muslims and homosexuality

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I have read some historical novels where the ottoman sultans use to have a dedicated sarai with boys for abominable prctices. No muslim imam fave bothered them, as I understood it was common practice in rich families. Do muslims stil accept this abomination?
 
I have read some historical novels where the ottoman sultans use to have a dedicated sarai with boys for abominable prctices. No muslim imam fave bothered them, as I understood it was common practice in rich families. Do muslims stil accept this abomination?
I’ve heard this as well. I believe it is still acceptable in most instances although its not a “common” practice. 😉
 
I have read some historical novels where the ottoman sultans use to have a dedicated sarai with boys for abominable prctices. No muslim imam fave bothered them, as I understood it was common practice in rich families. Do muslims stil accept this abomination?
that is correct. When Constantinople finally fell, the invading head Muslim wanted the King’s sons to rape them. When he refused, they were killed. Some of the high writings of the middle ages were written by homosexuals. Likewise, there has been a hidden man/boy sex acceptance among wealthier Muslims. The Taliban came to power with a promise of cleaning it up.
 
I have read some historical novels where the ottoman sultans use to have a dedicated sarai with boys for abominable prctices. No muslim imam fave bothered them, as I understood it was common practice in rich families. Do muslims stil accept this abomination?
It’s neither part of Islam nor part of “Arab culture”, basically it was a part of Near/Middle East culture that got spread around after the conquest due to a more unified area.
 
It’s neither part of Islam nor part of “Arab culture”, basically it was a part of Near/Middle East culture that got spread around after the conquest due to a more unified area.
It’s strange to me that such vile traditions could develop “culturally”, taking into consideration that other cultures, such as the Aztecs who I believe were cannibals, typically stumbled upon their traditions through religion. Specifically… . Very odd. 🤷

…or am I viewing ‘molestation’ through a culturally biased perspective?
 
It’s strange to me that such vile traditions could develop “culturally”, taking into consideration that other cultures, such as the Aztecs who I believe were cannibals, typically stumbled upon their traditions through religion. Specifically… . Very odd. 🤷

…or am I viewing ‘molestation’ through a culturally biased perspective?
Like Rome and Greece? Aztecs did human sacrifice, they weren’t systematically cannibals.

Sort of, for example in the Modern West people view intercourse with people under 18 as molestation, but 100 years ago there were plenty of people who married at 16 for guys and 14 for girls (incidentally the lower limit in the Catechism is 16 for males and 14 for females currently, but it was lower previously). Sure 17 year olds aren’t very mature psychologically, but maturity is an ongoing process.
 
Islam forbids sexual acts between two persons of the same sex on the basis of Qur’anic teaching (see, primarily, the story of Lot in surah 26) and some hadith.

Have some Muslims have done things the Qur’an forbids and/or turned a blind eye to it? No doubt. This happens in other religions as well. Who among us has never met a Catholic who flouts Church teaching regarding some sin or another?
 
Islam forbids sexual acts between two persons of the same sex on the basis of Qur’anic teaching (see, primarily, the story of Lot in surah 26) and some hadith.

Have some Muslims have done things the Qur’an forbids and/or turned a blind eye to it? No doubt. This happens in other religions as well. Who among us has never met a Catholic who flouts Church teaching regarding some sin or another?
The sultan had a special sarai, palace, everybody knew what is happening there…
They are now openly against homosexuality as I understand; maybe they just couldn’t put it practice against the sultan, and the rich.
 
Like Rome and Greece? Aztecs did human sacrifice, they weren’t systematically cannibals.

Sort of, for example in the Modern West people view intercourse with people under 18 as molestation, but 100 years ago there were plenty of people who married at 16 for guys and 14 for girls (incidentally the lower limit in the Catechism is 16 for males and 14 for females currently, but it was lower previously). Sure 17 year olds aren’t very mature psychologically, but maturity is an ongoing process.
Minor quibble: Aztec human sacrifice often did involve ritual cannibalism.
 
I have read some historical novels where the ottoman sultans use to have a dedicated sarai with boys for abominable prctices. No muslim imam fave bothered them, as I understood it was common practice in rich families. Do muslims stil accept this abomination?
PBS had a frontline episode called the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. It was so tragic.
 
PBS had a frontline episode called the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. It was so tragic.
Yes, that is typical. islamic version of heaven not only includes youth girls for sex but young boys as well. Sex between men and boys is very common.
 
Minor quibble: Aztec human sacrifice often did involve ritual cannibalism.
There is a reason I said systematically.
Yes, that is typical. islamic version of heaven not only includes youth girls for sex but young boys as well. Sex between men and boys is very common.
It was not common in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet invasion
 
You mean it wasn’t publicized prior to the Soviet invasion… The Soviets actually exposed it.
No, I mean in pencil skirts and rock ‘n’ roll Afghanistan, a nation that was quickly advancing into the bright modern era it was uncommon until the Soviets bombed Afghanistan into the stone age
 
Nevertheless, forbidden by the Qur’an and hadith.
what is on paper is their holy book is not what is widely practiced. likewise the Koran’s version of heaven includes young boys to enjoy as well as girls.
 
No, I mean in pencil skirts and rock ‘n’ roll Afghanistan, a nation that was quickly advancing into the bright modern era it was uncommon until the Soviets bombed Afghanistan into the stone age
did you watch the Frontline episode on it? The is an endemic practice not just in the country but that whole area of the world. likewise the music these poor boys dance to is not rock and roll but their cultural music.
 
what is on paper is their holy book is not what is widely practiced.
Like I said, I don’t doubt that. How many Catholics flout the Church’s teaching in Humane Vitae, for example?
likewise the Koran’s version of heaven includes young boys to enjoy as well as girls.
I see Christian websites claiming this and Muslim websites denying it, e.g. “If Allah has forbidden homosexual relations between people in this life, it does not make sense that He would make it a reward in the Hereafter or allow it to be practiced,” and “when Allah Almighty promised companions to the believers in Paradise, He quite clearly and obviously promised female companions for the males and male companions for the females.” Regarding what the Qur’an means, I would generally regard Muslims as better interpreters than non-Muslims, much as I tend to regard Christians as better interpreters of the New Testament than non-Christians.
 
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