instruction from Psalm 33:3

*(DRB) Sing to him a new canticle, sing well unto him with a loud noise.

(KJV) Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

(Vulgate) (32:3) cantate ei canticum novum bene psallite in vociferatione
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Any parish cantor could have done it, but few (if any) could do it as beautifully as Domingo. It is fitting and proper that we should offer our very best to Christ’s Vicar. It is an honor for the artist to give his best to God.
 
Let’s see. I have been a member of a cathedral choir for the last 25 years. From 1983 to 1992 we sang just outside of the sanctuary and facing the congregation. Far too often, particularly on major feast days, there was applause. It did nothing for any of us. We were embarrassed. Singing in the choir is indeed a ministry - a ministry I take most seriously. Non nobis Domine. Not to us Lord. In 1992 we reconstructed the choir loft and built a brand new pipe organ. We have not looked back nor have we had any further applause even though we sing a choral Introit, the Offertory and Communion chants, hymns, motets, anthems, etc. Our song is prayer not performance and if I can deepen the prayer of anyone out in the congregation I will have done my part.
Our musical tastes may differ slightly, but it’s refreshing to hear this. In my current parish, here’s how it is: Choir in choir loft. Choir stands. Choir sings. Choir sits. Choir talks. (Repeat from “Choir sings.”) On more than one occasion, Fr. Celebrant has TOLD the choir to be quiet, DURING MASS :eek: . This does not include MULTIPLE occasions of Fr. Celebrants’ glaring up at the choir loft. (Of course, most choir members don’t realize how their talking resonates throughout the entire church… but then again, most of them are old enough to be half-deaf… as is the organist… which is probably why he plays at full blast… which is proabably why the choir is half-deaf since most members have been in the choir since around the time God made dirt.)

When I am in the congregation at other parishes and hear banal, insipid, mundane, pedestrian music, sung badly, I wince. I really do. Wincing is not conducive to prayer. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I would rather no music.
I would rather hear your taste in music done well than my taste in music done poorly, and would also prefer no music to any kind of music done poorly.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
Why can “Christian rock” by used in Church but not “Christian rap”? Anyway, I would leave the determination of what possesses the necessary characteristics of sacred music to the Church, to the Congregation for Divine Worship (or whichever branch deals with sacred music).
I’ve never advocated that “Christian rock” be used in Church. I have advocated contemporary LITURGICAL music. There are also some beautiful, prayerful, worship-filled and worship-inspiring music from the genre which some posters call “Protestant praise and worship music.” I do not advocate Christian “rock” or “rap” because I don’t think it’s appropriate for Mass. I have never said that Gregorian chant is not appropriate.

Does personal taste in music then allow for personal taste in prayer? Yes in personal prayer, no in liturgical settings because…
If I don’t like one of the prayers of Mass can I say my own instead? Or change the words a bit? As universal as the Catholic Church is, Her public corporate worship is not ours individually, it is Hers, and, by extension, God’s.
… the Church has mandated the prayers of the Mass. It has not mandated a particular genre of music over another.

Couldn’t the Church, since it is universal (although with a diversity of Rites), require something universal within a particular Rite?

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
Gemma, you said:
I don’t need to assume the worst about the “other side.” Their own words betray them.

  • Sounds like “I don’t need to assume you are dumb, your stupid remarks betray you”. - your opinion
That’s a good saying also. I’ll have to remember it. If you’re saying any of my arguments are “dumb,” which ones?

I have never said that one song is as good as the other. There are dreadful songs written 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago. Many posters here and in similar recently closed threads have had nothing good to say about anything written in the last 50 years. They are wrong.
  • Kind of an overexageration huh? IMHO, there has been some good music written over the last 50 years. Some is great for “praise and worship”. I, however think “praise and worship” is often quite difference from “worship in the Liturgy of the Mass”
IMO it is not an overexaggeration because there has been dreadful music written in every era as well as good music written in every era. There are some posters, however, who don’t seem to have a kind word to say about ANYTHING written in the past 50 years. They are wrong.

