Muslim who needs answers???

[sedonaman]

Otherwise I was right in saying that Kaisar was very much there at the time of Jesus.
He was collecting some tax fromt he Jews too.
…
I would ask sedonaman again about the Kaisar of Rome. And I ask about the tax that Jews were paying. Why they were paying that tax?

I already said that the Pharisees were referring to the Roman Emperor who was Augustus Caesar at the time of Jesus. So what?

Your reference to this incident in the Bible is an attempt to claim that Jesus approves of the jizya, and a lame attempt at that. The jizya is not like the tax the Romans levied. From the standpoint of the conquered, its similarity to the Roman tax is only that it was payment demanded and collected by a conquering force. That’s where the similarity ends. Calling the jizya a tax is a polite term for the criminal extortion it was because it was demanded from only dhimmis and not Muslims as well. It was a price dhimmis paid for Muslim permission to go on living. The Roman tax was applied to everyone, including rich Roman citizens, in all their conquered lands which included people of widely varying religions. No one could avoid the Roman tax by converting to Roman polytheism, but dhimmis could avoid the jizya by converting to Islam.

 

[sedonaman]

I’m sorry but I really have to say this. There are those out there who have a preconceived idea of what Islam is about because of the attack in the US of the twin towers, and other situations like that.

I’m sorry but I really have to say this. There are those out there who are ignorant of what Islam is about because they want the world to be a warm puppy and that it will actually be one if only they believe that it is.

Our idea is not “preconceived” because it is based on the 1,400 year history of Islamic aggressive warfare, not a few present-day terrorist events. Didn’t you read my post #116]?

These acts were committed by a few extremist and have less to do with Islam than it has to do with power and politics.

That’s what Islam is all about: power and politics. Islam specifies down to the minutest detail how people are to live and how the government is to be run. In short, it runs the whole society. To say that an Islamic practice is cultural and not religious would be false because Islamic religion and culture are the same. There is no separation of church and state as we know it under Islam. How would you characterize a government that oppresses women because it knows if women are treated equally, they would civilize the society, spelling the end of Islam? Aren’t these about power and politics?

Islam, in and of itself, does not promote violence and the sooner people realize that, the better we will all be.

Islam, in and of itself, does promote violence, and the sooner people realize that, the better we will all be because by being honest with ourselves, we can identify the source of the problem and deal with it instead of hiding our heads in the sand and pretending that “we can all just get along”. To wit: “In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence. There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages.” – Cardinal George Pell of Sydney, Australia.

It is not the Christian way to compartmentalize an entire group because of a few, and it is definitely NOT the Catholic way

You have switched the topic from criticism of Islam to accusing us of criticism of Muslims. We have tried to avoid criticism of Muslims because we are aware that Islam is probably all they’ve known all their lives. And the Catholic Church has never hesitated to condemn heresies.

We have to try to understand our differences and work with them.

We have actually tried this many times in the past, but it has never worked. Why? Because Islam says it has a command from Allah to rule the world, that unbelievers are less than Muslims, and unbelievers were created to serve Allah’s people. That’s why Islam does not compromise; it must dominate. As a non-believer, how would you work with a system that teaches that you are not as good as a Muslim?

We also have to grasp and cherish the things we have in common.

Like what? The teachings [using the word loosely] of Islam are diametrically opposed to Jesus’ teachings.

Criticizing another’s faith does not help, especially if there is a slanted veiw of that faith.

“Slanted”? The only thing “slanted” is your view that is a result of ignoring 1,400 years of dogmatically mandated aggressive warfare by Muslims [again, see pre-Crusade list in post #116]. While one might correctly say that Christians have engaged in aggressive warfare also, saying so is 1) no justification for others to do likewise, and 2) Christians did so against Christ’s principles, while Muslims were following Mohammed’s “perfect” example.

Of course, jihad did not stop with the end of the Crusades; it has gone on ever since, down through modern times. Muslims have told us themselves that it is their right and duty to wage warfare against “infidels” until the whole world is under Islamic rule. Why don’t you listen to what they say?

If one cannot set aside their prejudice, then perhaps a thread trying to answer the questions of Muslims is not the place for you.

