Muslim converts/reverts

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I read about one who joined the Catholic Church in Washington DC this Easter. I hope she is careful if she visits muslim lands overseas. There are many converts, but they must be careful since other muslims will try and kill them. “No compulsion in religion”, yeah sure, and I have a bridge to sell in Brooklyn.

I am glad you are asking questions and feel the gut wrenching shock at islamic violence.
 
I know a guy who was raised Catholic, became Muslim, and then reverted back to the Catholic Church. As far as people who were born into Islam and then left it, I don’t know any in person but if you like you can PM me and I can refer you to people I’ve met online who have.
 
Thanks! I do know about the killing of people who leave Islam, I have been very careful here in NY and have not told anyone. Except my DH, but he is not practicing. He believes in God but his parents and his society basically ruined his faith. I am just so thankful to God I found a kind man, it could have been much worse!
 
hola Jedda

gracias for the link to your blog, i thought it was very interesting and one of the signature points that you highlight is a question i had for muslims on another forum. they recommended a book about mohamed called “the sealed nectar” and two things i took note of were that mohamed called on the muslims to conceal their faith when they were persecuted by the meccans, and that they began a series of wars almost immediately to defend themselves against the meccans and others.

my question to them was why did they conceal their faith and fight instead of asking God for help. i think from my perspective i was thinking about all the early christian martyrs and even our beloved St. Peter who shamefully denied Christ three times (but later repented). and how the apostles all went out on pentecost and proclaimed their faith very publicly which led to their horrible deaths…

these contrast so heavily… in only 300 years the roman empire submitted to the Church without a single bit of coercion from christians or denial…

do you think islam needed violence and deception in this regard to survive? why do you think muslims do not believe prayer would have been enough to protect the early communities… is it just brainwashing or something more? i think i just want your thoughts on this because i was puzzled by it also…

gracias
Dominus Vobiscum
 
I don’t know any who have left islam, I have heard of a few who have. but I do know many people who have left christianity for islam. last week I attended the first revert muslims conference.
check it out revertmuslims.com, they even have a discussion forum
 
They have to be quiet or face death. We have had many threads on islamic murder of converts. We don’t need to threaten people with death to get them to join or stay in our religion.
 
I knew a man for several years who converted to Christianity (non Catholic.) It was an “inside job,” Islamic violence had nothing to do with it, as far as I know.

He wasn’t all that shy about it. I had heard him tell large groups. Sadly he passed from cancer last year.

Thanks for reminding me of him, I’ll say a prayer tonight.
 
I definately don’t agree with people taking the law into their own hands but I do believe that you have to abide by the laws of the country in which you reside, otherwise you should leave that country. That goes for muslim converts to christianity who are living in muslim countries as well as Muslims who are living in the west. If you can’t live by the laws of the land then leave.

Isn’t it interesting even though capital punishment is the law in most islamic countries for anyone who converts from islam you have many people reverting to islam from other religion. I’m not a revert so I don’t know what the appeal is for non-muslims but it would be interesting to hear from someone who reverted to islam why they chose islam knowing fully well they can’t leave the religion along with all of the anti-islam out there.
 
famdigy said:
I’m not a revert so I don’t know what the appeal is for non-muslims but it would be interesting to hear from someone who reverted to islam why they chose islam knowing fully well they can’t leave the religion along with all of the anti-islam out there.
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Most of the newer converts to Islam (they’re NOT “reverts”, deal with it :rolleyes: ) were never told about the more unsavory teachings like killing those who left Islam. The people who lure them in normally try to present a more peaceful version of Islam to the potential recruit to get them interested, and then once the unsuspecting dupe actually converts it obviously doesn’t matter from that point on what they find out since there’s just no going back.
 