This leaves a broad spectrum of music because what possesses “the sense of prayer, of dignity and beauty, music – instrumental and vocal” is highly subjective. What you feel fills those qualifications might not fill the qualifications of the next person. And it doesn’t matter if “you” are a pope or a janitor.

True. I have heard Christian “rap” but I pray it never sets foot in Church.
  • Highly subjective…okay, lets go with that. If true why would you then reject Christian “rap”. It just might bring someone closer to God. Which is it Gemma… Does the Liturgy form us, or should we form the Liturgy?
(See prior posts regarding rock and rap.) The Liturgy forms us. However, if a certain genre of music “doesn’t do it for you” but “does it for me,” who is to say one is right or one is wrong. If the music in a liturgy is turning someone off, they are not going to be formed by anything else in it (especially lacking proper catechesis). To put it another way, you can serve brussel sprouts every single day… your child will never, however, derive any nutritional benefits from them if they hate them and refuse to eat them.

What is “true art” is subjective. Is there not a Metropolitan Museum of Art and a Museum of Modern Art? With all due respect to the two most recent popes, both of whom highly beloved by all, including myself, they both were/are extremely old men with different musical tastes than many younger people. I also don’t think that either were liturgical musicians. I do not denigrate Gregorian Chant, but it is not the only form of music which can be sacred and worthy of the Liturgy.
  • “…old men with different musical tastes than many younger people.”
  • Now I think I better understand you.
I’m over half a century, so I’m no “spring chicken” myself. However, most popes are even older than I am… it is not surprising that our musical tastes might differ. Do you have the same musical tastes as your grandfather?

Since I already call JPII “St. JP II”, and since it’s obvious with B16, yes, both have learned to worship. But what moves them to worship might not be what moves me or John or Sally or Bob or Jose or Helga to worship. For the Church to be universal, all its members must be considered and no one form of music mandated as the only way to worship because no one form of music is the only way to worship.
  • Which of course leads to “not one form of the Liturgy of the Mass”. Tower of Babel, here we come again…let confusion be the fruit of what WE want.
Do not mix “one form of Liturgy of the Mass” and “one genre of music.” These are two different things, and I am not mixing them. I have never advocated changing the form of the Liturgy of the Mass. I am speaking of different genres of music. Indeed, the form of Liturgy is mandated, the form of music is not.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
It’s even worse than that. It’s “you’re extremely old and I’m young!”

That swishing sound you hear is the Magisterium going down the pipes.
Aaah. Can’t form a cogent argument, so let’s just take swipes. Very mature.

… And the post which states my disobedience to the Magisterium is located where?? :hmmm:

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
By golly, Mike! You’re right. I am an old fogey. I gotta get with the flow. But wait! Was it not my generation that started the flow?
We are of the same generation. Tsk. Tsk. No need to be snotty when you don’t have anything to say.

At 18 I was an old fogey. Must have been those 33 1/3 rpm vinyl records that I bought back then. Haydn’s Lord Nelson Mass is no better or worse than the Monkees. Well, if that’s what YOU think… Will YOU be singing “Last Train to Clarksville” next week? (I won’t.)

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
But we’re not singing anything that even remotely resembles what we sang in 1960. I haven’t heard Holy God We Praise Thy Name in years and years yet they used it at St. Pat’s for the HF. What happened to those oldies but goodies that everyone sang?
Well that’s a real shame. Funny thing is, I’ve used “Holy God We Praise Thy Name” at the Mass in which I ministered, just me and my little old guitar!

There’s no organ at this Mass because (a) it’s the last Mass on Sunday evening, (b) the organist has a family, (c) the organist is over 80 and doesn’t want to come back for another Mass.

To give this Mass the dignity of a Sunday celebration, there is music. Me. And folks who usually attend a morning Mass, if they attend this one because of a personal schedule conflict, come back. Since ministering at this Mass, attendance has approximately doubled. Once congregant is a very elderly lady - WITH A WALKER :eek: - who takes a bus from another county. She has told that she does this because of the music I provide at this Mass.

