Muslim friends... We will NOT convert...

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Qur’an 47:4 ,Qur’an 8:39 ,Qur’an 8:65 Qur’an 9:112 ,Qur’an 9:123 ,Qur’an 9:14 ,Qur’an 9:19,]Qur’an 9:29 ,Qur’an 9:38,Qur’an 9:5 ,Qur’an 9:88
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The radicals have misunderstood the verses. for correct meaning of the above verses please access:
alislam.org/
English w/ 5 Vol. Commentary
The meaning would be clear to you like daylight.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you!
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
Please tell me of the “riches”!
Yes, Salvation is THAT easy! Look at the thief of the cross. No special ceremony. Jesus didn’t say “repeat after Me.”
Your denomination makes a ceremony out of everything.

Explain to me what Pentecost has done to your denomination. I have to say that “D” word because the True Faith is not in one denomination but rather in One Jesus Christ.
You ARE an apostate Catholic, aren’t you.
You remind me of the guy with a new girlfriend. Can’t say enough good about the new one, can’t say enough bad about the old one. Are you one of those who believe that “once saved, always saved” too. And yes, the Holy Catholic Church IS the True Church, founded by Jesus Christ Himself. The True Church is not some roll-your-own idea that some self-taught “preacher” comes up with, but a world-wide body of believers, following the commandment of our founder and His vicar on earth.
 
[SIGN]I will not convert either. I love being a Catholic Christian[/SIGN]
 
You ARE an apostate Catholic, aren’t you.
You remind me of the guy with a new girlfriend. Can’t say enough good about the new one, can’t say enough bad about the old one. Are you one of those who believe that “once saved, always saved” too. And yes, the Holy Catholic Church IS the True Church, founded by Jesus Christ Himself. The True Church is not some roll-your-own idea that some self-taught “preacher” comes up with, but a world-wide body of believers, following the commandment of our founder and His vicar on earth.
I know that saved people can backslide back into sin. You must be “holy” or “set-aside” from the world.

My pastor is not self-taught.

Also, you didn’t give an answer… or can you?
 
I know that saved people can backslide back into sin. You must be “holy” or “set-aside” from the world.

My pastor is not self-taught.

Also, you didn’t give an answer… or can you?
You, as an “ex-Catholic” know the answers to your questions. You have chosen to disregard the teaching of Christ’s True Church and have chosen to be your own Pope. You, however, do not possess the gift of infallibility with regard to questions of faith or morals. You’re on your own. Your “pastor” was undoubtedly instructed by those equally in error.
 
The radicals have misunderstood the verses. for correct meaning of the above verses please access:
alislam.org/
From the article I found on the web site you gave, it seems that your people have being threatened by mainsteam Muslims.

Trader kidnapped
By Our Correspondent
LAKKI MARWAT, May 21: Five armed men kidnapped a local trader from his shop on the Dera-Bannu Road on Monday. Eyewitnesses said that Sahibzada Ayub Ahmad, said to be the spiritual leader of local Ahmadis, was dragged from his shop in the Shafi Market in Serai Naurang town. They said that the intruders had smashed the shop’s glass entrance.
Local Taliban supporters had threatened Sahibzada Ayub and other Ahmadis living in the Nar Sahibzada Khost area near the town a couple of weeks ago either to ‘embrace Islam’ or leave the area, an official said.
 
Actually, still looking at the thief of the cross, it IS a “quick fix”. Peter held up his hands and said “Lord! Help me!” and he got it!
If it was that easy, then why is there any need for the bible and all the instructions in it? A one page flier would do.
Define, in your own words, “confirmation”.
A person declaring thier acceptance of the faith.
 
Hi
The radicals have misunderstood the verses. for correct meaning of the above verses please access:
alislam.org/
I read a little bit on the web site you gave. Your sect seems to be very pacifist. That is good… Very good.
But unfortunately that is not mainstream Islam. The meaning of the verses I posted are exactly what they sound like… Muhammad ordering Muslims to fight all non-Muslims until they convert, subjugate and pay the poll tax or they are killed.
There are a few Muslims who say that those verses belong only in the time of the early struggle and do not apply forward. But some of them are given at open ended commands. I have a book of Islamic Shria’h. It clearly states that Islam is at war with all the non-Islamic world until all the world is for Islamic control. It states that jihad is an obligation of all Muslims and that it is a war to spread Islam. That is main stream Islamic law.
If you follow the things that I read on that web site then you are a good person. Do you live in an predominately Islamic country? If you do it concerns me. I think that Moderate Muslims and groups like yours are more at risk then non-Muslims.
 