PS: this is called the “milk before meat” philosophy… telling the potential convert all the things they want to hear, and leaving out all the hard-to-swallow doctrines to give them a favorable impression of the cult until they actually join. I’m not sure just how many groups use this method, but I know it’s very common among Mormons as well.
 
exoflare said:
Most of the newer converts to Islam (they’re NOT “reverts”, deal with it :rolleyes: )
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actually, many of the “converts to Islam” i’ve spoken to prefer to be called reverts rather than converts, the reason is that in Islam we surrender to God’s will and by accepting islam they have returned to the religion (islam) that God gave to all of humanity.
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The people who lure them in normally try to present a more peaceful version of Islam to the potential recruit to get them interested, and then once the unsuspecting dupe actually converts it obviously doesn’t matter from that point on what they find out since there’s just no going back.
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while I don’t deny that may be true in some cases, most of the reverts I came across are happy to be where they are. You would think that once they find out they would regret it but thats not the case from my experience anyway
 
exoflare said:
PS: this is called the “milk before meat” philosophy… telling the potential convert all the things they want to hear, and leaving out all the hard-to-swallow doctrines to give them a favorable impression of the cult until they actually join. I’m not sure just how many groups use this method, but I know it’s very common among Mormons as well.
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thats actually not the case at all. How can you explain differential calculus to someone who doesn’t understand basic algebra. Humans progress in steps from the most easy to the difficult, as we grasp and understand the simple consepts we prepare for complex ones. It is the same as building a house, you’d require a solid foundation before building otherwise the entire complex could collaps.

When calling people to islam we present the fundamental principles of faith and once the person understands and accepts these, they learn about the practical principles and then the rest is easy.
 
famdigy said:
actually, many of the “converts to Islam” i’ve spoken to prefer to be called reverts rather than converts, the reason is that in Islam we surrender to God’s will and by accepting islam they have returned to the religion (islam) that God gave to all of humanity.
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Most of the cooks I have worked with like to be called Chef, but that doesn’t make it accurate. If people want to be taken seriously they should agree to use the generally accepted meaning of words.
while I don’t deny that may be true in some cases, most of the reverts I came across are happy to be where they are. You would think that once they find out they would regret it but thats not the case from my experience anyway
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Many hostages come to identify with their captors. Doesn’t make them right does it?
 
famdigy said:
actually, many of the “converts to Islam” i’ve spoken to prefer to be called reverts rather than converts, the reason is that in Islam we surrender to God’s will and by accepting islam they have returned to the religion (islam) that God gave to all of humanity.
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This is wishful thinking, not based on reality. If they were never Muslim before they are not a revert.
 
famdigy said:
When calling people to islam we present the fundamental principles of faith and once the person understands and accepts these, they learn about the practical principles and then the rest is easy.
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What fundamentals are you refering to?

That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!
( سورة الصف , As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #11)

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #193)

Jihad (holy fighting in Allahs Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #216)

I understand them, I do not accept them.
 
Verisimilitude said:
What fundamentals are you refering to?

That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!
( سورة الصف , As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #11)

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #193)

Jihad (holy fighting in Allahs Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #216)

I understand them, I do not accept them.
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No no, they’re all “out of context” :rolleyes:
 
exoflare said:
No no, they’re all “out of context” :rolleyes:
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Or a wrong translation from classical Arabic. One would think the all powerfull allah would make it stay in context and translate correctly, but then again he could be leading whom he wills astray.

Someone has to fill up hell whether they deserve it or not.
 
hola

please let us all calm down… the thread has been hijacked. let us not be sucked into polemical arguments by people who wish to derail the thread, and let us not go off on tangents against muslims.

the OP wants to know about other converts from Islam or Reverts back to the Holy Roman Catholic Church so let us stay with this topic… there are actually many groups and organizations which have not been discussed, if you google the question they show up.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece
groups.yahoo.com/group/convertsfromislam/
answering-islam.org/Testimonies/

there are very many who have returned to the Church or come to Christ for the first time, 200,000 in Britain alone. let us focus on helping them and celebrating their turn or return to Christ. i for one do not know anything about the challenges that new Catholics face, i did not know they face persecution or even the threat of death…

let us remember that it is these people who face persecution, they are the ones who held and continue to hold the Church up… we must do everything possible to support and protect the new Catholics, congratulating them is not enough and is not what the Church demands of us toward each other.

we would not allow people to harass, threaten or kill our family, but this is apparently what is happening. let us fix that…

Dominus Vobiscum
 
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