Muslim friends... We will NOT convert...

[BelFarfalla]

Hayfa:

Well ywes and did you want them to stay?

Genocide is not the way to handle this. Christianity had already spread to almost all of the Middle East and North Africa. It was already making in roads into the Arab pagans. Remember that there is no compulsion in religion.
The people of Banu Qurayzah were Jewish, not pagan, they believed then and even today in one God. Christians do too.

Hayfa:

They beleived in female infanticide?

Female infanticide was a part of human society since the dawn of time. The jews were a rare religion as it has been illegal under Jewish law for thousands of years. Remember the commandment “Thou Shall Not Murder (Kill)”? Infanticide is the murder of an innocent baby. This is also illegal under Christian law for the same reason. Muhammad did not need to start a new religion to outlaw infanticide, Judaism and Christianity already existed.
It was the Pagan Arab tribes who practiced this, not the Jews and the Christians. Using the excuse that people practiced infanticide as a reason to destroy their society, to kill them or enslave them makes no sense. What you are saying is that to prevent some small percentage of people from committing infanticide kill all of them and enslave those who are left. How about only punishing those who committed that particular crime and not society at large? Further Muhammad was not their ruler so he had no right to force his will on them.

Hayfa:

they Qureshi as you put it would tying people ot stakes in the dessert to die just cuase they beleived in One God…

Are you saying that the those Qureshi were tying Christians and Jews to stakes?

Hayfa:

They did not believe all people were equal under one God, regardless of clan, tribe, race. So you think that was better…

You seem to be lumping the Qureshi, Jews and Christians into one group.
Jews believe that God loves all people but he had special rules and obligations for them. But you think this was a reason for genocide of the Jews?
Christians believe that God opened up the covenant to all people hence all people are equal under one God regardless of clan, tribe, race.
Muslims believe that God only loves Muslims and has ordered them to conquer the world for Muslims. And that the only people who have the right to govern on earth are non-Muslims. Under Shari’ah law non-Muslims are second class citizens with few right, no access to the courts, no ability to defend themselves against Muslim attackers, only limited rights to practice their own religion. Muslim women are forbidden to marry men of other faiths. Islam is a system of religious and legal apartheid. How is that any better?

Hayfa:

That is like saying having Mao and Stalin is better… gee wiz.

I don’t see any difference between Mao, Stalin and Islam. They are all systems of tyrannical rule that allows few freedoms, no freedom of conscience or thought. All three were spread their ideology by violence. All three have written doctrine that call for the use of violence as a major mechanism for the spread of their ideology.

Hayfa:

Maybe you should read about them Even by Someone more neutran such as Karen Armstrong… That is real nice and “loving”

Most of what I have read dealing with Islam is the Qur’an, Hadiths and writings by Muslims.

 

[Hayfa]

HI Belfarlla,

The people of Banu Qurayzah were Jewish, not pagan, they believed then and even today in one God. Christians do too.

We may be on different pages… or talking about different groups. Most scholars would tell you that people of the Arabian Penninsula were not Jews or Christians, but were pagans. That is pretty standard history. Maybe we are talking about different regions? Down near Mecca they were not Christians or Jews. They were idol worships.

Muhammad did not need to start a new religion to outlaw infanticide, Judaism and Christianity already existed.

I never said that Mohammed started a “new religion.” I have never heard any Moslem who is educated make this claim. I did not say this. He was, as Moslems believe, was the Messenger for knowledge of God for these people.

It was the Pagan Arab tribes who practiced this, not the Jews and the Christians.

I never said they did.

Using the excuse that people practiced infanticide as a reason to destroy their society, to kill them or enslave them makes no sense.

No they did kill them for this reason. One thing is that the history we are used to: European society, if not their history. People and groups had warring factions (which now that I think about it existed in Europe as well). People were fighting for land, power etc. All over. If the Moslems were not allowed to practice their religion and were attacked they have the right to self-defense. Even mainstream non-Islamic scholars agree this is what happened.

At the time there was slavery. There has been slavery since how far back. We can talk about that all day… and it is still going on today with women and children.

