Muslims beginning to own up to violence

[mark_a]

You see plenty of issues with Muhammad. We Muslims see plenty of issues with you and your church. It is all anti_Jesus church. You people are only using the name of Jesus.Otherwise youa re all anti-Jesus. You have got many other Lords beside God and beside Jesus.

Are you speaking of Christianity in general or the Catholic Church specifically?

Thanks.

 

[planten]

The real problem within Islam is lack of central authority.

I just don’t see how the peaceful Islamists can win against the violent ones.

The violent Islamists have become the voice of Islam worldwide.

That is the truth, described in a few words. But we must not lose hope. I would like a multi-prong attack on the violent Muslims, militarily as well as theologically. The violent ones will be defeated and they will have to leave their bad agenda. There is no other way.

I am happy to read the above post because it is the truth about the masses of present day Muslims. They have many leaders. Most of those leaders are political leaders, not any spiritual leaders. I do not go near any politics or violence.

There is another problem about the lack of central authority. God forbid these ignorant Muslims get united under some false leader. They will then do more damage as we have observed recently in few Muslim countries. The ignorant masses can do more damage to peaceful people of other faiths.
The Muslims need a really guided peaceful spiritual leader who has no political motives. I may be wrong. But that is how I feel.

 

[planten]

Are you speaking of Christianity in general or the Catholic Church specifically?

Thanks.

I do not know the exact difference between catholics and other sects. I only know a little about the Protestants. Thay have many sects within them. I had heard that catholic means faithful.

If we read the bibleNT with a background of knowledge of the Quran, we see some difficult passages. But whatever is direct words from Jesus (as in mathew), we love that all. There are some passages we cannot understand and cannot approve.

I would agree with whatever is described in the bibleNT (no problem).

 

[Mosacked]

I do not know the exact difference between catholics and other sects. I only know a little about the Protestants. Thay have many sects within them. I had heard that catholic means faithful.

If we read the bibleNT with a background of knowledge of the Quran, we see some difficult passages. But whatever is direct words from Jesus (as in mathew), we love that all. There are some passages we cannot understand and cannot approve.

I would agree with whatever is described in the bibleNT (no problem).

The Holy Bible is certainly NOT for you to approve.

Include This:

1 John 2:22 Who is the Liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. Such a man is the Antichrist—he denies the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus). Luke 16:16 The Law and the Prophets were until John the Baptist.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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[planten]

The Holy Bible is certainly NOT for you to approve.

Include This:

1 John 2:22 Who is the Liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. Such a man is the Antichrist—he denies the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus). Luke 16:16 The Law and the Prophets were until John the Baptist.

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Mosacked, I believe in 1.God 2. Jesus 3. Holy Spirit.

Do you say that Jesus was not a prophet?
Do you say that there was no prophet after John the Baptist?
That there was no law after John the Baptist?? Be brief please.

 

[seraphime2008]

] I do not know what you are talking about. I have never seen the gospel of Jesus. Have you got it with you?? Then show us the gospel of Jesus. I have seen a biography of Jesus written by some men (mathew, Luke and Mark etc) long after Jesus disappeared.

Oh since you believe that the word of mere Muhammad without anybody’s witnessing can be taken as real “word of Allah”. Islamic revelation is something that should also be tested since it bears no witness whatsoever! Need we tell you again and again that Jesus Gospel is His own Life, all recorded by people who was the living witness to His Life! If early Christians were to create lies, they will not grow as what we’ve seen now! The apostles again again said that we can all test the word from the Bible, but private revelation of Muhammad of course needs to suggest the opposite: do not ask!

You are trying to deny the good work of the Arabs, the decimal system, the Algebra etc. i am not interested in anything you say.

You just misunderstood (perhaps you will never admit it, just that!) that what manualman said was true, there were a vast collection of Greek philosophy and other more civilized culture around the Arabic (which was mainly nomadic Bedouine at the time of Muhammad)with legacy that was taken and reshaped or more likely after developed, later claimed as Islamic.
Obviously you’re not interested in real history…no wonder.

That is not right. The church punished Galileo for announcing the spots in the Sun. The Sun was so dear to the church that they could not tolerate it. So the church called Galileo and punished him, even making him blind. galileo begged for mercy but still was not forgiven. Manualman, please tell the truth about Galileo.

Please show the above from your book (bibleNT). Do not invent things yourself.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, **"‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind’. **Isn’t that obvious enough that Christian understanding God should be based on reason, principle and order, as what Jesus suggest that we have to use our mind as well!

You seem to be upset about all the good things done by the Muslims in past ages. I cannot help you. I do not see anything done by the church in the advancement of Science. Every one has worked in science. The Jews, The Hindus, the atheists. But no christian ever did anything from the bible. I agree that science progressed very much when the church stopped fiddling with scientific matters.

Read the book about Christian legacy to the world! While muslims were still rampaging the other part of the globe thinking about more power or more land, Europe was already had all the necessary elements developed by the christian scholar to advanced into the Enlightment era. You pick ur own version of history, planten!
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I ask youa gain to show me that there is no conflict between science and church teachings. Show me that from your book (bibleNT)

See the above quotation from Matthew!

