Muslim Responses to Unpleasant Islamic Facts

[Booklover]

That’s called “spin.” You take a little bit of truth here, a little bit there, and insert your opinion. Even though your opinion is contradicted by the truth, people think it’s actually given more credibility because of it. How easily they are misled.

I’m not the dishonest one.

You were misled they day you accepted Islam! And you’re still dodging about the issue of lying in Islam.

Vickie

 

[Sister_Amy]

You were misled they day you accepted Islam! And you’re still dodging about the issue of lying in Islam.

Vickie

Your behavior in this thread is morally ugly.

I’m not dodging anything. The issue is closed, has been sufficiently refuted. That you cling to it still is kind of embarassing for you.

 

[Booklover]

Your behavior in this thread is morally ugly.

I’m not dodging anything. The issue is closed, has been sufficiently refuted. That you cling to it still is kind of embarassing for you.

Where have you refuted that Islam does not allow lying? We’ve provided evidence and you ignore it.

Vickie

 

[rpp]

Your behavior in this thread is morally ugly.

I’m not dodging anything. The issue is closed, has been sufficiently refuted. That you cling to it still is kind of embarassing for you.

The only moral ugliness that I have seen is you accusing people without any proof, such as links to posts, etc. For example the first sentence of your post.

It seems very clear that you have not answered any questions directly. You have, in fact been a model of exactly what the OP said.

You say this issue is closed only because you do not seem able to respond.
To others, it may be closed too, but only because you prove the OP’s point.

 

[Booklover]

The only moral ugliness that I have seen is you accusing people without any proof, such as links to posts, etc. It seems very clear that you have not answered any questions directly. You have, in fact been a model of exactly what the OP said.

You say this issue is closed only because you do not seem able to respond.
To others, it may be closed too, but only because you prove the OP’s point.

Vickie

 

[ZuzuBailey]

Your behavior in this thread is morally ugly.

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You are right. She/He is very harsh on Islam (look at his past posts) ; however with our media display in this country no wonder why:shrug: .

 

[Sister_Amy]

The only moral ugliness that I have seen is you accusing people without any proof, such as links to posts, etc. For example the first sentence of your post.

The first line of my post, saying her behavior was morally ugly, was in response to this line: “You were misled they day you accepted Islam!” Such will be my standard reply to her posts.

It seems very clear that you have not answered any questions directly. You have, in fact been a model of exactly what the OP said.

In fact, I have answered countless questions directly. Vickie doesn’t ask questions though, so I don’t answer her. But here is my post about lying, to which I referred:forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3372816&highlight=lies#post3372816

You say this issue is closed only because you do not seem able to respond. To others, it may be closed too, but only because you prove the OP’s point.

I don’t mind if I prove the point, it’s not bad. But I have responded. And I feel like I say the same things over and over and over which is why it’s kind of tiring. The issue if taqiyyah is one which I have answered, and of all people even AgnosTheist defended me. You can read it if you want.

 

[rpp]

In fact, I have answered countless questions directly. Vickie doesn’t ask questions though, so I don’t answer her. But here is my post about lying, to which I referred:forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3372816&highlight=lies#post3372816

This is a link to your own post. I have not seen anyone call you a liar. You seem to be the only one accusing yourself of this.

Furthermore, the link you provided did not even have a post by Booklover. I see no proof that she, or anyone else, called you a liar. I have, however seen you make many nasty accusations.

Again, you appear to dodge answers by claiming you have answered them. In reviewing of this thread before I responded, I cannot see where you have made a substantive and direct response to the most important questions. So if two people do not think you are responding, then perhaps your responses are not clear enough to understand. Maybe you are too smart for us.

Or perhaps withdrawing the presumed credibility of your statements on our part would be the more reasonable course of action.

 

[rpp]

I am betting Christians also have such responses to such “unpleasant” things in Christianity.

Or did everyone forget the things** we** have done in the name of reigion?

Apparently we have forgotten. Could you be more specific?

You are right. She/He is very harsh on Islam (look at his past posts) ; however with our media display in this country no wonder why:shrug: .

Still waiting on a response to the unsupported assertions you made.

 

[Sister_Amy]

This is a link to your own post. I have not seen anyone call you a liar. You seem to be the only one accusing yourself of this.

Where have you been??