**Further Muhammad was not their ruler so he had no right to force his will on them. **

You know it amazes me that people cannot think that people hear about Islam and willingly choose to become a Moslem. And you know how ideas were exchanged… through war and trade. Think about colonization and how many Catholics are in the Philippines… I mean come on… can I say that Christianity and the tenants of Jesus support slavery… of course not. Were they “forced” or “chose?” Probably a bit of both…

He did not force his will upon anyone… Show me one example in history and there are many biographies where he forced his will on them? You could be a Moslem or not… your choice. First of all he was married to A Jewish and Christian woman. He respected Jewish people and the Christian people he made alliance with.

Muslims believe that God only loves Muslims and has ordered them to conquer the world for Muslims. And that the only people who have the right to govern on earth are non-Muslims.

No you are wrong. The most famous saying is there is no compulsion in religion. And ANYONE, no matter the religion who forces their beliefs on others is wrong. Whether it be Moslem, Christian, Hindu or atheist and you will answer for that in the next life. You answer for your life I answer for mine. Every religion has dark “aspects of their past. Goodness… they all do, because people are human and messed up.

**They are all systems of tyrannical rule that allows few freedoms, no freedom of conscience or thought. All three were spread their ideology by violence. **

Well you know, I have never as a new Moslem told to me by anyone I have no freedom of conscious or thought… not sure where you get that… there are 1.5 billion Moslems most were not forcefully made into Moslems. They don’t hurt people, or spread their religion by violence if that were true, why are not all the Moslems in the US fighting? Come on… that is like saying cause of Timothy McVae all Christians are violent. Are they? When they see colonialism or neo colonialism by “Christian” nations, people think Christians think they are better then others. .Is it correct, of course not.

It is hard to have a dialogue because I know no Moslem who advocated violence for telling people about Islam. I did not learn Islam through any evangelical source. That is actually not allowed. Did I at all become a Moslem due to violence???

Ideas as I said spread through war and trade… how many Christians went to “convert” the natives during colonial times? Did those Christians oppose colonialism?? You know in Belgium Congo they cut off a limb of every person to subjugate them… violence is a human condition.

**Do not flatter Islam by claiming similarity to what occurred at Sodom and Gomorrah. NO human destroyed them… **

I did not say that… I said: And if Allah wants to take retribution if Allah wills. (Everyone remember Sodom and Gammorah?) I did not say Moslems are responsible… where did you read that???

 

[BelFarfalla]

Hayfa, I don’t have time tonight to answer all of your reply. So I’ll do it in pieces as I have time.

The people of Banu Qurayzah were Jewish, not pagan, they believed then and even today in one God. Christians do too.

We may be on different pages… or talking about different groups. Most scholars would tell you that people of the Arabian Penninsula were not Jews or Christians, but were pagans. That is pretty standard history. Maybe we are talking about different regions? Down near Mecca they were not Christians or Jews. They were idol worships.

Yes, history says that most of the people of the Arab Peninsula of the time were pagans. We know that Muhammad was born a pagan and worshiped as one until he was about 40 years old. Jews and Christians mostly passed through Mecca on trade routes. We know that one of Muhammad’s cousins was either a Christian or married to a Christian.

However in places like Medina there were Jewish tribes. . The Banu Qurayza were one of these. Muhammad destroyed all Jewish tribes of Median. The Banu Qurayza were the last ones who destroyed. When there was no battle to fight, Muhammad went to local tribes and made treaties with them and demanded that they pay tribute to him annually. Now why did they owe Muhammad one gold piece? Well, because if they did not pay the tax Muhammad would have done to them what he did to the Banu Qurayzah. We call that extortion.

 

[BelFarfalla]

My post above is jumbled … the edit 20 minute window timed out as I was trying to fix it… here is the corrected post. … sorry for the confusion.

Hayfa, I don’t have time tonight to answer all of your reply. So I’ll do it in pieces as I have time.

The people of Banu Qurayzah were Jewish, not pagan, they believed then and even today in one God. Christians do too.

We may be on different pages… or talking about different groups. Most scholars would tell you that people of the Arabian Penninsula were not Jews or Christians, but were pagans. That is pretty standard history. Maybe we are talking about different regions? Down near Mecca they were not Christians or Jews. They were idol worships.
Yes, history says that most of the people of the Arab Peninsula of the time were pagans. We know that Muhammad was born a pagan until he was about 40 years old.

There were Jewish tribes in Median, all destroyed by Muhammad. The Banu Qurayza were one of the tribes. He was an outsider from Mecca who entered their homeland.

