Muslims. Does the Law Really Exist For You?

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Muslims,

we know the following:

1 - Muhammad was permitted (by his allah) to marry his own adopted son’s wife even though its something ghastly ugly even in the eyes of the community during his time.
2 - Muhammad lied about his religion to the quaryish tribesmen and was later absolved of blame.
3 - Muhammad’s killing of his enemies and robbing them was justified under the conditions of war & ‘feudalism’.

SO…if Muhammad can be forgiven or accomodated for wrong doing or simply just classifying these acts as justified under those conditions. What then is the purpose of the law? Would it not mean that the Law does not exist in islam because under certain ‘conditions’ the Law does not even apply.

So what LAW are you really following since sin can be JUSTIFIED?
  • Can I say I rob your family because I am poor and therefore my stealing is approved? Wouldn’t that be making a mockery of the Law? And if I tell you I bring you the Law, wouldn’t that make a mockery of YOU if you follow me since I myself do not follow it or is allowed to bend it to fit my situation.
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**The only person who does not need to be saved from sin, is the one who justifies it. In effect, the person condemns himself by disavowing subjection to God’s judgement. Because to him, he has done no wrong. Neither confession nor repentance is required. Not to mention the Savior Jesus Christ. It is an outright affront to the Salvation Grace of God and really just saying to God that ‘I don’t need your Salvation, you can keep it’. **

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Do you know that Muhammad broke ALL of the 10 commandments?

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
  • The one who brought the Jews out of Egypt declared that His one and only name as Yahweh. Not allah nor rahman. Historians & archaelogists alike have shown that allah is a name of a babylonian pagan idol.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
  • The object in the Ka’aba is an object of worship
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
  • Muslims do not recognize the name of God as Yahweh, instead they replace it with 99 other names and swear upon allah (the name of their deity).
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
  • Sunday being the FIRST day of the week, the Sabbath as observed by the Jews runs from Friday sun down through to Saturday sun down. NOT Thursday through to Friday.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
  • Muhammad’s father died just before he was born. The mother left Muhammad to a foster mother who promptly returned him 2 years later and muhammad’s mother then died when he was 6 years old passing Muhammad to his grandfather who also died 2 years later. Whatever honor he could have brought was short-lived. History left behind his record of crimes & cruelty.
6 “You shall not murder.
  • Broken. Muhammad killed and amputated his enemies.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
  • Broken. Muhammad took his enemies’ wives after killing their husbands.
8 “You shall not steal.
  • Broken. Muhammad robbed caravans and looted merchants.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  • Broken. Bukhari Vol 5, 59.369, Narrated by Jabir bin Abdullah. [4]
    “Allah’s Apostle said ‘ who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashral who has hurt Allah and His Apostle? Muhammed bin Maslama said ‘would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said ‘Yes’. Muhammed bin Maslama said “then allow me to say a false thing” The Prophet said “you may say it’. Mohammed thus broke Commandments #8 and #5.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
  • Broken. Muhammad coveted even his own adopted son’s wife. Kitab al Tabaqat, 8:101-102; Muhammed Ibn Yahya Hayyan narrated: “The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha’s house seeking him. Zainab Bint Hahsh stood up to meet him in a housedress… and the Prophet was filled with admiration for her.” In summary, Zainab talked to Zaid when he came home, and Zaid realised that Mohammed desired his wife so he divorced her. Mohammed conveniently received a revelation Sura 33.37 saying that Allah had married them in Heaven. Also came Sura 33.4 which absolved the practise of adoption in the Muslim world and got Mohammed “out of a jam”.
It is obvious that Muhammad not only broke ALL of the 10 commandments, he also blatantly denies the deity of Christ and justifies his sins & crimes using situational excuses & cultural ‘practices’.

If there is any religion out there that OPENLY STANDS AGAINST God’s saving of mankind through love and grace, it has to be Islam.

It makes a mockery of the Law (Muhammad broke all the 10 commandments), it makes a mockery of sinning (Muhammad’s sins are justified), it makes a mockery of the Salvation Grace through Christ (Muhammad rejects the deity of Jesus).

Islam is Satan’s Answer to God.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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Do you know that Muhammad broke ALL of the 10 commandments?

