Muslim women cannot lead prayers

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Hi all,

Through reading a link in another thread, I found this interesting paragraph…

A woman, however, may not lead prayers since Muslim prayers involve prostrations and body contact. Since the prayer leader is supposed to stand in front of the congregation and may move forward in the middle of crowded rows, it would be both inappropriate and uncomfortable for a female to be in such a position and prostrate, hands, knees and forehead on the ground with rows of men behind here.
whyislam.org/877/Gender_Issues/Gender_Equity.asp

I think the last word in that paragraph is meant to be “her”.

So even if a woman had on a long dress, down to the ground, with other layers underneath so no undergarments or skin were to show, and crouched down onto the floor, rather like a dog or cat, with her forehead touching the floor too, it would still be “uncomfortable and innapropriate” as men would be behind her.

Why???
 
Man always lead, just like woman cannot Pastor her own church, it need to be with a man on top of her in level…
 
Catholic women cannot be ordained. Where do you draw the line?
 
No one has replied to the OP, I asked why would a woman feel uncomfortable leading prayers kneeling on the floor?

Are Muslims trying to say that a woman may feel sexually vulnerable in this position with lots of men around her?

My OP wasn’t to quibble over gender issues in religions.

I don’t believe in women priests in Catholicism.

The paragraph I pasted just seems to imply that women feel sexually vulnerable.
 
kellie said:
No one has replied to the OP, I asked why would a woman feel uncomfortable leading prayers kneeling on the floor?

Are Muslims trying to say that a woman may feel sexually vulnerable in this position with lots of men around her?

My OP wasn’t to quibble over gender issues in religions.

I don’t believe in women priests in Catholicism.

The paragraph I pasted just seems to imply that women feel sexually vulnerable.
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As to the ‘position’…
The original congregation in Medina prayed towards Jerusalem, but then the Jews didn’t *en masse *jump onto the band-wagon and accept Muhammed as the Messiah, so they turned around to face Mecca, thus lifting their behinds back towards Jerusalem
 
Montalban said:
As to the ‘position’…
The original congregation in Medina prayed towards Jerusalem, but then the Jews didn’t *en masse *jump onto the band-wagon and accept Muhammed as the Messiah, so they turned around to face Mecca, thus lifting their behinds back towards Jerusalem
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Hey, that’s as useful as saying the priest at a TLM turns his back on the congregation … a highly colourable and misleading way of expressing it.
 
LilyM said:
Hey, that’s as useful as saying the priest at a TLM turns his back on the congregation … a highly colourable and misleading way of expressing it.
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There would be a parallel if the priest did the same actions for the same reason… ie. as if the congregation rejected the priest.

By the way, what’s a TLM?
 
To the OP, women cannot lead prayers in Islam because the backside of woman (well any part really) could lead a man to lust and so would render his prayers invalid and he would be committing sin. Also, women and men are separated when they pray. So basically it’s that women are a distraction and lead to sin. And not it does not matter if she is covered.
 
Pacbox said:
To the OP, women cannot lead prayers in Islam because the backside of woman (well any part really) could lead a man to lust and so would render his prayers invalid and he would be committing sin. Also, women and men are separated when they pray. So basically it’s that women are a distraction and lead to sin. And not it does not matter if she is covered.
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It’s totally understandable, I mean, we all just go to church to check out the chicks!

The reason for this mentality in Islam is that they know that the men are not able to control themselves.
 
Pacbox said:
To the OP, women cannot lead prayers in Islam because the backside of woman (well any part really) could lead a man to lust and so would render his prayers invalid and he would be committing sin. Also, women and men are separated when they pray. So basically it’s that women are a distraction and lead to sin. And not it does not matter if she is covered.
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Yep, that’s how I read that website too.

But seriously, to make it an actual rule of their religion is appalling.

It seems to say men always think about sex, and can’t control their desires even when they are worshipping God.

What an awful thing to say about men.
 
kellie said:
Yep, that’s how I read that website too.

But seriously, to make it an actual rule of their religion is appalling.

It seems to say men always think about sex, and can’t control their desires even when they are worshipping God.

What an awful thing to say about men.
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In Islam they don’t set too high a value on a man’s ability to be responsible for his own actions…

women are covered up, because he might be tempted to rape
men who kill are doing so because they’re compelled to for ‘honour’ or revenge against western imperialism, etc. It’s a religion of low standards.
 
Women in Islam

Read this article. It really outlines how Islam truly thinks of women. (It’s in the Women in Islam post and posted by Booklover in this forum if the link doesn’t work).
 
Montalban said:
Some churches (not mine)* have women pastors.

Of course there are women who are pastor, but no woman can head a church. No matter how messy any protestant denomination can be, so far i never heard of a woman who head a stand alone church, they runs only a ministry…

*It is not because they are considered ‘un-clean’. In Islam a woman can’t pray when she’s menstruating

“When a woman has her period she is not allowed to pray”
islamqa.com/index.php?ref=5595&ln=eng

**Although women problem does make her unclean, however even she don’t , man is always surperior over her. For women were created out from man… 😃 **
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These issues are hardly unique to Islam. In orthodox Judaism, men and women are separated during religious services. They are also considered ritually unclean during menstruation. According to the laws of family purity, a woman who is considered niddah (usually during menses and for seven days after it ends, until she has immersed herself in the mikveh, the ritual bath) is forbidden from all physical contact with her husband, not just intercourse.

Other terms to look up in reference to conduct between men and women in Judaism–negiah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negiah,
tzniut en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzeniut and niddah en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niddah

I have known very conservative Christian churches that teach that women are not allowed to wear pants, that women and men are not allowed to mix during sports/exercise, women should wear head coverings, etc for the very reason that it might lead the men into lustful thoughts. Some separate men from women during services.

We homeschool. There are a great many very conservative Christians who also homeschool to avoid their children coming into contact with wordly influences, so I frequently see discussions of appropriate modesty, etc on some of the homeschool elists which I frequent. Here’s a link that was posted on one of those lists just this week about a modesty survey of some Christian teens
therebelution.com/modestysurvey/
 
happygal said:
Of course there are women who are pastor, but no woman can head a church. No matter how messy any protestant denomination can be, so far i never heard of a woman who head a stand alone church, they runs only a ministry…
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In our area, there are quite a number of women heading religious congregations as the senior clergy, including a variety of mainline Christian denominations, those that are not affiliated with a specific denomination, and even the Reform Jewish Temple that has over 1000 families.
 
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Montalban:
Some churches (not mine)* have women pastors.
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happygal:
Of course there are women who are pastor, but no woman can head a church. No matter how messy any protestant denomination can be, so far I never heard of a woman who head a stand alone church, they runs only a ministry…
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The Shakers (aka Shaking Quakers) were founded by a woman. I don’t for a second suggest that this is a good thing, but it addresses the OP.

Secondly the very fact that a woman can be a pastor in some churches means that a ‘woman can lead prayer’ which is the OP. You want to goal-shift this discussion into one about a woman being head of a church, and you’re still wrong!
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Montalban:
*It is not because they are considered ‘un-clean’. In Islam a woman can’t pray when she’s menstruating

“When a woman has her period she is not allowed to pray”
islamqa.com/index.php?ref=5595&ln=eng
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happygal:
Although women problem does make her unclean,
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It does in Islam.
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happygal:
however even she don’t , man is always superior over her. For women were created out from man…
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Now you’re widening the debate still further to one about society as a whole.
 
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