It is actual history that Jews lived in Medina and Muhammad destroyed them. It is also history that Muhammad targeted Pagans. On his death bed he told his people to drive the pagans from the Arab peninsula. These are people whose ancestors lived there since the dawn of time. But apparently Muhammad did not think they had the right to live or to practice religion as they saw fit. Once the Muslims completed their genocide of the pagan tribes they turned their sites to the rest of the world, following Muhammad’s command to conquer the world for Islam. That is when turned their sights on conquering the Christian lands of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain. Of course Spain was just supposed to be the starting point… from there they tried to conquer all of Europe. These Muslims also turned an eye to the Indian Subcontinent and laid waste to a once great civilization there.

Of course, after the death of Muhammad, the first thing his followers had to do was to stop the mass exit from Islam.

Thousands who tried to leave Islam thinking that finally they were free of the tyranny of Muhammad were slaughtered. It’s call the War of the Apostates.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 388:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
When Allah’s Apostle died and Abu Bakr was elected as a Caliph after him, some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief, ‘Umar said to Abu Bakr, "How dare you fight the people while Allah’s Apostle said, I have been ordered to fight the people till they say ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’ And whoever says: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ waves his wealth and his life from me unless he deserves a legal punishment lusty, and his account will be with Allah! Abu Bakr said, “By Allah, I will fight him who discriminates between Zakat and prayers, for Zakat is the Compulsory right to be taken from the wealth By Allah, if they refuse to give me even a tying rope which they use to give to Allah’s Apostle, I would fight them for withholding it.” 'Umar said, 'By Allah, It was nothing, except I saw that Allah had opened the chest of Abu Bakr to the fight, and I came to know for certain that was the truth."

 

[BelFarfalla]

**They are all systems of tyrannical rule that allows few freedoms, no freedom of conscience or thought. All three were spread their ideology by violence.
**

Well you know, I have never as a new Moslem told to me by anyone I have no freedom of conscious or thought… not sure where you get that…

Have you ever asked them about the Islamic punishment for apostasy?

You know of course that in Islam apostates must be executed. In many Muslims countries these days they do not execute apostates but instead simply destroy their lives. In these cases the apostate looses all of their assets, they are automatically divorced, loose all rights to their children, loose their right to inherit from any Muslim, loose their job, and so forth. And what is apostasy? It is disagreeing or not believing in any thing in the Qur’an, Hadiths and Shari’ah. Therefore a Muslim has a lot to loose if they even question anything.

Remember that this is the religion that rioted, burned down buildings, burned down dozens of Catholic Churches, stoned a Catholic elementary school while children were in classes and murdered nuns and priests because some people in Denmark published cartoon about Muhammad.

 

[paarsurrey]

And what is apostasy? It is disagreeing or not believing in any thing in the Qur’an, Hadiths and Shari’ah.

After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW Kahtumun-Nabiyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:
1.Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword.Please present evidence from Quran.
2.Please meniton name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam.Please present evidence from Quran
3.Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or anyother faith and Muhammad deied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apotacy in these 13 years.Please present evidence from Quran
There is not a single case in all these categories.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[Chancellare]

After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW Kahtumun-Nabiyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:
1.Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword.Please present evidence from Quran.
2.Please meniton name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam.Please present evidence from Quran
3.Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or anyother faith and Muhammad deied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apotacy in these 13 years.Please present evidence from Quran
There is not a single case in all these categories.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

I like your rational explanations on peaceful faith and your effort to bridge gaps among faithfuls.

But when Islamic faithfuls applaud the deeds of Al Qaida, how does this fit with the peaceful aspect of Islam? Is there a rational basis for this? Is there a rational aspect in Islam?

 

[paarsurrey]

I like your rational explanations on peaceful faith and your effort to bridge gaps among faithfuls.
But when Islamic faithfuls applaud the deeds of Al Qaida, how does this fit with the peaceful aspect of Islam? Is there a rational basis for this? Is there a rational aspect in Islam?

Hi
Thanks for your appreciations.
Simply those whom you have mentioned are not faithful to Muhammad/Islam/Quran, otherwise they would refute the three points I have mentioned in my earlier post. They can never do that. They are only in names Muslims.
Thanks again.
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[Chancellare]

Hi
Thanks for your appreciations.
Simply those whom you have mentioned are not faithful to Muhammad/Islam/Quran, otherwise they would refute the three points I have mentioned in my earlier post. They can never do that. They are only in names Muslims.
Thanks again.
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

Thanks for your adherence to peaceful aspects of your faith. It is my prayer that you are speaking from a majority and that this voice is not drowned by the blasts of violence that are shaping events and thoughts around us.