**Paarsurrey, you did not answer by post on these two verses from the Qur’an… Please do not point me to a web site… I really want to hear what you have to say about them…
**[%between%](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=2271085 / post2271085)
Let’s see what the Qur’an says about Muslims respecting Jews and Christians… really any other non-Muslim…

3:117 - "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people."

5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another."

There is a lot more about how Christians and Jews are liars, untrustworthy, cursed. It even says that Allah turned them into pigs and apes (speaking figuratively of course) because they were so bad.


**These do not sound very respectful to me.
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Hello!

It’s interesting that Muslims call God “All-Compassionate” and “All-Merciful”, yet refuse to believe that He would be compassionate and merciful enough to assume the weaknesses of the human body to cleanse our wrongdoings and give us personal relationships with God. Remember, Muslims…at the time that Jesus was born, most of the known world was PAGAN. Now, there more than a BILLION Christians…
It’s also interesting that nowhere in the Qu’ran does it say “God is Love”…:crying:
We Christians aren’t engaging in idolatry by worshipping Jesus above God, because He is God made flesh…God can do whatever He wants, and God loves us enough to stand right beside us as a mortal. NOTE: He LOVES us THAT much, Muslims!!!

Myrrh
 
If you follow the things that I read on that web site then you are a good person. Do you live in an predominately Islamic country? If you do it concerns me. I think that Moderate Muslims and groups like yours are more at risk then non-Muslims.
Hi
Thanks for your concern for me. In fact, we Ahmadis- a peaceful faith in Islam are being persecuted by the follower of radical MullahIslam ,which is by no means truthful and hence if at all it should be defended by the mainstream MullahMuslims, in many countries like Bangladesh, SiriLanaka, Indonesia, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. This has become their regular feature. For details in this regard, please access:thepersecution.org/
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
I read a little bit on the web site you gave. Your sect seems to be very pacifist. That is good… Very good.
But unfortunately that is not mainstream Islam. The meaning of the verses I posted are exactly what they sound like… Muhammad ordering Muslims to fight all non-Muslims until they convert, subjugate and pay the poll tax or they are killed.
Hi
As I explained I would not defend the radical MullahIslam or MullahSharia, I would defend the truth in Quran. Today I would in defence or explanation give only one/two verse from Quran: 4:138-139
Those who blelieve, then disblelieve, then again believe ,then disbelieve, and then increase in disbleief., Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.
Give to the hypocrites the tindings that for them is a grievous punishment.
Unquote
As you would please observe, one could believe or disbelieve, one is free for that choice, there is no punishment or compulsion defined here, it is left for the Day of Judgement. The so called mainstream of radical MullahIslam would say one could come into Islam once for all, if one leaves, he is to be killed, these verses clearly repudiate their misunderstanding. They have lost the true teachings of Islam; that is why PromisedMessiahImamMahdi was prophesized to come, and he has come and reformed rather revived the true Islam brought by Muhammad SAW.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
You, as an “ex-Catholic” know the answers to your questions. You have chosen to disregard the teaching of Christ’s True Church and have chosen to be your own Pope. You, however, do not possess the gift of infallibility with regard to questions of faith or morals. You’re on your own. Your “pastor” was undoubtedly instructed by those equally in error.
Obviously, you, as a Catholic, cannot give me the Catholic’s description of Pentecost. I’ll have to look it up. I’m sure that instead of an instentainious movement of the Holy Spirit, it’s a mass with special words in the homily and done once a year.

I was right. Looked it up in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Dropping rose pedals to recall the miracle of the firery tongues. All ceremony and rules and regulations.

I strongly urge you to read Acts 2. WHEN was the last time the Holy Spirit was allowed to move like that in your “church”?
Peter spoke up for the first time.
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  17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
   That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
  Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
  Your young men shall see visions,
  Your old men shall dream dreams.
   18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
  I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
   And they shall prophesy.
   19 I will show wonders in heaven above
  And signs in the earth beneath:
  Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
   20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
  And the moon into blood,
  Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
   21 And it shall come to pass
  That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
  Shall be saved."
Prophesy? Dreams? Visions? ALL flesh. Not just a select few in one denomination.
 
If it was that easy, then why is there any need for the bible and all the instructions in it? A one page flier would do.

A person declaring thier acceptance of the faith.
Nope. We NEED the Word of God. B.I.B.L.E. = Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. The Bible is a book about history (His Story), present and future. It’s God’s Blueprint and Plan.
I can go on and on. Interpretation is not just for one man in another country but for the believer and for the reader.

Baptism, total immersion in water representing our death and new life following Jesus IS an outward declaration of an inward acceptance in Christ.
 
