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I want to say something really quick - I may not be back on this particular thread. It has gone off-topic. I also read two enlightening things (I always like to learn)…

“Unfortunately, some Christian apologists try to turn the tables on Muslim apologists by alleging all kinds of contradictions in the Qur’an without giving Muslims the same kind of flexibility in resolving them that Christians use in resolving alleged Bible difficulties. That is not fair, and a Muslim concerned with Bible difficulties will spot this.”

I apologize for falling into this trap. It seemed an easy way for a person of either religion to debate against the other religion. It is not really fair, and it is cumbersome for the defendant.

Also, I found sources online that clear up some of the contradictions I have mentioned. Not all, but a few, including the contradiction regarding wine and Pharoah’s repentance.

What I have learned is that debating these contradictions isn’t the way to go. Muslims must realize, however, that Catholics also have air-tight, logical answers for what seems like contradictions in Catholicism to Muslims. Believe me, meedo, praying to saints for intercession is not a contradiction–I believe you mentioned this, but I will leave it up to you to research this, perhaps on catholic.com. I am sure that you can make your own list of things that you think are contradictions, but there are already answers for them. I asked a lot of questions myself before deciding to come into the Church again–the answers are there, and they are good. My belief and my love for God have multiplied since I solved these questions.

So I want to drop the direction this thread has gone, and participate in other threads, witness the best I can, and learn. It is not trying to point out flaws in a religion that wins hearts. It might win the mind over to doubts, but it won’t win the mind or heart to a different religion. I will be studying about what I need to be doing, instead of falling into the “contradictions” trap that Muslims and Catholics can both fall into.
 
“Unfortunately, some Christian apologists try to turn the tables on Muslim apologists by alleging all kinds of contradictions in the Qur’an without giving Muslims the same kind of flexibility in resolving them that Christians use in resolving alleged Bible difficulties. That is not fair, and a Muslim concerned with Bible difficulties will spot this.”

Hmm yes we do . That’s why this Ibn warraq guy is either a fraud or didn’t know anything about islam.

“I apologize for falling into this trap. It seemed an easy way for a person of either religion to debate against the other religion. It is not really fair, and it is cumbersome for the defendant. “

**Well , I just hope I didn’t make you fall into any trap or something . All I did was answer your questions directly from the Quran . Hmm am I a defendant ?!!! I didn’t imagine myself being one when I came into this forum. **

“Also, I found sources online that clear up some of the contradictions I have mentioned. Not all, but a few, including the contradiction regarding wine and Pharoah’s repentance. “

**If you would search more then you will find that he is just bluffing. **

“What I have learned is that debating these contradictions isn’t the way to go. Muslims must realize, however, that Catholics also have air-tight, logical answers for what seems like contradictions in Catholicism to Muslims. Believe me, meedo, praying to saints for intercession is not a contradiction–I believe you mentioned this, but I will leave it up to you to research this, perhaps on catholic.com. I am sure that you can make your own list of things that you think are contradictions, but there are already answers for them. I asked a lot of questions myself before deciding to come into the Church again–the answers are there, and they are good. My belief and my love for God have multiplied since I solved these questions.”

**Well , to say the truth, my intention when I came into this forum is to dispel myths about my faith and not to present contradictions really . I believe that you deserve to open the internet and ask questions about islam with no burden of having someone hammering you with contradictions every time you open. I guess there should be separate forum , sort of flame forum for that . Sadly this is not what I get in most of the forums I participate in . I am sorry of I was a bit late in my replies but some times you can get burnt out fom saying stuff over and over again for every one who enters a forum. See , there are probably hundreds who will come after us now and present to me the same contradictions. Its tiresome. **
 
“”So I want to drop the direction this thread has gone, and participate in other threads, witness the best I can, and learn. It is not trying to point out flaws in a religion that wins hearts. It might win the mind over to doubts, but it won’t win the mind or heart to a different religion. I will be studying about what I need to be doing, instead of falling into the “contradictions” trap that Muslims and Catholics can both fall into. “”

This is big talk with profound words and I just came from a movie and my head hurts lol.

“Those are summaries of what is deduced from the verses, not translations.”

True , and that’s why Ibn warraq deduction is wrong because he clearly went against the translation . Sadly he is wither a liar or totally ignorant about Islam .