The Lord has given me certain gifts, and I use them for Him. Since I’ve been using them for 35 years now, I must be doing something right.

I’m a very good liturgist, and spend hours planning music - praying first - which will satisfy a variety of tastes.

I am confident in what I do, and confident the Lord is pleased with me. So I really don’t care how you or any other poster insults me, because I will answer to the Lord based on what I have done, not on what anyone has said about me.

P.S. If you want to hear “Holy God We Praise Thy Name,” maybe you should come up north.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
We can’t think apart from (i.e. outside) the Church and then impose that thinking upon the Church. In other words, I can’t impose my preferred prayers on the Church’s corporate worship in the Mass: I can’t pray my version of the Our Father instead of the one prescribed by the Church.
Certainly not. But you sing it in different musical settings.

As for paragraph 1158:The harmony of signs (song, music, words, and actions) is all the more expressive and fruitful when expressed in the cultural richness of the People of God who celebrate. Hence “religious singing by the faithful is to be intelligently fostered so that in devotions and sacred exercises as well as in liturgical services,” in conformity with the Church’s norms, “the voices of the faithful may be heard.” But “the texts intended to be sung must always be in conformity with Catholic doctrine. Indeed they should be drawn chiefly from the Sacred Scripture and from liturgical sources.”
I’ve highlighted a part you might have missed (and the only part my blinders allow me to see). Where are those norms? Well, they’re not in the Catechism. The Church teaches more about music than is encompassed by those three paragraphs in the Catechism.
Norms are not mandates.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
OK, you’ve convinced me. Any form of music is OK at Mass, as long as the lyrics aren’t heretical. That’s what you ultimately want, isn’t it? Because it is assuredly what your approach will ultimately get (and sooner than you might think).

BTW, I’m fascinated that you extracted your views (confirmed them, rather) from a few lines in the Catechism rather than going to the many Church documents on sacred music. That’s a new one on me.
  1. See post #110.
  2. See post #112.
  3. Am I reading you correctly… Church documents which are NOT papally infallible statements NOR mandates are more authoritative than the Catechism of the Catholic Church? That fascinates me.

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
First of all, quoting from the Catechism of the Catholic Church doesn’t necessarily qualify as a document relating to the liturgy. The CCC is a teaching and reference tool; however, it does not carry the force of law, unlike the GIRM and RS, which oversee the Church’s liturgy.

Musica Sacram is not a “suggested use” document. It speaks very clearly. Unfortunately, it has been ignored by folks who are intoxicated with the Spirit of Vatican II and, perhaps, never quite bothered to read what the documents actually say.
Aaaah. Now we get to the real issue: Vatican II. I know, I’ve heard it all. It was evil and everything afterwards evil. The Liturgy was ruined. Priests are now near apostates and JPII and B16 are anti-Christs. Yeah. Yeah.

By the way, why should I quote documents, when you have already quoted nearly every document ever issued out of Rome?

*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani
 
I haven’t posted on this thread for a few days, but wow! Things seem to have gotten a little heated. Let’s remember that regardless of where we stand, we are all called to charity and humility.

I have a lot of thoughts right now, not all of which I will share due to relevance and in the interest of time. First of all, it seems that both sides of this debate are putting words in each others’ mouths. Just for the record, I have no problem with the phrase “spirit of Vatican II,” when it is properly understood. In other words, when people actually read the documents and actually do what they say to do. The “spirit of Vatican II” is, this is really a shocker, actually doing what the documents say to do! So with that in mind…
Sactosanctum Concilium #112
Therefore sacred music is to be considered the more holy in proportion as it is more closely connected with the liturgical action, whether it adds delight to prayer, fosters unity of minds, or confers greater solemnity upon the sacred rites. But the Church approves of all forms of true art having the needed qualities, and admits them into divine worship.
I bolded the past that I did because I think it is completely relevant to the debate at hand. The questions then becomes, “What constitutes true art?” and “What are the needed qualities?” I don’t think that anyone would not suggest that certain art, be it sculpture, paint, or, in this case, music, is objectivelly “better” than something else. For example, I personally can’t even draw stick people. I am possibly the least artistic person on the planet. I could, however, take a bucket of green paint and throw it on a piece of canvas and call it art. My “art,” however, would objectively be worse than Leonardo’s The Last Supper. Likewise in music, a piece requiring true musical genius to compose, a classical piece by Bach or Mozart for example, is objectively better than a guy who strums three chords on a guitar.