This pre-supposes that those of us here who are critical of Islam are “prejudiced”. Christianity is criticized all the time, and almost all of it is based on bigotry; but no one calls its critics “prejudiced” or bigots. I submit you are the prejudiced one because you have willfully ignored the historical record; you have denied truth because it conflicts with your ideology.

This all started because someone wanted to find out more information about how other people believe and practice this belief …

How do you know that is their reason? Because they told you? You are forgetting that Muslims may deceive un-believers if it advances Islam. From their perspective, lying is like bluffing in poker is to us.

You need to do some reading on the true nature of Islam.
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[puppypatrol]

I’m sorry but I really have to say this. There are those out there who are ignorant of what Islam is about because they want the world to be a **warm puppy **and that it will actually be one if only they believe that it is.

I’m sure you found this cute. I did not. If you want to be concerned about something, how about worring about things going on right here in this country. Do you defend the Catholic Church with as much enthusiasm as you speak out against Islam?

You need to do some reading on the true nature of Islam.
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None of which even attempted to sound unbiased, some of which could have been written by KKK, David Duke, or others as such. Front Page appears to be somewhat anti-Arab and Pro-Isreal period. (no negotiations) I am also not taking everything they say as fact. When learning about different issues, I NEVER rely on one source or type of source. I have also spoken with American Muslims at length about what Islam teaches. Even they will admit that the Culture, not the teaching, in the middle east can be or at least seem extreme. Just as with everyone else, what people are taught is not necessarily how they act so, in turn, you cannot just religious teaching by the acts of a few.
And these magazines also published the following:

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Thanks for the reading material but I will continue to take each person at face value until they prove themselves unworthy of that chance. You can look at issues as you wish, I prefer to look at the big picture.

 

[R_not]

I’m sure you found this cute. I did not. If you want to be concerned about something, how about worring about things going on right here in this country. Do you defend the Catholic Church with as much enthusiasm as you speak out against Islam?

None of which even attempted to sound unbiased, some of which could have been written by KKK, David Duke, or others as such. Front Page appears to be somewhat anti-Arab and Pro-Isreal period. (no negotiations) I am also not taking everything they say as fact. When learning about different issues, I NEVER rely on one source or type of source. I have also spoken with American Muslims at length about what Islam teaches. Even they will admit that the Culture, not the teaching, in the middle east can be or at least seem extreme. Just as with everyone else, what people are taught is not necessarily how they act so, in turn, you cannot just religious teaching by the acts of a few.
And these magazines also published the following:

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Thanks for the reading material but I will continue to take each person at face value until they prove themselves unworthy of that chance. You can look at issues as you wish, I prefer to look at the big picture.

And when someone doesn’t have anything else they start name calling.

You take the situation in Israel and Gaza at face value? Then why are you ignoring the muslims who lob bombs into Israel on a daily basis? Or the fact that the palestinians celebrate when their children blow themselves up killing Jews? Or the fact that they start training their children to hate Jews (and the West) starting in kindergarten, dress them up as suicide bombers?

Sorry, but talking to muslims about what islam is is not the same as READING for yourself. They don’t want you to read it because it is very troubling.

from Measuring mohammed and Dhimmitude:

THE SIRA: The totality of Islam is belief in the perfect truth of the Koran and following the Sunna of Mohammed. The Sunna is the actions and words of the perfect pattern of life, Mohammed. The Sunna is contained in the Sira and the Hadith (the Traditions of Mohammed). The Sira is half of the defining, foundational texts that determine the Sunna. The other half of the Sunna is the Hadith. The Islamic “Bible” is the Koran, the Sira and the Hadith.

The Sira is the life of Mohammed. There are three versions of the Sira given by three authors–Ibn Ishaq, al-Tabari, and Ibn Sa’d. They tell the same story, except for small details. Ishaq’s Sira is the oldest and the most authoritative.

Ishaq’s Sira is a large book that starts with a history of Arabia before Mohammed. The overwhelmingly important part of the book is the story of Mohammed as the prophet of Allah. He becomes a prophet on page 106, so that is where the story really begins. There are a 110 pages of notes at the end. The remaining 621 pages of text are about Mohammed as a prophet.

