Muslim Ordinariate! :)

[nablaise]

Well, Islam means submission.
If the term ‘submission’ is baptized, a holy understanding of submission could lead to some sort of Muslim Ordinariate: submission as a son, not as a slave. How?
I just read an article about converting from Islam to Christianity. One thing I noticed was how it is easy when we have actually conversion to Christianity not to Western culture. Also considering that Europe itself was not exactly converted one individual at a time, but often conversions started with a king converting and then converting his kingdom’s laws making conversion easier for mass of people. I don’t see how this could not happen in some Muslim country when conditions are right: some leader converting with his laws and opening a way to some demands of a ‘Muslim Ordinariate’.

It is all about understanding true Christianity as different from western culture and also realizing that Muslims are really living in the OT (Old Testament-modified Deuteronomy to be precise) mindset. To realize that Jesus is not just a Prophet but God it a growth to the new and everlasting Covenant.
Once it is clearly understood that you can’t have father without a son, and vice versa, and that the two are really one and holy, then, ‘Christians are really right, it is one God! There is no deception’.
And again when this is clearly understood, the divinity of Christ is not hard to realize.
Of course it will have to be admitted that Mohamed was wrong at different degrees. After all, he never claimed to be perfect/God. Only God is perfect.
But women can keep their head covering, robes can be kept, and any other great aspect of the Muslim ‘patrimony’. So the Church provides a structure to gather these new Christian.

Here a quote from the article:

The struggles of Protestant missions in the Islamic world have led, today, to a trend to contextualize the evangelism of Muslims. The roots of this trend are in the philosophy of mission developed in part by Parshall. “The gospel of Jesus Christ,” Parshall writes in his book Muslim Evangelism (2003), “must be attractively presented into the context of any given group of people. This is a process that involves great sensitivity.” Turning to Jesus, he argues, need not involve turning away from culture, community, and family. He cites as a positive example the British missionary William Carey, who established numerous churches among Hindus in early-nineteenth-century India. Carey used typically Hindu vocabulary to express Christian doctrine and encouraged converts to keep their Hindu dress and diet.

Similarly, some evangelical missionaries today design churches that look like mosques—churches where worshippers remove their shoes when entering and where the Bible is displayed on a type of stand typically used for the Qur’an. New believers in such churches may keep their Islamic ( halal) diet, wear traditional Islamic dress, and fast during Ramadan. Some missionaries even encourage new believers to continue to call themselves Muslims and to perform traditional Islamic prayers. In other words, this sort of contextualization involves more than writing praise music in a local style. Instead, it invites comparison with messianic Judaism, whereby Jewish believers in Jesus continue to follow Jewish practices, such as worship on Saturday. Indeed, some Muslim converts choose to call themselves “Messianic Muslims.”

In recent missiological literature the contextualization of the evangelism of Muslims is described with a scale—originally developed by John Travis, a missionary working among Muslims in Asia—that ranges from C1 to C6. The C stands for “Christ-centered community.” C1 believers follow Western religious and cultural practices while calling themselves Christians and identifying with the global Church. C6 believers are (in Travis’ words) “small Christ-centered communities of secret/underground believers” perceived as Muslims by Muslims. They continue to follow Islamic practices and avoid any ties with the global Church.

I think these the Muslim Ordinariate would be C3!

What do you think?

 

[Warrenton]

It is a great idea!

 

[Jehoshua]

In regards to the article quote itself;

that might be all well and good for protestants, but for Catholic,s we have a sacramental religion, it has ritual requirments that must be fulfilled in the worship of the Church according to the required liturgy.

Now of course there can be some degree of inculturation of the religion, robes can be worn, the diet can be the same if they so wish, architecture can be inculturates (as long as the cross is there) even the daily prayers may continue if they are changed to become acccording to christian norms (or they could just pray the liturgy of the hours ).Also they need not convert to a western form. Christianity is not western society, they could hypothetically easily convert to an Eastern Catholic Church tradition…

But becoming some sort of "messianic muslim’ would not be acceptable one would think in the Catholic Church. You are either a fully catholic Christian or your not. You simply can;t have it both ways.
If anyone can give a justification of how such a thing may be possible im willing ot hear it. But I am resolute at this moment that it is impossible within the Catholic Church for such a ‘muslim ordinariate’ on the lines of the article to come into being legitimately in the Church.

 

[nablaise]

Most of those arrangement were made by protestants and protestants themselves have a watered down Christian faith to various degree. For the Catholic Faith, integrity of faith must be maintained. I don’t think a ‘muslim ordinariate’ is possible today. But when it happens, I am sure there are expert on Islam in the Church who would find a way to define what comes in and what does not comes in.

 

[thedarknight]

Thank you for sharing!

Very interesting article.

Most of those arrangement were made by protestants and protestants themselves have a watered down Christian faith to various degree. For the Catholic Faith, integrity of faith must be maintained. I don’t think a ‘muslim ordinariate’ is possible today.** But when it happens, I am sure there are expert on Islam in the Church who would find a way to define what comes in and what does not comes in. ** [emphasis mine]

The expert on Islam in the Catholic Church is Father Samir Khalil Samir, a Jesuit priest. I encourage all of you to look him up. He writes frequently on Islam and articles are found here:
asianews.it/index.php?l=en&size=A