Muslims – Question about Janah

[Reuben_J]

I already have. There are very many holes in the comparison and I’ll refute them in due time, insha’Allah. First, there are other red herrings that have been thrown out that I must deal with. After all, this thread was never meant for discussing this topic in the first place. Someone had a question regarding Jannah for Women and I answered that. I did not bring up this topic but only explained my viewpoint on terrorists. But now it seems I have been challenged to support my views and I gladly accept that. Thank you. Peace.

You did a good job explaining Islam among us here. Engaging more than one posters can be confusing but at least you try. Appreciate that.

As this is a public forum you have to expect differences of opinion and disagreement. Even though this is not a terrorist thread, it ties quite closely to Jannah as that is where we get the practical example of how Muslims believe it or have died believing in it.

Basically it is about end time, what will happen then, and why? We do not have many Muslim posters here. I am sure there are Muslims out there who would disagree with you, as there are Christians who disagree with each in matter of understanding the faith.

 

[F_Ferdous]

Hi Ferdous,
Are you in any way related to the “Expounder”?

You are a great apologist for Islam, and one would be tempted to accept your words at face value, were it not for the fact that they seem to contradict the last 1500 years of Islamic history. To be more precise, the entire history of Islam, from its very inception contradicts your version of the theory of Islam.

Let’s look at a few examples.

Just this week Pope Francis canonized 800 Italian men who were beheaded by Islamic invaders for not willing to convert to Islam in the 15th century. Were these warriors of the Mohamed also illiterate terrorists who don’t understand their religion? Or were they spreading their religion by the sword? Hmmmm.

What about the heroic street mobs in Egypt that keep killing Christians and burning churches. The last one I heard of happened when a Christian man allegedly leaned over a balcony railing to look at a Muslim woman. They burned and vandalized churches and Christian businesses. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Your brilliant explanations of what Islam is are misdirected. You should be addressing them to your illiterate, violent islamists. You should be explaining to them how to properly understand the concept of Islam and peace.

Islam can never be a religion of peace if people get killed daily for not being Muslim or for being the wrong kind of muslim

Still cherry-picking are we? And shall we completely disregard the fact that Christianity, too, was responsible for prosecuting and killings hundreds and thousands of scientists and luminaries for their teachings contradicting that of the Church (Galileo anyone?) along with plunging Europe into the Dark Ages.

 

[F_Ferdous]

• As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mobs. Pagan priests were killed.
• Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
• Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
• Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyers.”
• Pagan services became punishable by death in 356.
• Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues.
According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all Christian teachings…”
• In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
• In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities.
• The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.

 

[F_Ferdous]

• Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded.
• Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany.
• Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered.
• 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown.
• 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops “pacified and civilized” Ireland, where only Gaelic “wild Irish”, “unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing.” One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that “the heads of all those were killed in the day should be cut off from their bodies… and should be laid on the ground by each side of the way”, which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused “great terror to the people when they saw the head of their dead fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and friends on the ground”. Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage.

 

[F_Ferdous]

• First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II.
• Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands.
• 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively.
• Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown)
• after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed.
Here the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy’s] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies,” according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres.
• Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine “the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians” said chronicler Albert Aquensis.
• Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish and Muslim men, women, and children).
(In the words of one witness: “there [in front of Solomon’s temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes”, and after that “happily crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to honor it and to pay off our debt of gratitude”)
• The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished.”
• Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following summer, in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition”. One million victims of the First Crusade alone.
• Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”.
• Fourth Crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian.
• Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone).

 

[F_Ferdous]

• Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians (unitarians), the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany
• Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (against the doctrines of Catholicism) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims.
• Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians.
The Albigensians…viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control.
Begin of violence: on command of Pope Innocenti III (greatest single pre-Nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends) 20,000-70,000.
• Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed.
• Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today Southern France) were exterminated.
• After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake: 1324.
• Estimated one million victims (Cathar heretics alone),
• Other heretics: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution). I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
• Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings.
• John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415.
• University professor B. Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna.
• Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

 

[F_Ferdous]

• from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
• in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750), according to modern scholars several, hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
• incomplete list of documented cases: religioustolerance.org/wic_burn.htm

 

[F_Ferdous]

• 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain.
• 1538 Pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action).
• 1568, Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.
• 1572, in France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of Pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee.
• 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, “cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals… and then dumped him into the river …but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again … and] dragged what was left … to the gallows of Montfaulcon, ‘to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows’.”
• 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. “In a single church fifty women were found beheaded,” reported poet Friedrich Schiller, “and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers.”
• 17th century 30 years’ war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany.

