Muslim Responses to Unpleasant Islamic Facts

[AgnosTheist]

They were already game for slaughter just for preaching Jesus so that doesn’t really wash.

not really. at least not during stephen.

And Constantine was already jihading under a cross (angel?) of light 400 years before Islam came along.

constantine is one thing, the apostles are another. if the apostles themselves resorted to violence, its as if jesus himself wielded the sword. such an example would persist throughout the life of christianity.

but plain mortals like constantine…easily dismissed as rogue christians…

 

[FaithofAbraham]

not really. at least not during stephen.

What does that mean. Why would they be any safer than Stephen if they all confessed Jesus?

constantine is one thing, the apostles are another. if the apostles themselves resorted to violence, its as if jesus himself wielded the sword. such an example would persist throughout the life of christianity.

but plain mortals like constantine…easily dismissed as rogue christians.

Of course, the no true Christian argument. I thought your position was that violence was ok for Christians later on once they had grown. Now you are saying he was a rogue. Which is it, is violence ok or not for Christians?

 

[Sister_Amy]

reteeks21, do you even know what an imam is?

 

[reteeks21]

reteeks21, do you even know what an imam is?

Yes, I do. I am a history teacher, and I graduated from college with a degree in ministry, so please don’t assume a level of ignorance on my part.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Yes, I do. I am a history teacher, and I graduated from college with a degree in ministry, so please don’t assume a level of ignorance on my part.

Then why don’t you share with the rest of the class, the definition of ‘imam’?

 

[AgnosTheist]

What does that mean. Why would they be any safer than Stephen if they all confessed Jesus?

Lets scrap all this. I am rethinking…i dont think stephens refusal to fight was to protect his fellow believers. i think…that stephen did not fight for the simple reason that he was unarmed at that time and did not expect a fight. when the first stone knocked his head, thats where he got his vision from heaven and just gave up. and the rest of the christians saw it as “COOL!” and that was the beginning of the trend called “religious martyrdom”. eh?

Of course, the no true Christian argument. I thought your position was that violence was ok for Christians later on once they had grown. Now you are saying he was a rogue. Which is it, is violence ok or not for Christians?

Im just saying what they are saying. And i never said that violence was ok, i simply stated what happened.

 

[tomshaikh]

Dear Viewer,

No bodies fault, neither Muslims nor Christians. Because its a saying that “You can’t clap with one hand, You need both hands to clap”. Hope my fellow christians understand my point. Oh by mentioning hand i want to brought all of you one thing which i noticed is while looking at my right hand by stoping traffic hand position you will noticed that it looks like Allah written in Arabic letters from pinky finger to thumb finger.Please tell me if you notice too.

 

[AgnosTheist]

i noticed is while looking at my right hand by stoping traffic hand position you will noticed that it looks like Allah written in Arabic letters from pinky finger to thumb finger.Please tell me if you notice too.

huh?

 

[reteeks21]

Then why don’t you share with the rest of the class, the definition of ‘imam’?

I have, thanks. In fact, we took a test on the Middle East and Islamic culture today.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I have, thanks. In fact, we took a test on the Middle East and Islamic culture today.

That’s nice. But I meant with the rest of the forum… i.e., could you tell me the definition of ‘imam?’

 

[R_not]

That’s nice. But I meant with the rest of the forum… i.e., could you tell me the definition of ‘imam?’

Why don’t you define it for us since you are a muslim?

I look at them as being ‘officers’ that push jihad. Jihad being the prime thing that muslims do to us infidels with the violent kind as being the most blessed.

And yeah, they lead the prayers and such - and you guys go to them for your daily brainwashing since you are unable to question your own ‘religion’.

Oh, I might be on ignore for the muslim, sister mary. If so - good. It is best you all hear what imams really do.

There might be some peaceful ones out there but right now saudi arabia is pushing their wahabbi trained imams into our Western countries. So, they will deny it - but just be aware.

 

[R_not]

When did Jesus say Christians are allowed to take a break from standing up for him so they can be free to pursue violence? Is there a certain time of day you can do this, like a smoke break?

We are going to protect ourselves, ok. And that is that. We are not the ones going into countries (eg: Africa, Europe, etc) and slaughtering peoples - muslims are. But, the big difference is that islam sanctions it and anyone who dies in islam killing infidels - is considered a martyr.

93% of references to do with jihad in the Koran, Hadiths and Sira, have to do with waging holy war, while only 3% - of the ones often promoted by moderates - deal with inner peace.

This article shows us what islam is all about and I like this article because it shows us that muslim females are as guilty as the males.

online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120450617910806563.html

Basically, what we see is an attempt to put their violence back on us. According to them we should not do anything but lay down and let the muslim hordes torture, enslave, rape, steal, and kill us.

This is why islam is not going to change. They don’t look at their own selves, ‘religion’, as being anything bad - but will start squirming and take the well researched verses out of the Bible and throw them back at us.

I am sure that they have been all given either a book, a website, or reference papers (or a combination of all three) to use in their arguments.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

We are going to protect ourselves, ok. And that is that.

So you just blow off what Jesus says.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Poor Jesus.

 

[R_not]

So you just blow off what Jesus says.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Poor Jesus.

Too bad you don’t take the quotes and read them yourself and ponder on them instead of throwing them out to use as justification for your violence.

You would just be happy if we just laid down and let the muslim hordes kill us. I find your using Jesus’ name very disgusting in that context.

 

[reteeks21]

Too bad you don’t take the quotes and read them yourself and ponder on them instead of throwing them out to use as justification for your violence.

You would just be happy if we just laid down and let the muslim hordes kill us. I find your using Jesus’ name very disgusting in that context.

Absolutely. It might be different if the person throwing them out actually knew Christ. It is a shame when non-Christians think they understand the teachings of Christ better than those who have actually set read the Scripture and studied it with others who have a great grasp on their meanings and intentions.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Too bad you don’t take the quotes and read them yourself and ponder on them instead of throwing them out to use as justification for your violence.

You would just be happy if we just laid down and let the muslim hordes kill us. I find your using Jesus’ name very disgusting in that context.

I have no violence, I just said in the other thread I’m not Muslim. Jesus wants you to be martyred no matter who is doing it. He wants you to be harmless as doves, not act like bloodthirsty Crusaders. Your power is in his words, not in your swords.

But Christians try to argue with Jesus and say what he says doesn’t matter, many of you do what you want anyway according to your own carnal desires for worldly power.

So that’s why you have all this trouble now, you disobey Jesus.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Afraid of Wahhabis. That’s so funny.

I can be an imam. Or technically imamah because I’m a woman. I can lead the prayers! One meaning of imam.

But the person said imams were killing people… and I’m speculating that this is not the case at all, or wondering why they are called imams. Typically when people attack Islam they like to throw out words like “jihad” and “imam” so they sound like they know what they’re talking about… and yet they don’t.