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
  • The one who brought the Jews out of Egypt declared that His one and only name as Yahweh. Not allah nor rahman. Historians & archaelogists alike have shown that allah is a name of a babylonian pagan idol.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
  • The object in the Ka’aba is an object of worship
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
  • Muslims do not recognize the name of God as Yahweh, instead they replace it with 99 other names and swear upon allah (the name of their deity).
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
  • Sunday being the FIRST day of the week, the Sabbath as observed by the Jews runs from Friday sun down through to Saturday sun down. NOT Thursday through to Friday.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
  • Muhammad’s father died just before he was born. The mother left Muhammad to a foster mother who promptly returned him 2 years later and muhammad’s mother then died when he was 6 years old passing Muhammad to his grandfather who also died 2 years later. Whatever honor he could have brought was short-lived. History left behind his record of crimes & cruelty.
6 “You shall not murder.
  • Broken. Muhammad killed and amputated his enemies.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
  • Broken. Muhammad took his enemies’ wives after killing their husbands.
8 “You shall not steal.
  • Broken. Muhammad robbed caravans and looted merchants.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  • Broken. Bukhari Vol 5, 59.369, Narrated by Jabir bin Abdullah. [4]
    “Allah’s Apostle said ‘ who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashral who has hurt Allah and His Apostle? Muhammed bin Maslama said ‘would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said ‘Yes’. Muhammed bin Maslama said “then allow me to say a false thing” The Prophet said “you may say it’. Mohammed thus broke Commandments #8 and #5.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
  • Broken. Muhammad coveted even his own adopted son’s wife. Kitab al Tabaqat, 8:101-102; Muhammed Ibn Yahya Hayyan narrated: “The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha’s house seeking him. Zainab Bint Hahsh stood up to meet him in a housedress… and the Prophet was filled with admiration for her.” In summary, Zainab talked to Zaid when he came home, and Zaid realised that Mohammed desired his wife so he divorced her. Mohammed conveniently received a revelation Sura 33.37 saying that Allah had married them in Heaven. Also came Sura 33.4 which absolved the practise of adoption in the Muslim world and got Mohammed “out of a jam”.
It is obvious that Muhammad not only broke ALL of the 10 commandments, he also blatantly denies the deity of Christ and justifies his sins & crimes using situational excuses & cultural ‘practices’.

If there is any religion out there that OPENLY STANDS AGAINST God’s saving of mankind through love and grace, it has to be Islam.

It makes a mockery of the Law (Muhammad broke all the 10 commandments), it makes a mockery of sinning (Muhammad’s sins are justified), it makes a mockery of the Salvation Grace through Christ (Muhammad rejects the deity of Jesus).

Islam is Satan’s Answer to God.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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For a people who claim to bring mankind back under the Law through following a rogue who unreservedly violates all of it…it reeks a heavy stench of hypocrisy.
 
I am vehemently opposed to Islam, but really, I think you’re reaching deep in this “broke all 10 commandments” thing.
 
I am vehemently opposed to Islam, but really, I think you’re reaching deep in this “broke all 10 commandments” thing.
:). Its always good to put facts up for discussion.

I always find it extremely shameless for someone (eg. muslims) to tell me that he/she brings me the law when he himself (esp their founder - muhammad) has no sense of shame violating it.

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Seems that our regular muslim poster cannot refute you…
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Seems that our regular muslim poster cannot refute you…
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Seraphime, it may not be a good thing that this thread doesn’t get replies…:). It could be deliberate cos they have no wish to see this thread staring at their face and therefore want it gradually ignored.

That’s how truth often dies…until something really bad happens and people start realising that ‘hey, we were warned of it’.
 
Seems that our regular muslim poster cannot refute you.
I dont want to join your gang to beat up on your wiping boy who this statement inspires in me you are not expecting to change just argument that you will be on the right side of so are edifying your selves at how great you are.

I am not keen to join his gang either as your statement inspires in me you have a gang and he is alone, been their done that at school. Are here still doing it being out numbered by pagans who think killing unborn children and so on.

It could be that he don’t contribute because the Quran says Mohamed (pbuh) was a sinner and to argue with you would have them argue against their scripture.

It could also be because they would not see it kind if you started a thread
“Moses (pbuh) is all bad because he smote Yeshua (pbwh) with a stick” maybe a true thing if i read scripture right but yet so many Jews are kind people and want to spread kindness.

Or if I started a thread Christians believe but don’t talk about how Yeshua (pbwh) ordered the killing of Idol worshippers. A true topic but will hardly spread love nor is it what Christians are called to do.