R_not accusing me: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3376551&highlight=taqiyya#post3376551
R_not accusing me: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3372999&highlight=taqiyya#post3372999
R_not accusing me again! forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3368433&highlight=taqiyya

Booklover accusing me: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3357354&highlight=taqqiya#post3357354
Booklover accusing me again: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3373747&highlight=taqqiya#post3373747
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3359977&highlight=amy+lying#post3359977

Furthermore, the link you provided did not even have a post by Booklover. I see no proof that she, or anyone else, called you a liar. I have, however seen you make many nasty accusations.

Just for you, darling.

Again, you appear to dodge answers by claiming you have answered them. In reviewing of this thread before I responded, I cannot see where you have made a substantive and direct response to the most important questions.

Is this the only thread in which I have participated? Do you want me to give you links of all my posts where I answer questions?

So if two people do not think you are responding, then perhaps your responses are not clear enough to understand. Maybe you are too smart for us.

I’ve had a number of people express appreciation for my answers.

Or perhaps withdrawing the presumed credibility of your statements on our part would be the more reasonable course of action.

You wish.

 

[rpp]

Where have you been??

R_not accusing me: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3376551&highlight=taqiyya#post3376551
R_not accusing me: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3372999&highlight=taqiyya#post3372999
R_not accusing me again! forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3368433&highlight=taqiyya

Booklover accusing me: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3357354&highlight=taqqiya#post3357354
Booklover accusing me again: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3373747&highlight=taqqiya#post3373747
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3359977&highlight=amy+lying#post3359977

I am not seeing anyone call you a liar. I did not see that word used. I did see people claim you you were engaged in the practice of concealing or disguising your beliefs, known as taqiyya, which is permitted in Islam. This would certainly be accurate because it was a long time before you admitted publicly that you were Muslim.

Seems more like you did not like the fact that people correctly identified what you were doing.

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You wish.

Actually, I wish I did not have to do this. However, your responses lead me to no other conclusion than that you are not a credible source of information. You have, in my mind, lost all credibility.

As such, I am leaving this thread. Though I may come back later if someone who is credible begins to make some reasonable posts.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I am not seeing anyone call you a liar. I did not see that word used. I did see people claim you you were engaged in the practice of concealing or disguising your beliefs, known as taqiyya, which is permitted in Islam. This would certainly be accurate because it was a long time before you admitted publicly that you were Muslim.

Seems more like you did not like the fact that people correctly identified what you were doing.

I do not practice anything called “taqiyya” or “takeyya” or “taqqiya” or “takkeya” or whatever you want to call it. What it means is LYING. It means LYING. It means LYING. Therefore if people accuse me of it, they accuse me of LYING. It’s that simple.

I have not ever tried to CONCEAL or DISGUISE my beliefs. I didn’t set my profile religion, neither did I set anything else in it. Once you (I think it was you) brought it to my attention, I changed it. So what? I think it was pretty obvious to most posters after reading my posts that I was Muslim, and I have never denied it. I’ve only been here like 2 weeks–have I been here that long? So saying it was a “long time before I admitted I was Muslim” is deception on your part. Maybe I should call it tackya.

A Muslim is not allowed to lie about Islam or about what Muslims believe. To save his life by denouncing Islam? Sure. But not to lie about Islam–and I haven’t, not once. So why don’t you do the legwork for once and try to prove otherwise. Because for now, I’m the one with the proof.

 

[tomshaikh]

3. Say that the problem is that Muslims today are not practicing the “Original Islam” of Mohammed and the glorious era of the ‘Four Righteous Caliphs’ that followed him (Do not mention the hate and violence that Mohammad preached and practiced and do not mention that 3 out of the 4 so-called Righteous Caliphs were murdered by Muslims in a fifty year orgy of conquest, greed, violence and rivalry that ended at battle of Kerbala - called the Ashura ─ with Muslims fighting Muslims and the heads of Mohammad’s grandson and even infant great-grandson and 70 others being carried in bags as trophies by the victorious Muslim army). Tell them that Islam is really peaceful!

Vickie

Hi There, Those were not the Muslims who killed our Beloved Prophet Grandson (IMAM HUSSAIN) and his family members on Karbala,Iraq.

 

[R_not]

I am betting Christians also have such responses to such “unpleasant” things in Christianity.

Or did everyone forget the things** we** have done in the name of reigion?

We bashed all the time. I don’t recall us rioting in the streets, issuing fatwas (death threats), etc. If you are talking about the past - then I guess you haven’t noticed that those things done in the name of religion are in the past.

And as for individuals that do things now - our laws don’t excuse such actions but we hunt them down, give them a trial and mete out justice, if necessary. sharia law does not if it is against the infidels, or as we have seen even if muslims get in the way as their collateral damage.

