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I am writing to ask a liturgical question regarding music during Mass. My question to you is this: is there ever a time when it is appropriate for solo music during Mass? I am a secondary school teacher and we are planning an Advent Mass, and my cohort wants to include a solo as an offertory. Is this appropriate? As well, is Marian music appropriate during Mass at all? Someone else is suggesting to me that all music during Mass should be praise toward God, and never to honour Mary.
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I am writing to ask a liturgical question regarding music during Mass. My question to you is this: is there ever a time when it is appropriate for solo music during Mass? I am a secondary school teacher and we are planning an Advent Mass, and my cohort wants to include a solo as an offertory. Is this appropriate? As well, is Marian music appropriate during Mass at all? Someone else is suggesting to me that all music during Mass should be praise toward God, and never to honour Mary.
Your (name removed by moderator)ut is very much appreciated.
Thank you
Welcome to the forums! 😃

Advent is a penitential season, though to a lesser degree than Lent. It is a season of hopeful anticipation of the two comings of Christ. The first two weeks are centerd on his future coming, while the last two weeks concern themselves with his initial coming as Man. The only time that musical instrumens should be used is to help sustain the singing of the choir and the faithful. Why not teach the students appropriate Advent hymns such as O Come, O Come Emmanuel and Creator of the Stars of Night, or The King Shall Come When Morning Dawns? These will help draw them into the season and prepare. I would save the instrumental stuff for Christmas (which will last about two or three weeks as it ends with the Solemnity of the Baptism of Our Lord).

Marian hymns are certainly appropriate duing solemnities and feasts in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary, especially this coming month where we have the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception (our country’s patron) and the Feast of Our Lady of Guadaluple.
 
I am writing to ask a liturgical question regarding music during Mass. My question to you is this: is there ever a time when it is appropriate for solo music during Mass? I am a secondary school teacher and we are planning an Advent Mass, and my cohort wants to include a solo as an offertory. Is this appropriate? As well, is Marian music appropriate during Mass at all? Someone else is suggesting to me that all music during Mass should be praise toward God, and never to honour Mary.
Your (name removed by moderator)ut is very much appreciated.
Thank you
I have to say, ABSOLUTELY! Solo or choral music absolutely have a place in the Mass! Instrumental music also has a place, outside the seasons of Advent and Lent. Appropriate times for solo/choral/instrumental music (instrumental music outside of Lent and Advent) are before Mass (prelude), Offertory, the Lamb of God (solo or choral), and even the Communion Song. Note, the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (called, somewhat humorously, GIRM, pronounced “germ”) permits choral music during communion, but not as a separate piece afterwards. This is probably one of the most misunderstood instructions in the entire GIRM.

Hope this helps.
 
Why not teach the kids the Latin Conditur Alme Siderum which I learned in third grade? Or Veni, veni, Emmanuel? Or for Christmas - Adeste fideles? All of these I learned before the end of the third grade in 1960. Give the kids a taste of our rich musical heritage.

Marian Advent hymns - Lo, How a rose ere blooming. Angelus ad Virginem.
 
Welcome to the forums! 😃

Advent is a penitential season, though to a lesser degree than Lent. It is a season of hopeful anticipation of the two comings of Christ. The first two weeks are centerd on his future coming, while the last two weeks concern themselves with his initial coming as Man. ***The only time that musical instrumens should be used is to help sustain the singing of the choir and the faithful. *** Why not teach the students appropriate Advent hymns such as O Come, O Come Emmanuel and Creator of the Stars of Night, or The King Shall Come When Morning Dawns? These will help draw them into the season and prepare. I would save the instrumental stuff for Christmas (which will last about two or three weeks as it ends with the Solemnity of the Baptism of Our Lord).

Marian hymns are certainly appropriate duing solemnities and feasts in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary, especially this coming month where we have the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception (our country’s patron) and the Feast of Our Lady of Guadaluple.
Where is this regulation written?

