Muslim Extremist: The Numbers

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AbeOman said:
**In my humble opinion, we have more menace and dangerous threats in this world to day then few extremist Muslims to will eventually run out of place to make their beds, consider all the wicked and evil things that are going around the world, does that please our God almighty, will he replace us with better humans…take a deeper look around us and see the amount of injustice taking every where and place…!

My friend, We are living in the age of Sodom and Gomorrah …a terrible and painful end awaits us unless we change our ways. all of us…!

We have to start from somewhere…!**
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A “few extremist Muslims”? Well, for being so few they have sure caused a lot of death and suffering. How many did these “few” kill during Ramadan this year? Over 1300 and maimed more than that. These “few” kill more everyday than the KKK (since you brought them up) has in the past 50 years. How did you decide it is only a “few” pray tell? Please share your numbers with us.

And there is the problem friend. The absolute Muslim denial that the number of Muslim extremists is far greater and that their damaging impact on the “true” Islam and the rest of humanity is disproportionately large for such a small group. Why is a global population of 20% responsible for 95% of all terrorist acts (acts the terrorist justify with the Quran)?

Humanity has a lot of issues we need to resolve, and the “menace and dangerous threats” of Islamic fundamentalism is one of them. Don’t dismiss the impact just because the majority of Muslims lack the courage and conviction to acknowledge this problem and to do something about it. We do have to start somewhere. Why don’t we start with Islamic extremist?

You said Muslims are warned about extremism in the Quran and that Mohammed cautioned you against it. Is dismissal of the problem and refusal to accept responsibility how the typical Muslim heeds these warnings?
 
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A “few extremist Muslims”? Well, for being so few they have sure caused a lot of death and suffering. How many did these “few” kill during Ramadan this year? Over 1300 and maimed more than that. These “few” kill more everyday than the KKK (since you brought them up) has in the past 50 years. How did you decide it is only a “few” pray tell? Please share your numbers with us.

And there is the problem friend. The absolute Muslim denial that the number of Muslim extremists is far greater and that their damaging impact on the “true” Islam and the rest of humanity is disproportionately large for such a small group. Why is a global population of 20% responsible for 95% of all terrorist acts (acts the terrorist justify with the Quran)?

Humanity has a lot of issues we need to resolve, and the “menace and dangerous threats” of Islamic fundamentalism is one of them. Don’t dismiss the impact just because the majority of Muslims lack the courage and conviction to acknowledge this problem and to do something about it. We do have to start somewhere. Why don’t we start with Islamic extremist?

You said Muslims are warned about extremism in the Quran and that Mohammed cautioned you against it. Is dismissal of the problem and refusal to accept responsibility how the typical Muslim heeds these warnings?
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George, by the grace of God take it easy, I don’t profess to represent all Muslims here but I will share with you what I know for sure, this menace has been tackled in these parts in away that you can not imagine.

Case in point, few months back we had a real situation in Lebanon and i believe not that is not the case.

yes, we have problems else where in the region particularly in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, just last week more than 100 innocent lives were lost because of these terrorists, however, from where I’m sitting folks in the white house are compounding it and feeding them just like fire needs wood to burn.

They use twisted logic, twisted teachings of Islam and they re getting lots of help from the American occupation in Iraq, the Israeli occupation of Arab lands (who both Muslims and Christians) and disenfranchised populaces…among many other crazy ethos and ideas.

So, let’s keep a cool head, we don’t lack convictions neither lack courage to deal with this problem but as I said one step at a time.

Anyway, we have been dealing with for ages so why it has become a threat to global peace since after 9/11, tell you what unless you are a politician and hope you are not, this problem has lots of roots and causes so let us examine it few unbiased glasses and diligently.

By the end of it, I bet we will come to the same conclusion.

P.S, I have already acknowledged the existence of the quite honestly and openly in first response to you…!
 
**George, my sincere apologies to you and the rest of the readers for the double posts. for some unknown reason I lost the first response and then I had to go through the pain of typing another one.

Apparently, I need more time to understand how the forum posting works, I will learn the robes and quickly.

Thank you all.**
 
AbeOman said:
George, by the grace of God take it easy, I don’t profess to represent all Muslims here but I will share with you what I know for sure, this menace has been tackled in these parts in away that you can not imagine.

Case in point, few months back we had a real situation in Lebanon and i believe not that is not the case.

yes, we have problems else where in the region particularly in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, just last week more than 100 innocent lives were lost because of these terrorists, however, from where I’m sitting folks in the white house are compounding it and feeding them just like fire needs wood to burn.