How about Kujo you keep on Topic about Why wouldnt convert to islam instead of the anti-catholic rant.
 
Nope. We NEED the Word of God. B.I.B.L.E. = Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. The Bible is a book about history (His Story), present and future. It’s God’s Blueprint and Plan.
I can go on and on. Interpretation is not just for one man in another country but for the believer and for the reader.

Baptism, total immersion in water representing our death and new life following Jesus IS an outward declaration of an inward acceptance in Christ.
But wait a minute aren’t you the one who criticized the catholic church for taking the time to teach members the word so that they know what they are accepting when they convert? So now you are saying that people do need the entire thing and not to just say they believe.

I am not xenophobic… have no problem with people from other countries… they can be pretty smart too. One man? What you think that the Catholic Church has only one man? No doctrine in the Catholic Church is decided by one man. Sounds like you have no idea how the Church works.
So tell me, when you have a question about scriptures, do you ask anyone about it? Do you discuss or look things up? Or do you just do it all by yourself?
I like talking to others, reading and learning. I love having the great resources of the catholic church when reading and interpreting.
 
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paarsurrey:
Hi
As I explained I would not defend the radical MullahIslam or MullahSharia, I would defend the truth in Quran. Today I would in defence or explanation give only one/two verse from Quran: 4:138-139
Those who blelieve, then disblelieve, then again believe ,then disbelieve, and then increase in disbleief., Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.
Give to the hypocrites the tindings that for them is a grievous punishment.
Unquote
As you would please observe, one could believe or disbelieve, one is free for that choice, there is no punishment or compulsion defined here, it is left for the Day of Judgement. The so called mainstream of radical MullahIslam would say one could come into Islam once for all, if one leaves, he is to be killed, these verses clearly repudiate their misunderstanding. They have lost the true teachings of Islam; that is why PromisedMessiahImamMahdi was prophesized to come, and he has come and reformed rather revived the true Islam brought by Muhammad SAW.
As you probably know, there are no verses in the Qur’an instructing Muslims to kill apostates. This law has come from hadiths in which Muhammad is quoted as saying that if a person changes their religion they are to be killed.

This is surely a hadith that should be thrown out, IMHO.
 
I’m sorry, but I just couldn’t keep quiet at THAT exclamation :eek:

What is your basis for this “theory”? Prejudice, and blaming all muslims for 911?

That islam is wrong, and leads only to damnation is one thing we agree upon, but that’s where it ends!
No, I don’t hold all Arabs or all Muslims responsible for 9/11. Many strive for ethical and moral goodness. But they do so in spite of Islam, not because of it. They are not sincere about following what the Qu’ran teaches. If they were, they’d be doing what bin Laden and his crowd do.

And the ones who DO follow the lead of OBL and his fellow travellers are motivated by fear and lies, not any innate impulse to do what the Qu’ran teaches as “holy” or “good” behavior (however much they might say otherwise). It takes years of soaking up propaganda in a madrass (or the local equivalent thereof) before these people are ready to go hijack planes or strap bombs to their bodies (or their kids’ bodies).

As BelFarFalla has pointed out, if you watch the interactions among Muslims even within this country (including the newly, impulsively-converted), even online, you see manifestations of the death-to-apostates treatment, even if only in the form of verbal harrassment/threats.

You see the revisionist view of history in its most highly articulated form in this country, too, every bit as brazen as the most dialectic-minded communist could manage—often funded by the tax dollars of Americans.

For all the above reasons, I think Islam has the softest core of support of any major religion.

I think BelFarFalla is right. It’s an edifice built out of fear AND LIES.

A great crisis (perhaps a world war) will eventually shake the moral people out of Islam, when the network of fear and intimidation, and propaganda can no longer contain them.
 
Hi
Thanks for your concern for me. In fact, we Ahmadis- a peaceful faith in Islam are being persecuted by the follower of radical MullahIslam ,which is by no means truthful and hence if at all it should be defended by the mainstream MullahMuslims, in many countries like Bangladesh, SiriLanaka, Indonesia, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. This has become their regular feature. For details in this regard, please access:thepersecution.org/
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
Paarsurrey:

From an outsider’s viewpoint, YOUR sect is the “radical” one.
 
How about Kujo you keep on Topic about Why wouldnt convert to islam instead of the anti-catholic rant.
Kujo, I regret having given you a forum for your ignorance. Obviously, you are a troll whose only purpose is create hatred and discord. You are as ignorant of catholicism as it is possible to be. Your performance on other threads only proves your malice. I have added you to my ignore list.
 
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