This, however, raises yet another question. I have learned and sung a Mass written by Bach, and as much of a musical genius as Bach was, and as awesome as his piece was, it did not move me to prayer because it was so hard to sing. The movements and ranges required to sing this piece were simply too much for me to handle effectively, and all glory to God, I’m a good singer. However, I am simply not qualified to sing Bach. Sometimes, I think some of these old pieces are to “done up” for lack of a better term. In an effort to promote a deeper sense of wonder and thus a deeper sense of worship, the result is a performance, which most, if not all of us, can agree is undesirable.

In my humble opinion, the best music for Mass is simple Gregorian chant. Something that most everyone can learn in a relatively short time, preferably in Latin, but that can sung in English as well. When Gregorian chant is not possible, traditional hymns are preferable, so long as they are doctrinally correct. Some examples would be Holy God We Praise Thy Name, Oh God Beyond All Praising, All Glory, Laud, and Honor, and Crown Him With Many Crowns, just to name a few. Finally, it seems to me that contemporary praise and worship music is also appropriate for Mass, especially a Mass with an anticipated congregation made up mostly of young people, again assuming that the songs are doctrinally correct.

I don’t, however, think that doctrine is the only criteria to be considered. Some songs can be perfectly correct in terms of doctrine, but because of their rhythm and or melody, render themselves unfit for Mass because they do not foster an environment of prayer. For example, Fr. Stan Fortuna is well-known for his Catholic rap music, but I do not believe that he uses his rap music at Masses that he celebrates, even with youth. I suspect that this is because he recognizes that rap music, like rock, heavy metal, alternative, and others tends to excite the soul, not calm the soul in preparation for worship.

I also do not think that it really matters if a song is “Protestant” in nature. This may sound crazy at first, but please read on and hear me out. Obviously, we must be Catholic and closely guard the Catholic identity of the Mass. However, that which is true, good, and beautiful in Protesant music, is by definition Catholic since Catholicism encompasses the fullness of truth. So, if a Protestant writes, “Holy, holy, holy, are you Lord God Almighty. Worthy is the Lamb, worthy is the Lamb,” there is no reason why that song can’t be used in Catholic worship. Those two lines, by the way, are taken from a popular P&W song. Oh, and they’re also taken straight from the Book of Revelation as well. This meets the Church’s desire that, when possible, lyrics of hymns be taken from the Scriptures.
 
Another point, the fact that I think there is some leway as it relates to choice of music for Mass should not in any way be taken to imply that I think that ALL parts of the Mass are open for us to do with them as we please. Quite the contrary, I think that we ought to follow the Church in all matters. So, when the Church says that these are the words to be said at the Creed, then you don’t change a word. But, if the Church says that many forms of music may licitly be used at Mass, we have to respect that.

I think that there are essentially two key questions we have to answer. First, what is licit? In other words, among all the music that has ever been written in the world, religious, secular, or otherwise, what can licitly be used at Mass? Once that has been determined, we have to then ask the further question of what is appropriate at this particular Mass? With a congregation that has never learned a lick of Latin, I don’t think it is appropriate to use Latin Mass parts. A far better alternative is to first TEACH the faithful how to chant the Mass parts in Latin, then incorporate them into the liturgy. Again, what’s appropriate for a room full of 70 year olds is different than what is appropriate for a room full of 15 year olds. It obviously goes without saying that the music chosen should reflect the liturgical season, and whenever possible, the readings for the day.

This was much longer than I was anticipating, but it’s where I’m at right now.
 
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