 

[F_Ferdous]

• Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
• In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of Bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the Bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388.
• Council of Toledo, 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized.
• The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities’ Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed.
• First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech)
• Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France).
• Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90.
• Fulda/Germany, 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain.
• 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated.
• 1290, in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed.
• 1337, starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland.
• 1348, all Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned.
• 1349, in more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians).
• 1389, in Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered.
• 1391, Seville’s Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored “badges of shame” that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
• 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
• 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.

 

[F_Ferdous]

• Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England’s most esteemed religious leaders, in “1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs ‘to hunt Indians as they do bears’.”
• Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church (“I long to be wading in gore”) had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs’ waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: “There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed …”
• By the 1860s, in Hawai’i, the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands’ native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to ‘the amputation of diseased members of the body’."

 

[F_Ferdous]

• Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then Pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - Orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis, the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis had their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi “Sicherheitsdient der SS”, watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The Pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them.

• In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anti-communist propaganda campaigns, many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican’s spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam “Soldiers of Christ”, a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam.

Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
o “Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp.”
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in “detention camps.” Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps.

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI’s lost their life…

• Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda’s capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive…"

 

[F_Ferdous]

I thought a few times over before posting this. I didn’t want to, I really didn’t. See, I don’t see Christianity or Judaism as a religion of hate and anger. Nor do I see Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Confucianism, Sikhism or Paganism in that light. Hand in hand together, all faiths teach us to love God and love each other. One doesn’t have to be of a certain religion to agree with the good of a religion. If I say Christianity is a great religion with great ideals, I don’t become a Christian. If you were to say Islam is a great religion with great ideals, you don’t become a Muslim. Sadly, you refuse to see it my way, don’t you? You don’t see the good even when it is presented right in front of you. Instead, to turn back and you go cherrypick the bad.
Well, here I did some cherrypicking too. Don’t get me wrong. I love Christians and I love Christ. Yes, we don’t believe he is God nor do we believe he is the Son of God, but Wallahi, to us he is one of the mightiest of God’s messengers: the Savior, the Messiah. We love him and when there are neo-Atheists insulting his image and questioning his existence I’m there to defend him. But you won’t see that. You refuse to see that. You refuse to see the good.
If I were to cherrypick the black sheep of any nation, any religion, any ideology I would find hundreds and thousands of them. From Stalin and Hitler to Osama Bin Laden and the Zionists of modern day Israel, there have been evil atheists, evil Christians, evil Muslims and evil Jews throughout time and history. But, then there is good too. Open your eyes.
We might have great differences, me and you – Muslims and Christians, but remember we both worship the same the god, the One True God of Abraham.

قُلْ يَاأَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَى كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ وَلَا نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ

Qul Yā 'Ahla Al-Kitābi Taālaw 'Ilá Kalimatin Sawā'in Baynanā Wa Baynakum 'Allā Nabuda 'Illā Al-Laha Wa Lā Nushrika Bihi Shay’āan Wa Lā Yattakhidha Bađunā Bađāan 'Arbābāan Min Dūni Al-Lahi Fa’in Tawallaw Faqūlū Ash/hadū Bi’annā Muslimūna

*Say: “O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God (Alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh.” Then, if they turn away, say: “Bear witness that we are Muslims.”

• [Al-Quran 3:64]

 

[F_Ferdous]

You did a good job explaining Islam among us here. Engaging more than one posters can be confusing but at least you try. Appreciate that.

As this is a public forum you have to expect differences of opinion and disagreement. Even though this is not a terrorist thread, it ties quite closely to Jannah as that is where we get the practical example of how Muslims believe it or have died believing in it.

Basically it is about end time, what will happen then, and why? We do not have many Muslim posters here. I am sure there are Muslims out there who would disagree with you, as there are Christians who disagree with each in matter of understanding the faith.

I understand that, I really do. But when I present the good and the bad is kept hammering back at me, I find it a little ludicrous. For obvious reasons, I love Christians. The Glorious Qur’an tells us:

You will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: “We are Christians.” That is because amongst them there are those who have renounced the world (for the love of God) and devoted themselves to knowledge (in the Name of God) - monks and priests, and they are not proud nor are they arrogant. [Al-Qur’an 5:82]

So, let us…

Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God (Alone), and that we associate no partners with Him. [Al-Qur’an 3:64]

And yes, regarding your question, I will answer it soon insha’Allah. Currently, I’m busy finishing a homework for my summer class. I’ll get back to you soon. Thank you for your interest. May God bless you. Peace.

 

[Sam_777]

https://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif This thread has now so much copy & paste mumbling…:dts:

 

[F_Ferdous]

This thread has now so much copy & paste mumbling…:dts:

Interesting. Do you have an answer to any of my queries though? Because, from where I see it, this wasn’t quite very enlightening. Did you even read through any of my replies? On a side-note, I must ask you: What really makes you so bitterly miserable, sad, upset and angry? Please respond.