And women don’t count at all in muslim societies. They require 4 witnesses to a rape or else they are stoned or hanged. They can be beaten, tortured (have acid thrown at them, set on fire, carved up, tortured, etc), and/or killed and all the muslim male has to say is that it was an ‘honor killing’.

Take more notice of the differences and don’t blindly accept their excuses and such for their behavior.

 

[Sister_Amy]

And women don’t count at all in muslim societies. They require 4 witnesses to a rape or else they are stoned or hanged.

This is not true. Four witnesses are required for proof of adultery, not rape. In cases of rape, her testimony alone is enough, and she is not punished for it, according to Islamic law.

 

[R_not]

Your behavior in this thread is morally ugly.

I’m not dodging anything. The issue is closed, has been sufficiently refuted. That you cling to it still is kind of embarassing for you.

I agree with Vickie. If you knew what your ‘prophet’ was all about - the enslavement of women and passing them around as booty along with their captured children - and allowing them to be raped, beatened, stoned, etc just because mohammed felt they were 1/2 a man with 1/2 the rights of a man - then I don’t know how you could accept such a guy.

And along with the above, mohammed took these slave’s husbands, brothers, fathers, and sons (if they had hair) and beheaded them.

This is what your ‘prophet’ is all about.

Christ stopped a stoning while mohammed not only did it, but ok’d it.

The issue is not closed. It has not been refuted. You are in denial that is all.

I have also, on another thread, told you what allah is - mohammed’s pagan god. mohammed’s father who died when he was very young, was named after this god (to show you that his father was a pagan who worshiped this pagan moon god also) and his name was Abdallah. mohammed kept allah, the main god of his pagan religion. Allah, or al-ilah, was the major god, a moon god. He almost threw in three goddesses, but decided after some of his companions told him that it would be better not to he discarded them.

al-ilah was a statue on top of the kabaa that I suppose that mohammed took down and destroyed. All the rites and ceremonies are from mohammed’s pagan religion - the kabaa, the running around, spitting, snorting, throwing stones, etc.

You are afraid that your allah will put you in hades - I bet that is a very scary idea. But, how can a moon do such a thing? It is a lump of rock out there orbiting our earth. I suppose it could break apart and fall down and hit you on the head, but the chances of that happening is pretty slim.

 

[reteeks21]

This is not true. Four witnesses are required for proof of adultery, not rape. In cases of rape, her testimony alone is enough, and she is not punished for it, according to Islamic law.

Do what? Have you paid any attention to Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Afghanistan lately? They seem to REALLY adore and cherish their women. And they get their actions directly from Islamic law.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Christ stopped a stoning while mohammed not only did it, but ok’d it.

God allowed it again since Christians ignored Jesus and decided to become sword-rattling Crusaders. Christians just have sour grapes because they know they are still not allowed to use violence but want to.

I have also, on another thread, told you what allah is - mohammed’s pagan god.

That’s also all false.


Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilah, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced back to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter being an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh.

 

[reteeks21]

God allowed it again since Christians ignored Jesus and decided to become sword-rattling Crusaders. Christians just have sour grapes because they know they are still not allowed to use violence but want to.

That’s also all false.


Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilah, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced back to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter being an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh.

They went on a Crusade due to the begging for help from Constantinople who was being attacked, mercilessly, by Muslims bent on the conquest of Europe. You can blame Christians all you want, but Muslims held an empire larger than what any Christian empire ever held. Mohammed promoted murder and violence, and his followers fell right into line.

The Christians also went to war because of the brutal and uncalled for actions of Muslims in the Holy Land. Christians had been there long before the Muslims showed up and conquered it. Now, many of the Christians were not pure, that is a fact. But those wars were called due to Muslim aggression.

And Christians do not like violence in the name of God. When was the last time Christians sponsored such actions? It’s been hundreds of years, but the Muslims still do it today. Get your facts straight, please.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

They went on a Crusade due to the begging for help from Constantinople who was being attacked, mercilessly, by Muslims bent on the conquest of Europe. You can blame Christians all you want, but Muslims held an empire larger than what any Christian empire ever held. Mohammed promoted murder and violence, and his followers fell right into line.

The Christians also went to war because of the brutal and uncalled for actions of Muslims in the Holy Land. Christians had been there long before the Muslims showed up and conquered it. Now, many of the Christians were not pure, that is a fact. But those wars were called due to Muslim aggression.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

And Christians do not like violence in the name of God. When was the last time Christians sponsored such actions? It’s been hundreds of years, but the Muslims still do it today. Get your facts straight, please.

God commanded invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.