When you read the Sira, you find that violence fills its pages. The first form of violence is verbal. After Mohammed’s first revelation, it only takes 12 pages until there is a fight and a Muslim bloodies a kafir. From that point on, Mohammed argues, threatens, curses, preaches, and condemns. So 98% of the text of Mohammed’s prophecy contains verbal violence against the kafirs (unbelievers).

Jihad starts 281 pages into his prophet-hood and it never stops for the next 409 pages. So 72% of the Sira’s report of his prophecy involves some form of jihad. Of course, the verbal abuse runs right along with the killing, torture, rape, theft, deceit and assassinations.

The Sira is not only a biography, but also a sacred text that contains the model for the perfect Islamic life. Again and again the Koran directs every Muslim to imitate Mohammed’s every word and deed. The Sira contains Islam’s grand political strategy.

There was peace for 2% of the Sira. That means that 98% of the Sira is devoted to ill will or with some form of argument, insults and curses against the kafirs. Put another way, 98% of the Sira is devoted to the suffering of the kafirs.

MOHAMMED, THE FILM: If the Sira were a 2-hour movie of Mohammed as a prophet, it would go like this:

Mohammed has his first revelation in the first scene. The first fight starts 2 minutes into the movie. After that it is plotting, shouting, arguing, threatening and preaching. Even when the scene is in Mohammed’s camp, the backdrop is always the struggle with the kafirs. Then 34 minutes into the film, the first killing happens and killing continues for the next 1 ½ hours. Armed raids, assassinations, plots, spies, executions, torture, rape, battles, and on and on. Kafirs (non-Muslims) die and lose. Mohammed dies. Islam triumphs. End of film.

DO THE MATH: The Sira defines Mohammed. The Sira IS Mohammed. Mohammed is Islam. Sira = kafir hatred = Mohammed = Islam. Therefore, Islam = kafir hatred.

 

[sedonaman]

None of which even attempted to sound unbiased, some of which could have been written by KKK, David Duke, or others as such.

Talk about prejudice!

Front Page appears to be somewhat anti-Arab and Pro-Isreal period. (no negotiations) I am also not taking everything they say as fact.

I don’t see what this has to do with judging Islamic teaching. The articles I cited deal with Islam, not the ME conflict.

When learning about different issues, I NEVER rely on one source or type of source.

Well, I guess you got me there. The four sources I cited, including Cardinal Pell, all rely on the Koran, Sira, and Hadith, texts that Muslims themselves wrote.

I have also spoken with American Muslims at length about what Islam teaches. Even they will admit that the Culture, not the teaching, in the middle east can be or at least seem extreme.

I maintain that Islamic culture comes from Mohammed’s teaching. I would not rely on what any Muslim told me personally because they are most likely – guess what – biased! Don’t you think what Islam teaches about women is [not “seems”] extreme? And that is not a small part.

Just as with everyone else, what people are taught is not necessarily how they act so, in turn, you cannot just religious teaching by the acts of a few.

By saying “a few,” you are still focusing on 9/11. I have clearly stated that Islamic terror has a 1,400 year history that involved whole Muslim armies sweeping across continents. BTW, there have been 12, 532 terrorist attacks since 9/11. Are these your idea of “a few”?

I will continue to take each person at face value until they prove themselves unworthy of that chance. You can look at issues as you wish, I prefer to look at the big picture.

You are still trying to make this a personal judgment issue when I am judging the teachings. If you want to look at the “big picture,” why do you focus on what one individual here and another individual there tell you? Why don’t you look at the whole history of Islam and what its texts say?

 

[puppypatrol]

You complain about that Muslims teach their kids to hate Jews, Americans, etc… What about Americans teaching their children that Blacks were nothing but trash, the Irish were scum of the earth, and that all hispanics and people of Spanish decent are drug dealers and thieves. What’s the difference. Oh, and what about what is said about the Catholic Church during the Inquisition, Bloody Mary, the settling of South America/Mexico/western North America…

Besides, which Muslims are you talking about: Shi’ite, Sunni, Kharijites, Wahhabi, ‘Alawites?