I agree that Muslism are backward in present days. Admitted. But it was not so all the time. There was a time when the princes of your European countries used to come to Spain and take admission in Muslim Institutes. Europe was at that time in dark ages.

You’re still holding to the past…! Keep on doing that muslim, that will lead you nowhere!

 

[Nine_Two]

Planten is claiming the Arabs invented the decimal system?

That’s good for the laugh. Someone who follows a faith originating in India should know better than that.

 

[jen_fla]

jen fla, do not rely on Hadith to malign any one. Even then the Hadith is more reliable than your bibleNT. We know that our books had been infiltrated. That was to mislead us.

It is news for you that all children of Abu bakr were born before the prophet got the first revelation (Wahi.) That was in 610 A.D. So Aisha was born before 610 A.D. Say 608 A.D. The prophet migrated to Madinah in 622 A.D. He married Aisha two years after migration, that was in 624 A.D. That makes the age of Aisha more than 15 years.

Also remember that when the prophet and AbuBakr were migrating to Madinah, it was Aisha who prepared and tied up a bundle of food for her father and the prophet. Do you believe that a four year old girl could do that?
What have you got to say about That?? You can leave those Hadith and also try to pick up another subject, not the dirty subject. I mean think of something good about Muhammad, if you are a good person. The rest is all flaw.

planten, you once typed “we” and i am beginning to think that there are numerous plantens posting.

how can i be maligning anyone by showing you text from your hadith? first you say don’t rely on it, but then you say it’s more reliable than the NT. then you say it has been infiltrated which i assume you mean corrupted which is the claim you make against the Bible. so if you believe both are corrupt then how can you be sure islam is the true religion?

as to your theory about aisha’s age, please show me where you got that from. and yes, an intelligent four year old is capable of picking foods from bushes etc and gathering them up.

then you say "the rest is all flaw. so you admit mohammed has flaws? i doubt you meant to say that, so please tell me what is all flaw.

thanks.

 

[jen_fla]

Planten is claiming the Arabs invented the decimal system?

That’s good for the laugh. Someone who follows a faith originating in India should know better than that.

apparently they invented geometry too!

funny, but sad what’s coming out of the universities these days.

youtube.com/watch?v=JQXh20OuhIc

 

[Nine_Two]

apparently they invented geometry too!

funny, but sad what’s coming out of the universities these days.

youtube.com/watch?v=JQXh20OuhIc

I guess in Plantens world the Arabs invented everything they stole.

 

[Maria65]

That is the truth, described in a few words. But we must not lose hope. I would like a multi-prong attack on the violent Muslims, militarily as well as theologically. The violent ones will be defeated and they will have to leave their bad agenda. There is no other way.

So, you advocate war on your Muslim brothers? Really? That is interesting.

There is another problem about the lack of central authority. God forbid these ignorant Muslims get united under some false leader. They will then do more damage as we have observed recently in few Muslim countries. The ignorant masses can do more damage to peaceful people of other faiths.
The Muslims need a really guided peaceful spiritual leader who has no political motives. I may be wrong. But that is how I feel

Actually, planten, this is the best thing I have heard you say.

 

[mark_a]

That is the truth, described in a few words. But we must not lose hope. I would like a multi-prong attack on the violent Muslims, militarily as well as theologically. The violent ones will be defeated and they will have to leave their bad agenda. There is no other way.

I am happy to read the above post because it is the truth about the masses of present day Muslims. They have many leaders. Most of those leaders are political leaders, not any spiritual leaders. I do not go near any politics or violence.

There is another problem about the lack of central authority. God forbid these ignorant Muslims get united under some false leader. They will then do more damage as we have observed recently in few Muslim countries. The ignorant masses can do more damage to peaceful people of other faiths.
The Muslims need a really guided peaceful spiritual leader who has no political motives. I may be wrong. But that is how I feel.

Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

 

[jen_fla]

I guess in Plantens world the Arabs invented everything they stole.

not to derail, but this might make for another interesting thread to really break this down for everyone.

the young man says they invented “algebra, calligraphy, astronomy, geometry and the modern numerical system. Not the greeks, but muslims.”

Lord help us all.

 

[wwolverine]

Whoever is that person (Chaudary) in UK is totally wrong. There is no violence in Islam. Suicide is Haraam. It is illegal to kill any innocent person indiscriminately. If at all, Islam tries to do justice. Nobody can be killed without proper trial in court.

There is absolutely no credit in the ideas of that chaudary. He is totally wrong. I do not know why the catholics are making that person a hero of Islam. That is bad work.

Dear Planten

How many people will you and muslims will go on saying are wrong? Wrong until they kill non muslims? If Muslims kill muslims as that is the modern trend in Pakistan, we have people saying that those who did the killing are not real muslims, but when they did the same in USA ie Sept 11th, and they do in many places, they are considered as Holy warriors of Islam.

So basically what you say is that any muslim who condemns islamr or kills Muslims is not a muslim, but a muslim who kills kaffirs is a great follower of Islam.