Or maybe it is just because they are above your trashing and are more like Yeshua (pbwh) than you are or give them credit for. No doubt you have the talk, but i aint seeing the walk.

I am left wondering how many of your gang were bullied at school or are some of you the bullies that never woke up.

Have fun while it lasts i pray for mercy for yas so that bigger bullies dont find you and play un loving or destructive games that satan takes joy in.

Yeshua (pbwh) went fishing for men not fights,
please think about it,
i am posting because i love you not because i love them though i do.

Those partaking in bullying, let me turn the question on you, Christians have a heart for the law does it really exist for you?
Be mindful in scripture we are taught His people can rebel when they hear the law.

I love yous and hate your game, pray well and stay well

“I will be who I will be”, you have free will so choose who you see.
 
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
 
I dont want to join your gang to beat up on your wiping boy who this statement inspires in me you are not expecting to change just argument that you will be on the right side of so are edifying your selves at how great you are.

I am not keen to join his gang either as your statement inspires in me you have a gang and he is alone, been their done that at school. Are here still doing it being out numbered by pagans who think killing unborn children and so on.

It could be that he don’t contribute because the Quran says Mohamed (pbuh) was a sinner and to argue with you would have them argue against their scripture.

It could also be because they would not see it kind if you started a thread
“Moses (pbuh) is all bad because he smote Yeshua (pbwh) with a stick” maybe a true thing if i read scripture right but yet so many Jews are kind people and want to spread kindness.

Or if I started a thread Christians believe but don’t talk about how Yeshua (pbwh) ordered the killing of Idol worshippers. A true topic but will hardly spread love nor is it what Christians are called to do.

Or maybe it is just because they are above your trashing and are more like Yeshua (pbwh) than you are or give them credit for. No doubt you have the talk, but i aint seeing the walk.

I am left wondering how many of your gang were bullied at school or are some of you the bullies that never woke up.

Have fun while it lasts i pray for mercy for yas so that bigger bullies dont find you and play un loving or destructive games that satan takes joy in.

Yeshua (pbwh) went fishing for men not fights,
please think about it,
i am posting because i love you not because i love them though i do.

Those partaking in bullying, let me turn the question on you, Christians have a heart for the law does it really exist for you?
Be mindful in scripture we are taught His people can rebel when they hear the law.

I love yous and hate your game, pray well and stay well

“I will be who I will be”, you have free will so choose who you see.
Brother Stephen John,
I got it that you’re not happy of Christians (me included since I do have some swing move of sometimes seeming tolerant but later on to be uncharitable). Ok, let me tell you something, I live as minority in Indonesia. This time, situation is rather hard even though that the law abide us to accept non racial non religious background issue, but some Muslims here are still trying to get sharia as the law for the state, with terror. This will make all other minorities feeling very much worried. You can all say that we have to preach and act love, but I do believe that if we do trust this to be the higher law, then there are people who had the opposite approach. Should we just shut up and try to reach them with love when they don;t believe such thing?

Ok, perhaps this muslims should not be taken as the representative of the majority of muslims who mostly don’t even bother the differences of religion as long as they’re not being attacked or hurt. But let me tell you, that the internet is not a media when you can be shy when talking about religion. All my entire life I’ve tried to be decent citizen when it comes to religion, me as minority Christian have to silent my mouth if they accuse me of belonging to the people that go astray, of having bad and wrong religion. To any differences of view that seem to me so illogical from my Christian point of view, I have to stay silent and let them get all the approval. Even in public lecture, I have to get my Christian teaching to be ridiculed and nobody ever has the opportunities or courage to fight back. So muslims, eventhough they seem to be nice and gentle (all people have this tendency of using their own conscience), they don’t mind of telling how untrue Christians are, and you tell me that I just have to sit silent?

I’m not going to take arm to fight them, ok. I don’t think that most Chrisitan will do either. But when it comes to a media when everybody could speak their mind, all u need is having a strong and big heart, having your reason and logic to be entertained, and take it or just leave it. It’s nothing personal at all, it’s just a matter of saying the opinion. Why should we just be silent, when we do have all those boggling questions in mind. We’re not trying to be uncharitable, but this is internet, this is not the real life when you really have to show that you’re capable of being civilized. Where else can you have this opportunites? Other muslim poster have also done same tactic, we’re not bothered as long as it’s not a personal attack.