We are not going to agree and you will not change my mind to your way of looking at this particular issue. Enough said…

 

[R_not]

You complain about that Muslims teach their kids to hate Jews, Americans, etc… What about Americans teaching their children that Blacks were nothing but trash, the Irish were scum of the earth, and that all hispanics and people of Spanish decent are drug dealers and thieves. What’s the difference. Oh, and what about what is said about the Catholic Church during the Inquisition, Bloody Mary, the settling of South America/Mexico/western North America…

Besides, which Muslims are you talking about: Shi’ite, Sunni, Kharijites, Wahhabi, ‘Alawites?

We are not going to agree and you will not change my mind to your way of looking at this particular issue. Enough said…

I think you need to ‘come clean’. YOu are not a Catholic, but instead a muslim parading as a Catholic.

I am in my 50s and my parents never taught me to hate blacks. We are caucasians that grew up in a mostly Mexican neighborhood in California and still have our childhood friends that are Mexicans.

I have worked with blacks, Mexicans, Asians and even a muslim. Ironic - it was the muslim who thought he deserved a promotion and when he didn’t get it he sued the place that I worked. I don’t know the outcome to that, but he was on the losing end since he didn’t get the job and a promising young black man got the job instead.

And then you bring up the usual history that happened CENTURIES ago while islamic bloodshed/jihad is still going on to this day with no end in sight.

We are talking mostly sunni and shiite with the influence by wahabbism coming from saudi arabia in the form of clerics and organizations such as Hamas, Al Qaeda, CAIR, MSA (muslim student association), their funding of mosques and madrassas in our lands. the Hezbollah are also a part of this - and what do we get from the muslims on these boards that echo what we see around this globe - their support of this ilk.

they don’t see that all they have to do is stop the bombing and they will get their wish - an end to the violence.

But something tells me you are not here to discuss, you are here to bash us by pretending to be a Christian and tell us that we should not think, or feel guilty that we support Israel. It is not a sin, nor is it against the law to support the rights of Israel to defend itself against the muslim violence that happens daily.

You say ‘we are not going to agree with you and will not change our mind on this issue’ which means that you are admitting that you are a muslim and with that are in the mindset that I have talked about quite often - there is no compromise in islam, or tolerance. This explains why peace treaties/cease fires are never honored for very long - and we see quite often not even as long as a day!

So, you are for muslims lobbing bombs into Israel, aiming for children and hating Jews.

You only show your own soul by your remarks and I hope that all of us pray for you, I will.

At least you are what we very rarely see on these threads - an honest muslim, except for the fact that you claim to be a Catholic.

 

[sedonaman]

You complain about that Muslims teach their kids to hate Jews, Americans, etc… What about Americans teaching their children that Blacks were nothing but trash, the Irish were scum of the earth, and that all hispanics and people of Spanish decent are drug dealers and thieves. What’s the difference. Oh, and what about what is said about the Catholic Church during the Inquisition, Bloody Mary, the settling of South America/Mexico/western North America…

Waitaminnint ! Wait just one cotton-pickin’ minute.
This is the same argument that Muslims make when Islam is criticized for being violent. You did not read my post where it said that Christians who do evil do so against Christ’s teachings; Muslims who do the same dastardly deeds do so in imitation of their “perfect” example: Mohammed. If you can’t see that difference, you are hopeless.

Besides, even if they were the same, it is a fallacy to justify A’s crimes by saying B did it too.

If you are anything but a Muslim, you are the perfect kafir because you have self-imposed dhimmitude.

 

[sedonaman]

But something tells me you are not here to discuss, you are here to bash us by pretending to be a Christian and tell us that we should not think, or feel guilty that we support Israel.

BINGO!

[Although I would say “…you are here to bash us by pretending to be a Christian and tell us that we should not think, or feel guilty, **PERIOD”

 

[R_not]

BINGO!

[Although I would say "…you are here to bash us by pretending to be a Christian and tell us that we should not think, or feel guilty, **PERIOD

"

It is too late for me to rewrite that sentence, but I think you have made a good edit of it!