 

[Ontheway]

Still cherry-picking are we? And shall we completely disregard the fact that Christianity, too, was responsible for prosecuting and killings hundreds and thousands of scientists and luminaries for their teachings contradicting that of the Church (Galileo anyone?) along with plunging Europe into the Dark Ages.

Sorry Firdous,
You can’t dismiss an argument with “cherry picking” accusations. Furthermore, where are the thousands of scientists and luminaries? You must have been looking at the starts in the sky when you came us with that one. And “plunging Europe into the dark ages” is a silly argument that has been refuted by serious historians.

I understand you are emotional about your faith and can’t accept any criticism of your beloved. You ought to keep in mind that true virtue can withstand any scrutiny. The world of Islam seems to be undergoing revolutionary changes. These are likely to spill over into other parts of the world, as is evident from recent events in various countries of Europe, the US and other parts of the world.

Every Muslim I talk to insists that these events, these acts of terror have nothing to do with Islam. I and many of us here would really prefer to believe that. We don’t need or want a “war of civilizations”, but we seem to be in it.

You are preaching to people who are listening to you patiently and with a degree of sympathy. Perhaps even too much of both. We understand the point you are trying to make. For the sake of multiculturalism and ideas of coexistence we turn a blind eye to the terror attacks around the world and pretend not to see those passages in the Koran that are better left unread. But this does not change reality.

With your deep understanding of Islam and familiarity with Christianity you should be spearheading efforts to bring about much needed changes in your community. That’s where the changes need to take place.

It has been said here a number of times that your views of Islam are not typical or representative. I would prefer to think that your views are representative of a small but growing number of enlightened Muslims who have emerged from the blind faith stage of Islam, where the faithful simply repeat memorized passages of the Koran in ancient Arabic and declare them beautiful. Many of them don’t even know Arabic, but this is their foundation of faith.

If you are not an isolated “enlightened Muslim” but indeed represent a new wave in the Islamic spectrum, it is your duty and responsibility to promote your views. Not here, because we already got the message.

 

[Reuben_J]

Hi Ferdous. What is your point in putting up ten pages of Christians atrocities and war casualties? You are cutting and pasting all these to show us that Christians killed, right? Is this an issue in this thread or not? Is there any Christian posters here that denied that Christians were in fact along the history, killed too?

I read all the ten pages because it is perhaps rude not to read them if I am going to refer to them. What I am looking for is whether there is any specific Christian teaching that actually says to do all those killings. Unfortunately you did not include any of them, if there was any. So I do not see any Biblical verses or teachings that inspired Christians to kill in those fighting, inquisition and wars.

I think we miss the whole point there. We have never said that there were no bad Christians. All we want to point out is that the killings that Muslims did were were inspired by the Quran and prophet Mohammad. We are not merely saying there were bad Muslims or terrorists. Yes, there are but we are more interested in what made them do the killing. And for that there are many Quranic verses which the Muslims (or whom you called terrorists) cited as the justification of what they did. The verses on killing of infidels, the rewards for martyrs and the Islamic end times objective.

 

[MartinJordan]

As it stands for me Ferdous has not owned up to his critical allegation of Luke 19:27. Completely missed the context of Jesus’ words because that part of scripture starts from Luke 19:11.

MJ

 

[openmind77]

My apologies for the misunderstanding then, hahah. Okay wait, hmm… lemme try to summarize it in one go. Basically, in Heaven, each person shall have mansions and castles equivalent to the good deeds he or she has earned in the Duniya (mortal world); gardens; rivers of honey, water and wine; virgin mates with lustrous eyes (the Hur); their own friends and family (given that they made it to Heaven as well: if not then God shall replace them with better companions); their spouses (also, if they made it to Heaven: if not, then God shall replace them with better companions) and these are but some merely limited things that one shall have at his/her service. There will be more. In fact, one can have his/her personal heaven appear as to whatever he/she likes. And yes, the person in question can engage in sexual intercourse with his/her spouses and the virgin mates assigned to him/her.

Hello Fredous, I am curious - I assume Janah is the equivalent of the Christian ‘eternal heaven’ and there is also a Islamic ‘eternal hell’ (for sinners?), but is there anything equivalent to purgatory? I mean, where do people who are not good enough for heaven or bad enough for hell, go after death? Thanks.

 

[jakasaki]

Hello Fredous, I am curious - I assume Janah is the equivalent of the Christian ‘eternal heaven’ and there is also a Islamic ‘eternal hell’ (for sinners?), but is there anything equivalent to purgatory? I mean, where do people who are not good enough for heaven or bad enough for hell, go after death? Thanks.

I know this question is to Fredous, but I can answer it as well.

There is no “purgatory” in Islam.

It’s heaven or hell - that’s it.