 

[paarsurrey]

Thanks for your adherence to peaceful aspects of your faith. It is my prayer that you are speaking from a majority and that this voice is not drowned by the blasts of violence that are shaping events and thoughts around us.

Hi
May GodAllahYHWH bless you!
Thanks

 

[kellie]

This quote is not accurate…

Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Therefore, when you meet The Unbelievers (in fight), Smite them at their necks; at length when you thoroughly subdue them, bind a bond. Firmly (on them); thereafter (is it either time for generosity or ransom.) Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus ye are commanded. Thus if it had been Allah’s will he could have exacted retribution from them himself; but he lets you fight in order to test you. Some with you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah-- he will never let be lost.

What you have to do is understand context and situation. First of all, if you find yourself inn war (and war happens) you should strike down and subdue your attacker. (and this you can only do in self-defense). And they were under attack by the Quareshi at the time. Then you should deal justly with them either giving freedom or give back for ransom. And if Allah wants to take retribution if Allah wills. (Everyone remember Sodom and Gammorah?) And this is a test. For all people. It has nothing to do with anyone doing or gaining from these people something for Islam. And if you start unjust war, and repent you should be given the benefit of the doubt. No where does it say you must continue to fight people not fighting you. And the challenge is to stay true to one’s values even in war.

Jihad is about a personal test. We are all tested by God / Allah. I do not think that people of any faith or spirituality really does not think that they are not “tested” in some way or another.
Peace

Therefore, when you meet The Unbelievers (in fight), Smite them at their necks; at length when you thoroughly subdue them, bind a bond. Firmly (on them); thereafter (is it either time for generosity or ransom.) Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus ye are commanded. Thus if it had been Allah’s will he could have exacted retribution from them himself; but he lets you fight in order to test you. Some with you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah-- he will never let be lost.

What you have to do is understand context and situation. First of all, if you find yourself inn war (and war happens) you should strike down and subdue your attacker. (and this you can only do in self-defense). And they were under attack by the Quareshi at the time. Then you should deal justly with them either giving freedom or give back for ransom. And if Allah wants to take retribution if Allah wills. (Everyone remember Sodom and Gammorah?) And this is a test. For all people. It has nothing to do with anyone doing or gaining from these people something for Islam. And if you start unjust war, and repent you should be given the benefit of the doubt. No where does it say you must continue to fight people not fighting you. And the challenge is to stay true to one’s values even in war.

Jihad is about a personal test. We are all tested by God / Allah. I do not think that people of any faith or spirituality really does not think that they are not “tested” in some way or another.
Peace

Why would you be at war with Unbelievers anyway?

 

[BelFarfalla]

After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW Kahtumun-Nabiyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:
1.Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword.Please present evidence from Quran.
2.Please meniton name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam.Please present evidence from Quran
3.Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or anyother faith and Muhammad deied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apotacy in these 13 years.Please present evidence from Quran
There is not a single case in all these categories.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

Do the Ahmadi use any of the Hadiths?

 

[Randy_Carson]

Obviously, you, as a Catholic, cannot give me the Catholic’s description of Pentecost. I strongly urge you to read Acts 2. WHEN was the last time the Holy Spirit was allowed to move like that in your “church”?

Whenever He wills to do so. We do not REQUIRE these things of God. He is sovereign and moves as He will.

Peter spoke up for the first time.

17 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.”

Prophesy? Dreams? Visions? ALL flesh. Not just a select few in one denomination.

There is only one true “denomination”…the Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Peter the Rock and his successors the Bishops.

Sadly, all the rest are “traditions of men” who have splintered off into their own errors and teachings.

However concerning the gifts of the Spirit, have you not read:

4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?

The answer to these rhetorical questions is “no”. Not all have these gifts. Nor are they required to. God gives them to whomever he will.

However, according to Jesus’ own words, we are required to receive His body and blood made present by the power of the Holy Spirit in the Eucharist , and we do this every Sunday at mass.

WHEN was the last time the Holy Spirit was allowed to move like that in your “church”?

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

 

[paarsurrey]

Do the Ahmadi use any of the Hadiths?