 

[sedonaman]

And when someone doesn’t have anything else they start name calling.

This politicalislam.com/blog/refuting-counter-terrorism-dhimmitude article from the link you posted had some interesting applicable statements, like:

“After the Mumbai jihad, a friend received a letter from someone who works in counter-terrorism. The friend is an apologist for Islam. The counter-terrorism friend poses their dhimmitude (apologies) so skillfully that it is worth countering their arguments. … The argument goes on for a full page. The conclusion is that Islam is not anyone’s enemy, but radical Islam is a threat to everyone. The argument does not include a single fact taken from Islamic doctrine. Everything is based upon what some Muslims have told them. In a court of law, such “proof” is called hearsay. In short, the argument can be summarized by: ‘I know some good Muslims; hence, Islam is good.’

“‘I don’t think maligning Islam’s holy man is proper behavior’
“Since when is quoting from the Sira and Hadith maligning? Mohammed gave out the rules for rape in jihad. He owned sex slaves, told Muslims it was good to beat their wives, laughed when his enemy’s heads were thrown at his feet. It’s in the book. Such behavior goes on for page after page, year after year. Why is referring to facts maligning?

“The counter-terrorism expert believes that they [sic] hold the high ground on knowledge and morals. Their [sic] position is the highest one because they [sic] do not indulge [in] critical thinking. They accept hearsay as not just a better source of knowledge about Islam, but also the true source of knowledge. Hearsay is the only moral position. Those who argue from facts from the Islamic doctrine and history are bad people who contradict “nice” people. Facts must submit to feelings in political correctness. … Ignorance has become the high moral ground. Not just the high moral ground, but the only moral ground. Those who quote the Koran, Sira, and Hadith should be maligned, and no discussions of the fact-based philosophy should be allowed in any venue of respectability among the government, universities, or the media.”

[Emphasis added]

Notice any similarity to what took place in our discussion here?

“Political correctness was invented to deny/conceal truth.”

 

[R_not]

This politicalislam.com/blog/refuting-counter-terrorism-dhimmitude article from the link you posted had some interesting applicable statements, like:

“After the Mumbai jihad, a friend received a letter from someone who works in counter-terrorism. The friend is an apologist for Islam. The counter-terrorism friend poses their dhimmitude (apologies) so skillfully that it is worth countering their arguments. … The argument goes on for a full page. The conclusion is that Islam is not anyone’s enemy, but radical Islam is a threat to everyone. The argument does not include a single fact taken from Islamic doctrine. Everything is based upon what some Muslims have told them. In a court of law, such “proof” is called hearsay. In short, the argument can be summarized by: ‘I know some good Muslims; hence, Islam is good.’

“‘I don’t think maligning Islam’s holy man is proper behavior’
“Since when is quoting from the Sira and Hadith maligning? Mohammed gave out the rules for rape in jihad. He owned sex slaves, told Muslims it was good to beat their wives, laughed when his enemy’s heads were thrown at his feet. It’s in the book. Such behavior goes on for page after page, year after year. Why is referring to facts maligning?

“The counter-terrorism expert believes that they [sic] hold the high ground on knowledge and morals. Their [sic] position is the highest one because they [sic] do not indulge [in] critical thinking. They accept hearsay as not just a better source of knowledge about Islam, but also the true source of knowledge. Hearsay is the only moral position. Those who argue from facts from the Islamic doctrine and history are bad people who contradict “nice” people. Facts must submit to feelings in political correctness. … Ignorance has become the high moral ground. Not just the high moral ground, but the only moral ground. Those who quote the Koran, Sira, and Hadith should be maligned, and no discussions of the fact-based philosophy should be allowed in any venue of respectability among the government, universities, or the media.”

[Emphasis added]

Notice any similarity to what took place in our discussion here?

“Political correctness was invented to deny/conceal truth.”

yeah, that is the problem for the most part.

But, people on the whole I think are soooo very ignorant of islam and when we do become more knowledgeable about it we get the usual from the muslims and their apologists/appeasers - bashing, deflecting, ignoring, we don’t understand, taking it out of context, they don’t know that guy, etc. It is turning out to be a neverending barage of excuses. Convenient!

