Muslim Inferiority Complex?

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Sister_Amy said:
ROFL

Muhammad wasn’t someone who kept excess wealth around and he never accepted charity. Gold-digger? That’s funny.
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Really? what was Mohammeds profession, after he was leader of the ummah?

and if he didnt accept charity, with what funds did he keep his wives.

wait before you attempt to answer that…let me tell you.

1/5th of the war booty… that is 16 years of living on the flesh of war victims…carrion eater.

I will admit he distributed most of it to his ummah :eek: …but he and they did feast on the blood and sweat of his wars.

Well I hate saying it…but what goes around comes around…look at his ummah now.
 
algebra said:
Really? what was Mohammeds profession, after he was leader of the ummah?

and if he didnt accept charity, with what funds did he keep his wives.

wait before you attempt to answer that…let me tell you.

1/5th of the war booty… that is 16 years of living on the flesh of war victims…carrion eater.

I will admit he distributed most of it to his ummah :eek: …but he and they did feast on the blood and sweat of his wars.

Well I hate saying it…but what goes around comes around…look at his ummah now.
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Dude, that doesn’t even make sense.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Interesting! Looks like it was the Companions who were forbidden from marrying his (saws) wives though, rather than the reverse. Interesting. Thanks for bringing up the verse. Like I said, I wasn’t sure. 🙂
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what? yes the men forbidden to marry any of his wives, but it was ok for his wives to marry them? am not sure i understand your answer.
 
Sister_Amy said:
But she did not want to be married to Zaid–he was no longer a slave, he had been freed, but she had a bad opinion of him for it. And she wanted to be married to Muhammad. 🤷
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so both she and Muhammad committed the sin of adultry, since both were married with feelings outside marriage. Besides, was it Zainab who wanted to marry him or was it Allah who says Muhammad should not conceal what’s in his heart?
 
To say Zainab wanted it, as if Muhammad had no choice but to sumbit to her wishes is ridicilous. If she was an andulterous (according to the Bible), being a married woman thiking of other men, Muhammad was supposed to be a bit higher than her in morality but we see a revelation from Allah asking Muhammad not to conceal his feelings toward a married women…and it is Christians who corrupted God’s words…after all married women and men can have feelings to other people outside marriage but corrupt Christians decided otherwise and Muhammad corrects by saying a man should not conceal his feelings towards a married woman.

I see such marriage like a woman marrying the husband of her adopted daughter…even an average sinful woman should feel immoral for such a thing, let alone a prophet with divine approval.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Dude, that doesn’t even make sense.
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ok so tell me, how did he feed himself?

And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, **verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], **(and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.
 
algebra said:
ok so tell me, how did he feed himself?

And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, **verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], **(and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.
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what does it mean assigned to Allah?
 
inJESUS said:
thank you Vickie.🙂

I quote from the link:

“one share for the Prophet (pbuh) which was the share given for the sake of Allah (Allah’s share)”

I still don’t get it. So assigned to Allah means for Allah’s sake? what does it mean to take money for Allah’s sake and who actually receives the money?
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I would imagine Muhammad got it! 😃
 
Sister_Amy said:
ROFL

Muhammad wasn’t someone who kept excess wealth around and he never accepted charity. Gold-digger? That’s funny.

But she did not want to be married to Zaid–he was no longer a slave, he had been freed, but she had a bad opinion of him for it. And she wanted to be married to Muhammad. 🤷
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So, he had no issue taking her for a wife?

See, I have an issue with that. I would not marry the ex of a co-worker, family member, or friend. It is not acceptable to me.

And I was not saying that Muhammed was a Gold-digger, but I think you knew that.

Would the wife of Muhammed not have prestege? Power? Did he live in a shack and have nothing of his own at that time in his life?

Why was she not happy that Zaid was not a slave anymore?
 
I read the narrations about the spoils of war.

I cant help but conclude that the muslims at the time were a bunch of brigands and thieves.

I still think Mohammed was alright by the standards of the day. The standard being the behaviour expected from a brigand chief, not the standard expected from a prophet of G_D.

How the heck do muslims fall for it? It is so apparent.
 
algebra said:
ok so tell me, how did he feed himself?

And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, **verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], **(and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.
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algebra, please apply a good equation by seeing all sides of the affair.
Muhammad was driven out of his city (Makkah) by the pagans in year 622 A.D… He had to save his life. There was a price of 100 Red camels on his head, dead or alive. He migrated to Madinah where he charted out a plan of peaceful living with the local people and Jews and Christians, a plan of mutual co-operation, co-existence. That charter is called the Meethaq e Madinah and may be available even today in some libraray.

Muhammad never went to Makkah to attack the pagans. The pagans (Mushrikeen of Makkah) were blood thirsty to annihilate the new state of Madinah. The Jews and the Christians were the helpers of the pagans.The pagans attacked Madinah every year. War was always imposed on Muhammad… War takes its toll.

There are spoils of war there is always some booty. There was an open rule for the disribution of the booty. What harm is there if 1/5 went to the prophet. He had many commitments. Try to look at these things in a good way. Many days there was no food in his house and there was no fire for cooking anything.
Muhammad never built any palace for himself. He used to sleep on a plain bed. But the christian king Kaisar at Rome and the Persian King and his cronies lived a life of luxury.