“”The prayer was accepted in one quote, and he was told to go about righteousness. Later, in telling the same story, he was drowned. What are you not understanding? Of course this is a contradiction. “”

Excuse me? Where does it say the prayer was accepted?! Please quote the Quran and state the number of the verses and clear up what is alleged to be a contradiction.

“Which has, what to do with the contradiction in those verses, exactly, if I may ask? That seems like something random that you just threw out there for a distraction.”

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YUSUFALI: Then why do ye not (intervene) when (the soul of the dying man) reaches the throat,-
PICKTHAL: Why, then, when (the soul) cometh up to the throat (of the dying)
SHAKIR: Why is it not then that when it (soul) comes up to the throat,
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YUSUFALI: And ye the while (sit) looking on,-
PICKTHAL: And ye are at that moment looking
SHAKIR: And you at that time look on–
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YUSUFALI: But We are nearer to him than ye, and yet see not,-
PICKTHAL: - And We are nearer unto him than ye are, but ye see not -
SHAKIR: And We are nearer to it than you, but you do not see—
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YUSUFALI: Then why do ye not,- If you are exempt from (future) account,-
PICKTHAL: Why then, if ye are not in bondage (unto Us),
SHAKIR: Then why is it not-- if you are not held under authority–
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YUSUFALI: Call back the soul, if ye are true (in the claim of independence)?
PICKTHAL: Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful?
SHAKIR: That you send it (not) back-- if you are truthful?

Repentance in Islam is every where except in two positions. The first is at the manifestation of the first greater sign of Judgement day and the second is when the soul is reaching out of the Body in the beginning of the state of death. The second case is the case of Pharouh. This is why the Quran is stating this case above in separate verses describing how this person is in the beginning of the process of death and no way he is turning back . Now I hope you see there is no contradiction . Pharouh had no repentance prayer accepted as he was in a state of his final breath and death and he was never forgiven.**
 
“”History was “changed” in Muslim tradition, though. Many Muslims today claim that Ishmael, not Isaac, was the “righteous” son the Abraham almost sacrificed. Hence, the idea many hold that they are decendants of Ishmael, and the idea that the Jews lost favored position to the Muslims, who were transformed into “apes and swine”. Although the birth of the righteous son would be miraculous, what is miraculous about Hagar being 24 years old when she gave birth to Ishmael? There are strong leanings in Islam to interpret the second verse quoted about Ishmael in the Scriptures, to indicate to many Muslims that they are descendants from him, and not from the others. Suddenly, the other prophets in the house of Israel don’t seem to count anymore. Do you agree with this interpretation? If not, there are many other contradictions in that list, and historical inaccuracies. One is the belief that Alexander the Great was a Muslim, when he actually wasn’t even a monotheist. The story about Moses and Aaron in Pharoah’s court mentions crucifixion, when crucifixion wasn’t even invented yet–it was invented much later–by the ROMANS. In Sura 20:90, a Samaritan is said to have helped the Israelites to build a Golden Calf. It is established historical fact that Samaria DID NOT EXIST prior to the existence of Israel. There are man-made teachings by Muhammed, which come from his travels to Christian places, not understanding them, and making up his own.

I do appreciate your helping to clear up contradictions when you can. But you also have to understand, that in the spirit of Truth, I cannot take your word for everything. There is too much going wrong, and arguments that fall flat so far when you try to answer my points. I can see that your faith is strong, and that you are doing your best and probably
love God very much. God is working in you, but I believe it is despite Islam, not because of it. I only feel that it is right for me to point out these contradictions.””

**History wasn’t changed mam . History is disputed . Muslims have a valid proof that Ihsamel was the sacrifice to be
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=66414
The above link is our discussions on this forum about this topic.

You confuse the miraculous birth with the sacrifice. The miraculous birth came from sarah and that is already in the Quran itself . The sacrifice was made for the ONLY son at the time ofcourse which is the eldest son. But sadly Jelousy and love for glory added “ yea Isac “ to the text . The bible states that Hager was a wife and Ishmael was a son . There is no way to change that . Only son means elder son by logic . **
 
“If not, there are many other contradictions in that list, and historical inaccuracies. One is the belief that Alexander the Great was a Muslim, when he actually wasn’t even a monotheist”

Excuse me but where in the world does it say in the Quran that or hadeeth that Alexander the great was a muslim?!! There is a story about a man that roamed the earth and a few people had an opinion it might be Alexander the great but this is a very fringe minority among muslims and have been proven wrong by history as you say . This is no where sanctioned by Quran or Sunnah fo the prophet !! where is the contradiction here ?!!