Then when all that doesn’t work, the threats come. Mr. Savage experienced that when he sued CAIR. It is common though if one looks at it closer. They sue schools, businesses, individuals, etc.

It is all called a ‘stealth jihad’. There are some books out about it and all are good. With the MSA in our schools (the muslim brotherhood backed organization) that is also troubling. But, they are infiltrating our FBI/CIA, government (House of Reps, and other local governments, etc) and even our schools have changed their history when talking about islam. TV is shameless - the History Channel, CNN, MSNBC, and others are just in full appeasement mode. so is the BBC - even though that is the UK channel.

The so called ‘peaceful’ ones are waging jihad too. don’t let them kid you. By deception they do that.

Take a look at this video, I particularly find the ‘peaceful’, little muslimette who shouted ‘go back to the ovens’ very troubling. Oh, those ‘peaceful ones’ sure find their voices don’t they!

muslims finding their voices to defend the violent ones! Oh, those same ones who tell us that are distorting islam, but can do nothing to stop them from doing so! It is in our own USA.

 

[R_not]

a couple of books,
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version

I bought the full version DVD of The Third Jihad. It has such things as this in it:

Professor Hatem Bazian, UCBerkeley
‘And it is about time that we have an intifada in this country, that change, fundamentally, the policital dynamics in here.’

(Intifada - Arabic for ‘throwing off,’ as a dog throws off fleas)

Here are some al-qaeda quotes, and notice the similarities between some on our own soil:

Omar Bakri Muhammad, Former leader Al-Muhajiroun
‘Jihad is a foreign policy to expand the islamic authority all over the world.’

Abu Jahya al-Libi, Al Qaeda leader
‘According to our belief, the whole world must be under the rule of islam without exception, even a single grain of soil.’

Yousef Khattab, supporter
-‘islam will dominate, this is what it will be.’
-‘We want to see sharia here and it will be. The flag of , “there is no god other than allah, muhammed is the messenger of god”, will be (god willing) on the White House, if thats where we choose it to be. It just takes time, the American people are waking up now.’
-‘There is no compulsion in islam, that means, we cannot force it on you, but we will force islamic (sharia), god willing.’

Abu Mujahid, spokesperson islamic Thinkers Society (ITS)
‘allah does say that the whole world will eventually be under his rule. The rule will come down to where everyone obeys the laws of god (sharia), as simple as that.’

Dr. Zakir Naik
‘In some islamic countries, eg: saudi arabia, etc propogation of other religions is prohibited. Even construction of any place of worship is also prohibited. in koran 3:85, it is mentioned that allah will never accept any religion other than islam therefore knowing that islam is the only true religion we do not allow propogation of any other religion.’

ITS (islamic Thinkers Society) June 2004
‘We are muslims and we will never stay silent against this act. Because allah, the glorified and exhalted, forbids homosexuality.’

Abu Mujahid, spokesperson ITS (in USA)
‘Sometimes we are blunt when the … ruling system is established we give them a choice we will consult them, give them choice of therapy and tell them to abandon the homosexuality lifestyle and if they don’t - either leave and if you want to be here then you got to face the punishment as a criminal.’

He was asked what is the punishment.

‘Throw them off a cliff.’

ITS NYC June 2004
(an unknown guy yelling)
‘We muslims will never, never accept your lifestyle. We ask allah to destroy you. We ask allah to burn you in hell. We ask allah to destroy you, … burn in hell.’

Does that sound like the God of Israel that they follow?! (not to me!!!) Individuals from CAIR, clerics, etc also have been caught saying the same sort of stuff.

 

[sedonaman]

Does that sound like the God of Israel that they follow?! (not to me!!!) Individuals from CAIR, clerics, etc also have been caught saying the same sort of stuff.

That’s why I asked “puppypatrol” why she didn’t listen to what they are saying, like we didn’t pay attention to Hitler when he wrote Mein Kampf.

BTW, the link I posted last doesn’t work. You will have to go to the home page politicalislam.com and click on the article title, “Refuting Counter-Terrorism Dhimmitude” in the upper right under “Recent Articles”.