This applies, I believe, to Lent only.
 
I am writing to ask a liturgical question regarding music during Mass. My question to you is this: is there ever a time when it is appropriate for solo music during Mass? I am a secondary school teacher and we are planning an Advent Mass, and my cohort wants to include a solo as an offertory. Is this appropriate? As well, is Marian music appropriate during Mass at all? Someone else is suggesting to me that all music during Mass should be praise toward God, and never to honour Mary.
Your (name removed by moderator)ut is very much appreciated.
Thank you
To answer your questions: Yes, both are alright.

Contrary to what BenedictGal says, I would use the congregational hymns at the offertory during Christmas and more toned down things for Advent.

This is, of course, personal opinion on that matter. At ANY time the GIRM allows a solo, congregational hymn, or an instrumental piece (except during Lent).
 
To answer your questions: Yes, both are alright.

Contrary to what BenedictGal says, I would use the congregational hymns at the offertory during Christmas and more toned down things for Advent.

This is, of course, personal opinion on that matter. At ANY time the GIRM allows a solo, congregational hymn, or an instrumental piece (except during Lent).
And, contrary to what PGA says, instrumental music isn’t advisable during Advent, given the fact that we shouldn’t make it so joyous as to rival Christmas. It would be preferable to have a hymn during the offertory, at least a more subdued one such as Creator of the Stars of Nigh, as opposed to instrumental music.

When we first started off at the Cathedral, the organist was instructed to keep things to a minimum during Advent. When a new administrator came in, he brought in a full-blown Mariachi group and the solemnity of Advent went away quickly. It was most embarassing that the Mariachis played the Gloria all the way to the second Sunday of Advent (and these Masses were broadcast on the internet).

The organ (or any other instrument) should be used to only sustain the music during these penitential seasons. Just watch an Advent liturgy from the Vatican. That should be your best point of reference.
 
Here’s what I found on the subject:

There are several documents regarding this theme. The 1967 instruction on liturgical music, “Musicam Sacram,” addresses the question of the organ and other instruments in Nos. 62-67. To wit:

"62. Musical instruments either accompanying the singing or played alone can add a great deal to liturgical celebrations.

"The pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument that adds a wonderful splendor to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up the spirit to God and to higher things.

"But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, with the knowledge and consent of the competent territorial authority. … This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use, are in accord with the dignity of the place of worship, and truly contribute to the uplifting of the faithful.

"63. One criterion for accepting and using musical instruments is the genius and tradition of the particular peoples. At the same time, however, instruments that are generally associated and used only with worldly music are to be absolutely barred from liturgical services and religious devotions. All musical instruments accepted for divine worship must be played in such a way as to meet the requirements of a liturgical service and to contribute to the beauty of worship and the building up of the faithful.

"64. Musical instruments as the accompaniment for singing have the power to support the voice, to facilitate participation, and to intensify the unity of the worshipping assembly. But their playing is not to drown out the voice so that the texts cannot be easily heard. Instruments are to be silent during any part sung by the priest or ministers by reason of their function.

"65. …] Solo playing (of the organ or other approved instruments) is allowed at the beginning of Mass, prior to the priest’s reaching the altar, at the presentation of the gifts, at the communion, and at the end of Mass.

"66. Solo playing of musical instruments is forbidden during Advent, Lent, the Easter triduum, and at services and Masses for the dead.

“67. It is, of course, imperative that organists and other musicians be accomplished enough to play properly. But in addition they must have a deep and thorough knowledge of the significance of the liturgy. That is required in order that even their improvisations will truly enhance the celebration in accord with the genuine character of each of its parts and will assist the participation of the faithful.”

According to this document, therefore, solo playing of the organ is prohibited during Advent.

However, while the above criteria are substantially still valid, there appears to be a small opening to solo playing during Advent in the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

No. 313 says: "In Advent the organ and other musical instruments should be used with a moderation that is consistent with the season’s character and does not anticipate the full joy of the Nativity of the Lord.