Hi
Yes we do, those which support Quran. This is a principle set forth by those people who collected Hadith.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[pawel15]

Most muslims i know are real scumbags, and i am being nice. This is the truth i am not being arrogant. The reason is because Islam teaches that all non-muslims can be treated in any way that seems fit. Their is no love, or mercy but pure hatred against all people not of the muslim faith. Now i know your going to tell me that i’m wrong but who are you trying to kid???

If muslims were a peacefull religion their would never have been a single crusade. All the lands in modern day turkey would still belong to the byzantine empire. Jihad would only be a myth, their would have never been a massacre of Armenians and the Islamic populations would be very small. Saudi Arabia would allow the practise of christianty and other religions. The sterotype of a teroist would be placed on another group of people.

Islam contradicts christianity becasue it was made to do so. What God makes, the devil destroys (Islam fits into this category). My greatest wish is to see the conversion of muslims to christianity, but this can only be done in war, because islam only knows voilence. ( i would never incourage war)

The reason their is no dialogue between Islam and the catholic church because the devil (and most muslims) fear that this will convert many muslims to the catholic faith. I can go on for hours but my time spent on this thread would be usefull somewhere else.

 

[pawel15]

One more thing i want to mention, this really makes sense.

“Not all muslims are terroists, but all terroists are muslim”

I really hate argueing, but some people cross the line.

 

[paarsurrey]

The reason is because Islam teaches that all non-muslims can be treated in any way that seems fit.

Hi
I respect your opinion.
Islam started with Muhammad/Quran, let us see if the things you say are truly originated in him.
After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:

1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword. Please present evidence from Quran.
2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy in these 13 years. Please present evidence from Quran
   There is not a single case in all these categories.
   So all you see could be only an extracurriculum activity of the radicals only, not having any basis in the teachings of Muhammad/Islam.
   Thanks
   I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
   The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[BelFarfalla]

paarsurrey:
I respect your opinion.
Islam started with Muhammad/Quran, let us see if the things you say are truly originated in him.
After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:
1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword. Please present evidence from Quran.
2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy in these 13 years. Please present evidence from Quran
There is not a single case in all these categories.
So all you see could be only an extracurriculum activity of the radicals only, not having any basis in the teachings of Muhammad/Islam.
Thanks.
Paarsurrey, restricting the view of this to the first 13 years in which he was in Mecca is disingenuous. Why? Because in those years he was only getting started. When he and his followers left Mecca there were only about 15 followers. The violence came when they moved to Medina and Muhammad was able to gather many followers very quickly. He promised them that in war and caravan raiding they could keep for themselves 4/5ths of the war booty. With this, the number of his followers grew very quickly. The disenfranchised were more then glad to join this band and fight. There was always some more then willing to carry out the assassinations he ordered too.

 

[pawel15]

Hi
I respect your opinion.
Islam started with Muhammad/Quran, let us see if the things you say are truly originated in him.
After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:

1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword. Please present evidence from Quran.
2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy in these 13 years. Please present evidence from Quran
   There is not a single case in all these categories.
   So all you see could be only an extracurriculum activity of the radicals only, not having any basis in the teachings of Muhammad/Islam.
   Thanks
   I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
   The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

I actually never mentioned in my so called ‘opinion’. about Islam forcefully converting non-muslims. Many religions have done this in their history, (even the catholic church).

But the diference is that the catholic doctrine never incourages us to forcefully convert non-catholics. Jesus never incourages this also. Show me any evidence of this in the bible, or catechism.

Where as Islam to this day still incourages conversion by force, we see this in most middle-east countries. The quaran even says to convert non-muslims to the “true faith”, by force if necesary. Mohamed as we all know uses his own beleif as an excuse to rape, pillage and burn. This is an historical fact.

As for mentioning a name of a person who Mohamed killed during his 13 years, as evidence, you can easily wave that off.
(Any christian could use as an excuse, 'Name one muslim who was killed during the crusades???)
But this excuse doesn’t change the fact that during the crusades a muslim was killed. So choose a question wisely and not a question that can be used by any group of people.

Do you agree?

 

[Scarecrow]

Yes I know.
But by posting this, im hoping they will stop baggering on with the converting etc, its starting to really annoy me.

[SIGN]I will NOT convert[/SIGN]

lol. And they complain on their forum about Christians converting them.

Well some whykuffar members established the realterror.wordpress blog and after that they seem to be on the defensive. Why would anyone want to associate themselves with Islamic organizations like ICNA and Whyislam when they support convicted criminal behavior from their own members.