“There are strong leanings in Islam to interpret the second verse quoted about Ishmael in the Scriptures, to indicate to many Muslims that they are descendants from him, and not from the others. Suddenly, the other prophets in the house of Israel don’t seem to count anymore. Do you agree with this interpretation?”

Mam I cant agree or disagree with something I don’t know anything about !!! can u please quote the sources of all you are talking so I can just see! What is that second verse that we interpret and why do u think Muslims care of they are the descendants of Ishmael or even Isaac? And who in the world told you that Muslims doesn’t care for the prophets of the house of Israel!!!

“The story about Moses and Aaron in Pharaoh’s court mentions crucifixion, when crucifixion wasn’t even invented yet–it was invented much later–by the ROMANS”

Mam , the sorcerers of pharaoh were crucified on palm trees . If historians didn’t reach that far then may be they slipped on that one. Or may be they didn’t consider someone to be crucified on a palm tree to be crucifixion. But do u really tell me that Historians got it all ?!
 
“In Sura 20:90, a Samaritan is said to have helped the Israelites to build a Golden Calf. It is established historical fact that Samaria DID NOT EXIST prior to the existence of Israel”

****No mam . The name of the man was called “ Sameri “ The verse doesn’t by any way prove or deny a relation of him with any later tribe or place. There is no contradiction to refute and who ever gave you that meaning cant find it in the Quran

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: “We have tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri has led them astray.”
PICKTHAL: He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them.
SHAKIR: He said: So surely We have tried your people after you, and the Samiri has led them astray.
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YUSUFALI: So Moses returned to his people in a state of indignation and sorrow. He said: “O my people! did not your Lord make a handsome promise to you? Did then the promise seem to you long (in coming)? Or did ye desire that Wrath should descend from your Lord on you, and so ye broke your promise to me?”
PICKTHAL: Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me?
SHAKIR: So Musa returned to his people wrathful, sorrowing. Said he: O my people! did not your Lord promise you a goodly promise: did then the time seem long to you, or did you wish that displeasure from your Lord should be due to you, so that you broke (your) promise to me?
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YUSUFALI: They said: "We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power: but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the Samiri suggested.
PICKTHAL: They said: We broke not tryst with thee of our own will, but we were laden with burdens of ornaments of the folk, then cast them (in the fire), for thus As-Samiri proposed.
SHAKIR: They said: We did not break (our) promise to you of our own accord, but we were made to bear the burdens of the ornaments of the people, then we made a casting of them, and thus did the Samiri suggest.
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YUSUFALI: “Then he brought out (of the fire) before the (people) the image of a calf: It seemed to low: so they said: This is your god, and the god of Moses, but (Moses) has forgotten!”
PICKTHAL: Then he produced for them a calf, of saffron hue, which gave forth a lowing sound. And they cried: This is your god and the god of Moses, but he hath forgotten.
SHAKIR: So he brought forth for them a calf, a (mere) body, which had a mooing sound, so they said: This is your god and the god of Musa, but he forgot.
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YUSUFALI: Could they not see that it could not return them a word (for answer), and that it had no power either to harm them or to do them good?
PICKTHAL: See they not, then, that it returneth no saying unto them and possesseth for them neither hurt nor use?
SHAKIR: What! could they not see that it did not return to them a reply, and (that) it did not control any harm or benefit for them?
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YUSUFALI: Aaron had already, before this said to them: “O my people! ye are being tested in this: for verily your Lord is (Allah) Most Gracious; so follow me and obey my command.”
PICKTHAL: And Aaron indeed had told them beforehand: O my people! Ye are but being seduced therewith, for lo! your Lord is the Beneficent, so follow me and obey my order.
SHAKIR: And certainly Haroun had said to them before: O my people! you are only tried by it, and surely your Lord is the Beneficent Allah, therefore follow me and obey my order. ****
 