Muhammad was a true examplary international leader of all people of the world.
 
ralphinal said:
So, he had no issue taking her for a wife?

See, I have an issue with that. I would not marry the ex of a co-worker, family member, or friend. It is not acceptable to me.

And I was not saying that Muhammed was a Gold-digger, but I think you knew that.

Would the wife of Muhammed not have prestege? Power? Did he live in a shack and have nothing of his own at that time in his life?

Why was she not happy that Zaid was not a slave anymore?
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Ralph, you can follow your wishes but do not call it religous or piety. There is no original sin. There is no sin if people marry. There is no sin if they separate (divorce). Divorce is permitted, has been permitted in very old laws.

There is no sin if the divorced persons get re-married. Such practices (divorce) should be disliked and suppressed. The divorce etc. should not be encouarged. But that is all. Saying or doing Beyond that would be sin. So please do not think of such things. There should be no bar on re-marriage.

The good things are good things. Like marriage should be for life time. Such things should be encouraged but not enforced. That would be un-natural and religiously illegal.
 
planten said:
Ralph, you can follow your wishes but do not call it religous or piety. There is no original sin. There is no sin if people marry. There is no sin if they separate (divorce). Divorce is permitted, has been permitted in very old laws.

There is no sin if the divorced persons get re-married. Such practices (divorce) should be disliked and suppressed. The divorce etc. should not be encouarged. But that is all. Saying or doing Beyond that would be sin. So please do not think of such things. There should be no bar on re-marriage.

The good things are good things. Like marriage should be for life time. Such things should be encouraged but not enforced. That would be un-natural and religiously illegal.
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There is an old saying that you never put a woman ahead of your friends. No sex is worth it. No relationship is worth it. Muhammed put a woman ahead of a close relationship.

College kids today refer to it as “Bros before Hoes”

The fact that he would destroy a relationship for a woman tells me his priority was sex.

I take it you would marry a friend’s ex wife?
 
algebra said:
I read the narrations about the spoils of war.

I cant help but conclude that the muslims at the time were a bunch of brigands and thieves.

I still think Mohammed was alright by the standards of the day. The standard being the behaviour expected from a brigand chief, not the standard expected from a prophet of G_D.

How the heck do muslims fall for it? It is so apparent.
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algebra, It is your lack of real knowledge (mathematics) that is preventing you to understand these things. You have not given any formula for the distribution of the spoils of war. Perhaps you had some different plans of multiplication and division.

You called the muslims are a bunch of thieves. That shows your ignorance, more ignorance. If you had believed in some holy book then I would have replied you more properly. But you are a non-believer.

Therefore it is not good for you to pass any judgement on any one in their religious matters please.
 
ralphinal said:
So, he had no issue taking her for a wife?

See, I have an issue with that. I would not marry the ex of a co-worker, family member, or friend. It is not acceptable to me.

And I was not saying that Muhammed was a Gold-digger, but I think you knew that.

Would the wife of Muhammed not have prestege? Power? Did he live in a shack and have nothing of his own at that time in his life?

Why was she not happy that Zaid was not a slave anymore?
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I have just gone through the Hadith posted by inJESUS in the earlier page about Mohammad’s love affair with his son’s wife Zaynab and the other about Mohammad’s rights. Wow, you can make a movie out of them and it will be a hit which would even make Dallas or Dynasty rather mild in comparison.

One thing I can say for Mohammad, if at all the Hadith is true, is that he was quite a guy - where many men would like to be in his shoes. It seems he would just practically need to snap his fingers to have a woman. Oh, what a guy!

I noted that he died after being poisoned (by a woman). With all the intrigues and the wives grabbing, it should not be any real surprise. Someone said it was poetic justice that a woman should done him in.

Seriously, one does not have to be a genius to see what was going on. It does not matter that Mohammad did not marry Zaynab in the first place. He might or might not have the intention or desire for her but the way people see thing can change with time and situation. Obviously he HAD a desire for this woman. Looking at how absolute was his authority with the clan and how lowly was this Zaid vis-a-vis to him, there is no way that Zaid would not succumb to his wishes even if it was only implied. And so that how it went, Mohammad got his prize! At one stage Mohammad just say the word yes and someone got assassinated for ridiculing him in a poem.

But goodness, we are talking about someone who was supposed to be a prophet; someone who should take the high moral ground because God is perfect and He wants us to be perfect. Sure Mohammad was mere human and therefore capable of falling, but even if he did, a true prophet would recognize his sin and his next course of action should be of deep repentance.

Not for Mohammad - a reason that makes it really hard for me to be convinced that this man was a man of God. Maybe I need more convincing or maybe there is other information about Mohammad that mitigated his already soiled standing in my mind for me to be convinced that this was the right person - the messenger of God. But not until then or not at all.

I am sure intelligent Muslims recognized Mohammad’s liabilities as a prophet which are quite tough to defend. If the character of their prophet is being questioned and rightly so, shouldn’t that in a small way leads to defensiveness and ultimately, inferiority complex, as the title of this thread suggests?
 
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