So, SJ, don’t worry, I (and perhaps many christians here) are only using the internet to show opinion, nothing less. And remember, I do have lots of nice muslims friends, by exposing this too here, doesn’t mean that I hate them, not at all. I love them, and I would love to see them to see the other part of world. Remember what Jesus said: the truth will set you free. It’s just we’re not agreed on what’s the truth is (ironically…).

Peace;)
 
Dear seraphime2008,
I see from what you have posted what is behind what was inspired in me from the posts i read.

I pray the best of peace and justice for you.

G-d does allow justice and is always just.

I pray your sharing from the heart gives a clearer message to Muslims, if i were it would.

I did offer you we all have free will, so while it is not my place to lead you i would encourage as best i can see your personal testimony shows fruit of others actions more than corrective speech.

You are one of the encourager to me in other threads given your situation shown here it shows me the might of G-d.

Bless you. stay well
 
Muslims,

we know the following:

1 - Muhammad was permitted (by his allah) to marry his own adopted son’s wife even though its something ghastly ugly even in the eyes of the community during his time.
2 - Muhammad lied about his religion to the quaryish tribesmen and was later absolved of blame.
3 - Muhammad’s killing of his enemies and robbing them was justified under the conditions of war & ‘feudalism’.

SO…if Muhammad can be forgiven or accomodated for wrong doing or simply just classifying these acts as justified under those conditions. What then is the purpose of the law? Would it not mean that the Law does not exist in islam because under certain ‘conditions’ the Law does not even apply.
in islam . eveyone can be forgiven if he repent and did rightious .

anyway , your statement " the Law does not exist in islam because under certain ‘conditions’ the Law does not even apply."

seems to me that putting these words " *under certain conditions *" means that law allready exist
So what LAW are you really following since sin can be JUSTIFIED?
the laws which inform me which and why and when and how the sin can be justified
  • Can I say I rob your family because I am poor and therefore my stealing is approved? Wouldn’t that be making a mockery of the Law? And if I tell you I bring you the Law, wouldn’t that make a mockery of YOU if you follow me since I myself do not follow it or is allowed to bend it to fit my situation.
i agree with you in that . stealing isn’t approved under any circumentance
The only person who does not need to be saved from sin, is the one who justifies it. In effect, the person condemns himself by disavowing subjection to God’s judgement. Because to him, he has done no wrong. Neither confession nor repentance is required. Not to mention the Savior Jesus Christ. It is an outright affront to the Salvation Grace of God and really just saying to God that ‘I don’t need your Salvation, you can keep it’.
it’s enough for me to read this bold statement to recognize how knowldgable in islam you are
 
Welcome to the class of “dancing around the words and their real meaning”
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in islam . eveyone can be forgiven if he repent and did rightious .

anyway , your statement " the Law does not exist in islam because under certain ‘conditions’ the Law does not even apply."

seems to me that putting these words " *under certain conditions *" means that law allready exist
Elwill, thanks for the reply.

Since muhammad broke all these laws and you say that he is forgiven of it. Wouldn’t that make him one of the greatest perpetrator of these laws?

There are many people who have never killed anyone, never robbed anyone, never covetted their neighbor’s wife etc etc. If there’s anyone in the world who would be a better person to exemplify obedience to the law, it certainly wouldn’t be muhammad.

That’s like a man saying…Let me teach you how to respect women…and then he goes on to rape your wife and says that he is forgiven of it. Afterall, everything can be forgiven and he is only teaching you that the law dictates that you must respect your wife (a woman), NOT that he must abide by it and respect its teachings.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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After reading in the internet,
I just know from muslims that Muhammad having been “revealed” the verse from Allah that a muslim can only married max. 4 wives, he asked his companions that had got already 8 wives or even more to divorce those wives to abide to the Islamic law that was just delivered. While he can still maintain those 11 wives (plus …plus so if I’m not mistaken), he instructed others not to do the same. Even when his own daughter was to be taken as second wife, he was not willing to let her (why?).

So, the only answer muslim can answer is that since Muhammad is a prophet and having a very noble quality, he is the only one that can meet the requirement of being just to all his wives and he’s the only one that should be treated differently and given all the privileges.

Wow…that is very convenient of him, I would say.

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Elwill, thanks for the reply.