“In Lent the playing of the organ and musical instruments is allowed only to support the singing. Exceptions are Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent), Solemnities, and Feasts.”

Thus the express prohibition to solo playing of the organ found in “Musicam Sacram” is now limited to the Lenten season while during Advent it now appears possible to do so albeit with moderation and selecting music appropriate for a penitential season. "
 
Here’s what I found on the subject:

"66. Solo playing of musical instruments is forbidden during Advent, Lent, the Easter triduum, and at services and Masses for the dead.

“67. It is, of course, imperative that organists and other musicians be accomplished enough to play properly. But in addition they must have a deep and thorough knowledge of the significance of the liturgy. That is required in order that even their improvisations will truly enhance the celebration in accord with the genuine character of each of its parts and will assist the participation of the faithful.”

According to this document, therefore, solo playing of the organ is prohibited during Advent.

However, while the above criteria are substantially still valid, there appears to be a small opening to solo playing during Advent in the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

No. 313 says: "In Advent the organ and other musical instruments should be used with a moderation that is consistent with the season’s character and does not anticipate the full joy of the Nativity of the Lord.

“In Lent the playing of the organ and musical instruments is allowed only to support the singing. Exceptions are Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent), Solemnities, and Feasts.”

Thus the express prohibition to solo playing of the organ found in “Musicam Sacram” is now limited to the Lenten season while during Advent it now appears possible to do so albeit with moderation and selecting music appropriate for a penitential season. "
I don’t think that the GIRM gives as much latitude on it as one might think. The rule of thumb would be to follow what Musica Sacram has to say since it is very explicit. Furthermore, as the GIRM indicates, we need to remember that Advent is still a penitential season and we shouldn’t try to do a full-blown anything. The organ (and other musical instruments) should only be used to sustain the singing, not be a featured act in and of themselves during this season.
 
And, contrary to what PGA says, instrumental music isn’t advisable during Advent, given the fact that we shouldn’t make it so joyous as to rival Christmas. It would be preferable to have a hymn during the offertory, at least a more subdued one such as Creator of the Stars of Nigh, as opposed to instrumental music.

When we first started off at the Cathedral, the organist was instructed to keep things to a minimum during Advent. When a new administrator came in, he brought in a full-blown Mariachi group and the solemnity of Advent went away quickly. It was most embarassing that the Mariachis played the Gloria all the way to the second Sunday of Advent (and these Masses were broadcast on the internet).

The organ (or any other instrument) should be used to only sustain the music during these penitential seasons. Just watch an Advent liturgy from the Vatican. That should be your best point of reference.
What is advisable is a matter of opinion. What is allowed is a matter of fact. The GIRM says that music during advent should have moderation.

Instrumental music is ALLOWED. You may feel it is not advisable; that is your opinion, your right, and it happens to be an opinion for which you can find some support through the “spirit” of the GIRM. But let’s be clear: that is your opinion. The OP asked if instrumental music is ALLOWED. By the black and white of the GIRM, it IS.
 
I don’t think that the GIRM gives as much latitude on it as one might think. The rule of thumb would be to follow what Musica Sacram has to say since it is very explicit. Furthermore, as the GIRM indicates, we need to remember that Advent is still a penitential season and we shouldn’t try to do a full-blown anything. The organ (and other musical instruments) should only be used to sustain the singing, not be a featured act in and of themselves during this season.
I’m very sorry, but that is not what the GIRM says. Read it again. It mentions only Lent in regards to using instruments “only to sustain the singing”. I’m sorry but this one is black and white. You happen to not be correct.
 
What is advisable is a matter of opinion. What is allowed is a matter of fact. The GIRM says that music during advent should have moderation.