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YUSUFALI: They had said: “We will not abandon this cult, but we will devote ourselves to it until Moses returns to us.”
PICKTHAL: They said: We shall by no means cease to be its votaries till Moses return unto us.
SHAKIR: They said: We will by no means cease to keep to its worship until Musa returns to us.
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YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "O Aaron! what kept thee back, when thou sawest them going wrong,
PICKTHAL: He (Moses) said: O Aaron! What held thee back when thou didst see them gone astray,
SHAKIR: (Musa) said: O Haroun! what prevented you, when you saw them going astray,
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YUSUFALI: “From following me? Didst thou then disobey my order?”
PICKTHAL: That thou followedst me not? Hast thou then disobeyed my order?
SHAKIR: So that you did not follow me? Did you then disobey my order?
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YUSUFALI: (Aaron) replied: “O son of my mother! Seize (me) not by my beard nor by (the hair of) my head! Truly I feared lest thou shouldst say, ‘Thou has caused a division among the children of Israel, and thou didst not respect my word!’”
PICKTHAL: He said: O son of my mother! Clutch not my beard nor my head! I feared lest thou shouldst say: Thou hast caused division among the Children of Israel, and hast not waited for my word.
SHAKIR: He said: O son of my mother! seize me not by my beard nor by my head; surely I was afraid lest you should say: You have caused a division among the children of Israel and not waited for my word.
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YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: “What then is thy case, O Samiri?”
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: And what hast thou to say, O Samiri?
SHAKIR: He said: What was then your object, O Samiri?
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YUSUFALI: He replied: “I saw what they saw not: so I took a handful (of dust) from the footprint of the Messenger, and threw it (into the calf): thus did my soul suggest to me.”
PICKTHAL: He said: I perceived what they perceive not, so I seized a handful from the footsteps of the messenger, and then threw it in. Thus my soul commended to me.
SHAKIR: He said: I saw (Jibreel) what they did not see, so I took a handful (of the dust) from the footsteps of the messenger, then I threw it in the casting; thus did my soul commend to me
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YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: “Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, ‘touch me not’; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast in the sea!”
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: Then go! and lo! in this life it is for thee to say: Touch me not! and lo! there is for thee a tryst thou canst not break. Now look upon thy god of which thou hast remained a votary. Verily we will burn it and will scatter its dust over the sea.
SHAKIR: He said: Begone then, surely for you it will be in this life to say, Touch (me) not; and surely there is a threat for you, which shall not be made to fail to you, and look at your god to whose worship you kept (so long); we will certainly burn it, then we will certainly scatter it a (wide) scattering in the sea.
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YUSUFALI: But the god of you all is the One Allah: there is no god but He: all things He comprehends in His knowledge.
PICKTHAL: Your Allah is only Allah, than Whom there is no other Allah. He embraceth all things in His knowledge.
SHAKIR: Your Allah is only Allah, there is no god but He; He comprehends all things in (His) knowledge. **
 
“”There are man-made teachings by Muhammed, which come from his travels to Christian places, not understanding them, and making up his own.

I do appreciate your helping to clear up contradictions when you can. But you also have to understand, that in the spirit of Truth, I cannot take your word for everything. There is too much going wrong, and arguments that fall flat so far when you try to answer my points. I can see that your faith is strong, and that you are doing your best and probably
love God very much. God is working in you, but I believe it is despite Islam, not because of it. I only feel that it is right for me to point out these contradictions.””
“”

**These are not man made teaching , these are a revelations of Godgiven to the last prophet to earth , the prophet whose name was written explicitly in the songs of Solomon . Go read the Hebrew text of the chapter 5 verse 16 in the songs of solomon and you will see it is spelling Muhammed and before it it is making a description of him. Read the Hebrew text and convert the words into English letters. Hopefully I will make another trhead for this. I don’t know wxactly what you mean that you cant take my words in a spirit of truth. I don’t lie to you if that is what you mean . But ofcoure you can believe as you wish . I have gioven quotes and sources for all I posted. Mam I have answered all your points nearly and all of them are refuted by proofs . Some of them I will refute each every day because I don’t have the time. I love god so much because he guided me to Islam which made perfect sence to me the moment I started learning more. And this is because of islam and not despite islam . I am a happy practicing muslim. The truth sets me free. Ofcourse it is your right to post whatever you see as contradictions and its my right and obligation towards my faith and towards God and towards my fellow brothers and sisters in humanity to refute them with proof. **

“CindyGia I’d like to add something:

Ismael was not the “miracle” son of Abraham. It was Isaac.”

Ishmael was born of Hagar, a 24 year old woman. Where is the miracle in that? I remember reading in “Inside Islam” that Mohammad believed he was a relation (or something like that) to Ishmael, saying that Ishmael was the “miracle” son.