They use twisted logic, twisted teachings of Islam and they re getting lots of help from the American occupation in Iraq, the Israeli occupation of Arab lands (who both Muslims and Christians) and disenfranchised populaces…among many other crazy ethos and ideas.

So, let’s keep a cool head, we don’t lack convictions neither lack courage to deal with this problem but as I said one step at a time.

Anyway, we have been dealing with for ages so why it has become a threat to global peace since after 9/11, tell you what unless you are a politician and hope you are not, this problem has lots of roots and causes so let us examine it few unbiased glasses and diligently.

By the end of it, I bet we will come to the same conclusion.

P.S, I have already acknowledged the existence of the quite honestly and openly in first response to you…!
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AbeOman,

Thank you for your concern, but I am really not worked up at all. I do appreciate you taking the time to respond to this thread.

Please share with us how the menace has been tackled wherever you are at (Lebanon?) and perhaps we can all see that Muslims are trying to get a handle on the situation.

President Bush has referred to Islam on more than one occasion as the religion of peace. So is it his support of Israel that is the major complaint? As far as the Israeli occupation are you referring to the mere existence of the Israeli state or the territory they occupy after they defeated the Arab states that attacked them? I do not agree with all of Israel’s policies, however when you have the President of Iran and others vowing to wipe them from the face of the earth, what can you expect? Have any of the Arab states accepted any responsibility for their part in the plight of the Palestinian’s plight. The Arab states started a war and then left their fellow Muslims hanging.

If you call me a politician I will lose my head buddy! 😉 This issue does have a lot of problems and they have been increasing significantly over the past 75 years or so. I am not sure we will reach the same conclusion. While there will be extremists in any and all groups I truly believe that Islam itself is the cause of much of this as violence is inherent to Islam. No, not all Muslims are violent, to their credit, however they support a religious/political ideology that is. We have had many on this forum that we called moderates who informed us that it will be Islam, servitude or death. If Islam insists it can be/will be the only religion there will be conflict and Islam will be the cause of it.

Perhaps you did acknowledge this issue, if so I have missed it and apologize.

I disagree with Islam AbeOman, but am willing to work with Muslims for peace IF they are truly willing to live in peace and to admit they have a problem and begin taking immediate action to end Islamic extremism instead of blaming everyone else for the problem.

P.S. Don’t worry about double posts. Just don’t start cut-and-pasting! 😃
 
hamba2han said:
You need to individually ask all your relatives and friends.

Chances are that there are now a number of “closet Muslims” among them… if indeed they are not already declaring themselves openly.

Who then is showing the sword to these hordes of new Muslims in the West?
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Since Christian converts to Islam have nothing to fear, there is no need for them to hide.

But that is not the case for Muslim converts to Christianity. You might want to start polling your Muslim family and friends because Muslims are leaving Islam in droves. More than likely there are several closet Christians in your Muslim family:
  • In the face of ostracism and death threats – in accord with Muhammad’s command to kill those who leave Islam. “Muslims converts face ostracism in France,” from ZeeNews, with thanks to Morgaan Sinclair:**Muslims are converting to Christianity in their thousands in France but face exclusion from their families and even death threats. Most Muslims hide their conversion and Protestant ministers do their utmost to protect new converts. It is estimated that every year in the world some six million Muslims convert to Christianity.
    The Muezzin call to prayer. But here in France it is no longer reaching all Muslim ears.
    Around 15,000 Muslims each year are converting to Christianity - around 10,000 to Catholicism and 5,000 to Protestantism…
    Many Muslims in France hide their conversion but the trend is continuing. World wide around six million Muslims a year convert to Christianity.
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            As to how that happened, well
.there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46           million people. ** In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.           Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million           Muslims convert to Christianity**
These numbers are very large indeed …..
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Sincerely,

De Maria
 
I think i am partially responsible for this thread. My post stated that according to some sources, only 10% of Muslims even agreed with the extremest view (they may not ever do anything to further that view), and only a fraction of those are actully motivated enough to do anything. If that is true, there are many, many more Muslims who are not of that mindset, and they should be more agressive in bringing peace, right? Wrong, because how many of the 90% are not extremest but do not like the West either? In other words, how many are partially in agreement?

I agree that most Muslims are peaceful and considerate. I would be shocked if the actual terrorist numbers (ones who would do something) are more than 250,000 world-wide. I just do not understand why the non-violent folks give money, refuge, etc. to the violent ones.
 
MugenOne said:
If we have a clash of civilization between Islam and the free world, I hope that this clash will settle once and for all Muslim dream of one world, one religion under Islam.
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:rotfl: …oh wait…you were serious??? Sorry, I would rather be dipped in boiling oil…
 
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