Instrumental music is ALLOWED. You may feel it is not advisable; that is your opinion, your right, and it happens to be an opinion for which you can find some support through the “spirit” of the GIRM. But let’s be clear: that is your opinion. The OP asked if instrumental music is ALLOWED. By the black and white of the GIRM, it IS.
Perhaps you might want to read re-read Musica Sacram. The GIRM doesn’t mention outright that instrumental solos are allowd during Advent since it is a penitential season.

To my knowledge, Musica Sacram has not been abrogated nor has it been superceded.
 
In Advent the organ and other musical instruments should be used with a moderation that is
consistent with the season’s character and does not anticipate the full joy of the Nativity of the
Lord.
In Lent the playing of the organ and musical instruments is allowed only to support the singing.
Exceptions are Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent), Solemnities, and Feasts.

This is the text of the GIRM.
 
In Advent the organ and other musical instruments should be used with a moderation that is
consistent with the season’s character and does not anticipate the full joy of the Nativity of the
Lord.
In Lent the playing of the organ and musical instruments is allowed only to support the singing.
Exceptions are Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent), Solemnities, and Feasts.

This is the text of the GIRM.
So, are you saying that Musica Sacram is to be ignored? The GIRM doesn’t explicitly declare that solos should be played. Musica Sacram is more explicit. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
 
So, are you saying that Musica Sacram is to be ignored? The GIRM doesn’t explicitly declare that solos should be played. Musica Sacram is more explicit. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
Well, it does seem that we have a contradiction. In my personal view, because the GIRM is the most recent and is authoritative, I believe that we can reasonably conclude that the mind of the Church is expressed in her most recent legislation.
 
Well, it does seem that we have a contradiction. In my personal view, because the GIRM is the most recent and is authoritative, I believe that we can reasonably conclude that the mind of the Church is expressed in her most recent legislation.
Actually, we don’t have a contradiction because the GIRM does not explicitly say that instrumental solos can take place during Advent. Musica Sacram has not been abrogated nor should it be tossed aside.
 
Actually, we don’t have a contradiction because the GIRM does not explicitly say that instrumental solos can take place during Advent. Musica Sacram has not been abrogated nor should it be tossed aside.
Why, then, does the GIRM single out Lent in this way, but conveniently forget to mention Advent?
 
See the problem that gets created when everybody starts reading and interpreting documents? As hard as one might try it seems impossible to keep our personal feelings at bay completely.

“In Advent the organ and other musical instruments should be used with a moderation that is
consistent with the season’s character and does not anticipate the full joy of the Nativity of the
Lord.”

Seems pretty clear to me. Big difference between forbidden and moderation, don’t you think? Are you suggesting we ignore the GIRM?
 
See the problem that gets created when everybody starts reading and interpreting documents? As hard as one might try it seems impossible to keep our personal feelings at bay completely.

“In Advent the organ and other musical instruments should be used with a moderation that is
consistent with the season’s character and does not anticipate the full joy of the Nativity of the
Lord.”

Seems pretty clear to me. Big difference between forbidden and moderation, don’t you think? Are you suggesting we ignore the GIRM?
No, but, the GIRM does not explicitly say that you can have musical solos. The organ and the other instruments are meant to help sustain the singing during these seasons. What is so hard to understand about that? Furthermore, Musica Sacram is still a valid document. It has not been overriden nor has it been abrogated. Ignored, yes, but it has not been discontinued.
 
No, but, the GIRM does not explicitly say that you can have musical solos. The organ and the other instruments are meant to help sustain the singing during these seasons. What is so hard to understand about that? Furthermore, Musica Sacram is still a valid document. It has not been overriden nor has it been abrogated. Ignored, yes, but it has not been discontinued.
It’s not that I don’t understand, it’s that I have a different interpretation than you. The GIRM opens the door a little for instruments to be used in moderation, that’s all. As stated earlier, the GIRM specifically omits Advent while mentioning Lent regarding this. Doesn’t that tell you something?
 
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