But again, Mohammad in his “prophecy” gets it wrong again, (as with most of his accounts history,) because the miracle son was Isaac; born of Sarah, who was an old lady past the age of 70. “”

**You know guys . I guess you need to sit with this guy of inside islam or else he will keep embarrassing you really !!! I guess I will say this for the gazillion time!!!

Where in the world does the Quran or hadeeth say that Ishmael was a miracle son!!!

This guy is an adamant liar and probably he was never ever muslim in his life or else he would know these basic stuff. Couple of posts ago I thought he was unpracticing now I know he wasn’t a muslim ever!!! Don’t let some frauds like this keep embarrassing you !!! Some body up in the post was saying that he gave this book for muslims and he didn’t come up and reply to him in 5 month . well I know why !!! he probably used it as toilet paper !!!**
 
“”You know what, it’s amazing that you are so skeptical that any Islam nation does bad things, out of their understanding of Islam. Why is it so threatening?””

**It isn’t threatening at all it’s a fact that people do wrong mam . Like the lovely crusaders when they went in Jerusalem they slayed every one. Now do u want me to blaim all christyianity for that ?
Me as a muslim , I don’t do that . do u ?!!!

Tehse guys who kept these girls trapped will simply burn in hell . No need a fuss about it .**

“Teach all you want about how YOU understand Islam. The point you are refusing to acknowledge is that there are many interpretations of this non-divinely inspired book.””

Excuse me but I know what I am saying and if you claim that islam teaches otherwise then prove it . As long as you cant prove it then don’t accuse me of knowing not enough about islam while you your self isn’t a muslim or a knowledgable one for that matter. The incident that happened at the school isn’t inspired in the Quran mam !!!

“There is one Catholic Church. I am a member of this Church. Protestants are different. Our Catholic church continues to guide us with infallible doctrine, and we follow the teachings of this Church, not the Protestant’s or any other Christians, just because they also believe in Christ. The Protestants do not follow our Church. I am talking to you as a Catholic, not as a member of all Christianity, because Christianity is very broad. I could do the same to you, by comparing you to every other non-Christian religion on the planet. Do I do this? No, I do not. “

**You do this by comparing me to the Taliban and Saudi religious police . If you claim that you have the truth as a catholic then you must accept that I also have the truth as I am talking to you being a proper sunni muslim who very well knows hgis faith even better than these religious police!!! Or else I can claim that you don’t know yr catholic faith right and you are just following your culture of peace and the catholic faith is manifested in the crusades !! **
 
“You are EXACTLY RIGHT there, because Catholics do not believe that the Bible ALONE is enough! When will you admit that the Koran is not enough, then? Catholics follow the Church that Jesus specifically established, in order to teach us, and to carry on the traditions of the apostles (not everything was written down, and the apostles did hand down traditions orally, which were much later put into writing). In fact, there wasn’t even a Bible, until the Church logically deduced, which writings were divinely inspired, and which were not. Protestants are unlike us, and are like Muslims in at least that little way, because they do think that the Bible is enough. See, you cannot argue these things against “Christianity” when you are really arguing with a Catholic. Catholics know that the Bible is infallible, but that the Church teachings are also necessary.””

**Well , if you want to tell me that the Quyran isn’t enough then its wrong . The Quran is enough as a high level book of basiuc tenents and beliefs. But the sunnah explains the Quran . You cant argue that the Quran isn’t enough because some people interpret it differently because then I would say that the whole catholic church with all its tradiction and documentary wasn’t anough for protestants and they just denounced it and went their own way !!! does this mean that uptill the protestant left the church the catholic church wasn’t enough too !!!

The moral here is that there will be always different of views. This is no problem . The problem is how clear is yr evoidence and text .**

“”I am not certain, that you are not “cherry picking” now. A quote by Ibn Taymiyyah: “The Arabic language itself is a part of Islam, and knowing Arabic is an obligatory duth. If it is a duty to understand the Qur’an and Sunnah, and they cannot be understood without knowing Arabic, then the means that is needed to fulfill the duty is also obligatory”. Muslims are also obligated to pray in Arabic even if they do not understand a single word they are saying. This is according to my ex-Muslim source, and I am not bringing up anything that I know to be false in my understanding.””