Since muhammad broke all these laws and you say that he is forgiven of it. Wouldn’t that make him one of the greatest perpetrator of these laws?
i didn’t say that mohammed(pbuh) broke any laws , you are the one who keep saying that
There are many people who have never killed anyone, never robbed anyone, never covetted their neighbor’s wife etc etc. If there’s anyone in the world who would be a better person to exemplify obedience to the law, it certainly wouldn’t be muhammad.
is that means that many of people are better than the prophet moses , david and soloman and many prophets engaged in the wars (peace be upon them all) ?
That’s like a man saying…Let me teach you how to respect women…and then he goes on to rape your wife and says that he is forgiven of it. Afterall, everything can be forgiven and he is only teaching you that the law dictates that you must respect your wife (a woman), NOT that he must abide by it and respect its teachings.
we are not the ones who believe that someone crucified for our sins 😃
 
After reading in the internet,
I just know from muslims that Muhammad having been “revealed” the verse from Allah that a muslim can only married max. 4 wives, he asked his companions that had got already 8 wives or even more to divorce those wives to abide to the Islamic law that was just delivered. While he can still maintain those 11 wives (plus …plus so if I’m not mistaken), he instructed others not to do the same. Even when his own daughter was to be taken as second wife, he was not willing to let her (why?).

So,** the only answer muslim can answer **is that since Muhammad is a prophet and having a very noble quality, he is the only one that can meet the requirement of being just to all his wives and he’s the only one that should be treated differently and given all the privileges.

Wow…that is very convenient of him, I would say.

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although we believe that Muhammad is a prophet and having a very noble quality, he is the only one that can meet the requirement of being just to all his wives but i doubt that you can find that as an answer for your question
 
i didn’t say that mohammed(pbuh) broke any laws , you are the one who keep saying that
You didn’t say it because you don’t know how to say it. Like it or not, I have already proven to you that he broke all the laws.
is that means that many of people are better than the prophet moses , david and soloman and many prophets engaged in the wars (peace be upon them all) ?
Solomon & David are not prophets. The bible never called them prophets. Muhammad killed people not in wars, he killed and maimed people when they insulted him. Your reference is not even valid.
we are not the ones who believe that someone crucified for our sins 😃
I never asked you if you believe in it.

In short, I have already proven to you that muhammad broke all the laws and you don’t have to explain to us why he is not allowed to break all of the laws when someone else breaks some of it. Again, that would be like saying "stop telling me not to stuff faeces in my mouth cos you’re also breathing in bacteria! ". And that from someone who claims to be an advocate of cleanliness.

To me that is an insult to SANCTITY, an insult to human intelligence.

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You didn’t say it because you don’t know how to say it. Like it or not, I have already proven to you that he broke all the laws.
you even didn’t mentioned the laws which was broken !

saying that mohammed broke the laws isn’t a proof that mohammed broke the laws
Solomon & David are not prophets. The bible never called them prophets. Muhammad killed people not in wars, he killed and maimed people when they insulted him. Your reference is not even valid.
okey moses (pbuh) still mentioned as a prophet in the bible , right ?
I never asked you if you believe in it.
i just wanna to say that your mockery is applied to the beliefs of christianity , not islam
In short, I have already proven to you that muhammad broke all the laws and you don’t have to explain to us why he is not allowed to break all of the laws when someone else breaks some of it. Again, that would be like saying "stop telling me not to stuff faeces in my mouth cos you’re also breathing in bacteria! ". And that from someone who claims to be an advocate of cleanliness.
To me that is an insult to SANCTITY, an insult to human intelligence.
you mentioned nothing required any explaination
you are talking generally about your openion , not more not less
i can’t see specific case in you argument to discuss
 
you even didn’t mentioned the laws which was broken !
I didn’t??? Go re-read what is in the 2nd post of this thread.
okey moses (pbuh) still mentioned as a prophet in the bible , right ?
You seem conveniently blind to what I typed. Moses joined in wars to fight. Muhammad killed and maimed people who insulted him and those are OUTSIDE of wars.
i just wanna to say that your mockery is applied to the beliefs of christianity , not islam
I just want to tell you that what I or what you say is not important. What is important is FACT. And the fact is muhammad broke all the laws which he shamelessly claim to advocate.
you mentioned nothing required any explaination
you are talking generally about your openion , not more not less
i can’t see specific case in you argument to discuss
What can you not see?

1 - You cannot see that muhammad broke the 10 commandments.
2 - You cannot see that muhammad’s lame excuses for failing in compliance show him to be an enemy of the Law.
3 - You cannot see that muhammad is therefore in NO POSITION to be a bringer of the Law.

That is probably the reason why you remain a muslim. Because you cannot even see the complete failures in muhammad which stare you pointblank in your face.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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