Mam you got it confused here. If you don’t speak Arabic and you don’t have a translator then it’s a problem ofcourse but then God excuses you . That’s why we have translation of the meanings of the Quran. But if you have the means to be taught Arabic then you must do so . That doesn’t mean that you would find a while new meaning when you read in Arabic though. Its just that you would be reading in the original language. Muslism can rpay in their language in some parts of the prayer until they learn Arabic. If they have no one to teach them then they pray in their language for ever. Simple. Yoru ex muslims source should be an ex source for non muslims if you ask me because ethis guy is wacko!!!
 
There is still more on this thread that i need to refute and inshallah i will continue later but i guess i have written enough for the night . Just dump this inside islam in the nearest garbage bin please.

Peace

*Phew, that was tiresome writing * lol
 
Originally posted by r.gonzlaes
secondly, please explain what you mean here about rarely having any rights at all. what do you know about the rights muslim women have or don’t have? (asking out of curiousity, not out of hostility).
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Originally posted by meedo
Islam oppresses women!!! Go and talk to a muslim women instead of watching conservative lies on TV !!!
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How about some force-marriage, torture, rape, bashing and even killing of young muslim … see link below:

Please don’t try your, ‘oh that’s afghanistan, ah that’s pakistan or come to my country to really see,’ supposedlly the perfect model of muslim way of life excuses. These are real and they are very much in opposition to what the brochure says about arranged marriage.

www.pakistanchristianpost.com/newsdetails.php?newsid=628.
 
"How about some force-marriage, torture, rape, bashing and even killing of young muslim … see link below:

Please don’t try your, ‘oh that’s afghanistan, ah that’s pakistan or come to my country to really see,’ supposedlly the perfect model of muslim way of life excuses. These are real and they are very much in opposition to what the brochure says about arranged marriage"

Forced Marriage : Forbidden in Islam . The woman have thr ight to ask for " Revokation" not devorce on basis of forceful marriage.

Torture : Torture is everywhere were people dont follow God . There are some God loving Christians who also like to make nice human pyramids .

Rape: I guess the country you are living in have the most rate of rape in the world . How can rape be sanctioned by any religion if i may ask ?

Excuse me sir. Lets just put one rule. Whenever there are people who are uneducated , poor , you will find ignorance and intolerance rampant and tradition will take place more than anything else that make sense.

Now i wont try to prove anything to you because its not worth it honestly . Dont come to my country or anything . I believe even if you come and see what you say isnt true wouldnt make a difference to you .

Bye
 
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meedo:
Torture : Torture is everywhere were people dont follow God . There are some God loving Christians who also like to make nice human pyramids .
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Name them.
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meedo:
Rape: I guess the country you are living in have the most rate of rape in the world .
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Proportionately.
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meedo:
How can rape be sanctioned by any religion if i may ask ?
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Possibly because it is?
 
My dear meedo why do you always try and steer away our topic all over the globe? Seems to be your usual denial when cornered!!!

I don’t expect to get dictionary/encyclopedia kind of answer trying to define each word. The point at issue here is the right of the poor girl to convert to christianity. (According to the title of this thread.)

Please don’t go around accusing every other country as if yours is the promised paradise on earth. Wasn’t there a recent bombing there meeedo by your fellow egyption? And your trying to get me come there to see it? Uuuummm don’t think so, seen enough on TV. Aaaahhh I know what your saying,’ don’t believe the media, conservative lies on tv." (Your worn-out responses!!!)

“Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.” Jesus Christ.

Btw my country is the most peaceful on earth!!!
 
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notaprophet:
My dear meedo why do you always try and steer away our topic all over the globe? Seems to be your usual denial when cornered!!!

I don’t expect to get dictionary/encyclopedia kind of answer trying to define each word. The point at issue here is the right of the poor girl to convert to christianity. (According to the title of this thread.)

Please don’t go around accusing every other country as if yours is the promised paradise on earth. Wasn’t there a recent bombing there meeedo by your fellow egyption? And your trying to get me come there to see it? Uuuummm don’t think so, seen enough on TV. Aaaahhh I know what your saying,’ don’t believe the media, conservative lies on tv." (Your worn-out responses!!!)
]Do not judge, so that you may not be judged Jesus Christ.

Btw my country is the most peaceful on earth!!!
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lol, that bolded quote made me laugh. Which country do you live in…please oh pretty please dont say the USA.
 
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lol, that bolded quote made me laugh. Which country do you live in…please oh pretty please dont say the USA.
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Well, I suppose he might be in Sudan, or Nigeria, or Albania, or Chechnya…
 
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