Muslims. Does the Law Really Exist For You?

[planten]

The thread is about muslims, about our law. Our Law tells us that:

There is no God but Yahweh. I agree because Yahweh is the God of the Jews and it is equivalent to Allah. No harm at all.

Allah is Yehweh and Yahweh is Allah. Jesus is niether Yahweh nor Alla****h. Come to that. If in doubt please ask the Jews if Jesus is Yahweh.

We Muslims have no problem with Abraham or Moses or Jesus. But the protestants have some problems with David and Soloman. They say they are not prophets of God. That is a silly idea.

If they are not prophets then why are their books a great part of the bible?? We have all the problems with the present day christians and their thinking of partiality (bias). Otherwise we are content with teh law of Moses.

We believe in only two laws and the real teachings of Jesus. We believe in the law given to Moses and the law given to Muhammad. Jesus was never given any law. He did not bring any new law. He only tried to interpret the law of Moses for which he was punished by the Jews and put on the cross.

Jesus was the true Messiah.

 

[Mosacked]

The thread is about muslims, about our law. Our Law tells us that:

There is no God but Yahweh. I agree because Yahweh is the God of the Jews and it is equivalent to Allah. No harm at all.

Allah is Yehweh and Yahweh is Allah. Jesus is niether Yahweh nor Alla****h. Come to that. If in doubt please ask the Jews if Jesus is Yahweh.

We Muslims have no problem with Abraham or Moses or Jesus. But the protestants have some problems with David and Soloman. They say they are not prophets of God. That is a silly idea.

If they are not prophets then why are their books a great part of the bible?? We have all the problems with the present day christians and their thinking of partiality (bias). Otherwise we are content with teh law of Moses.

We believe in only two laws and the real teachings of Jesus. We believe in the law given to Moses and the law given to Muhammad. Jesus was never given any law. He did not bring any new law. He only tried to interpret the law of Moses for which he was punished by the Jews and put on the cross.

Jesus was the true Messiah.

Planten,

If someone insists on saying that Obama is actually Suu Kyi of Myanmar, then that person must first PROVE that it is true. Right?

Can he/she prove that the two are the same? Firstly, Is Obama female like Suu Kyi? No. Is Obama single like Suu Kyi? No. Is Obama yellow, like Suu Kyi? No.

So, we know conclusively that Obama is NOT Suu Kyi. Right? This is COMMON SENSE. We humans have something called brain that we must use to do ourselves justice.

Now, can anyone say that allah, the idol of the muslims is actually the powerful Jewish God, or that Jesus is only a prophet?

The answer is no. Why?

1 - The God in the Torah ALREADY told us that His one and ONLY name is Yahweh, but allah’s other 98 names does not even include that.
2 - The God in the Torah ALREADY said he finds re-marriages DISGUSTING but allah doesn’t…in fact it encourages re-marriages.
3 - The God in the Torah SPECIALLY saved the descendants of Isaac in the exodus with one of the greatest miracles ever performed (none for Ishmael), but allah insists that Isaac is not the one it will save.

As to why we know that Jesus is not ‘just’ a prophet, we have to rely on what Jesus Himself said. Not what you or your friends or relatives are saying about Him.

And what did Jesus say?- “I and the Father are one”

You see you can say anything you want about a person or thing or even God. But what does the person or thing or God say about themselves? And what they say earlier must definitely carry more what than what you subsequently try to refute because they made their stand clearly FIRST.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

.

 

[seraphime2008]

You are going off track. Light was seen by Paul after Jesus left the field. Paul was struck blind by that light.

Yeah…but when Paul saw Jesus, he understood what he saw…Jesus didn’t make Himself a mysterious being, Paul was not even feeling suicidal about that incident. Not like Muhammad who felt so much depressed by the appearance of the “angel”, he was even reported to be suicidal!

Muhammad came 600 years after Jesus when all that Jesus had taught was gone with the wind. Nothing original was left of the faith except the name of Jesus. Muhammad never blamed or ridiculed Jesus. Show me anything adverse from the Quran. You will not find it.

Muhammad did ridicule Jesus by stating in Koran that Jesus had never been died by crucifixion, let alone resurrected. That Jesus us not the Son of God, that Jesus was just a mere prophet sent to Jew. It’s the most ridicoluous and blatant attempt on Islam to put Christianity and Jesus as liars…! Don’t you see that?

Outside of the christianity, there is no faith on earth of any kind and no person other than Muhammad who gave recognition and respect to Jesus. Look at te Jews,the Hindus, The Budhists.Bring anything, any word from their sacred books about Jesus.You will not find a good word or even any word at all. Go ahead and search and then come back with some good words from other faiths original books please.
So it better to respect Muhammad. Othrwise you will lose the little credibility that you have for christianity in the world.

Planten, there’s no use that Islam recognize and respect (what respect actually??) Jesus if it also tells that Christians and Jesus are liars! The Jews didn’t recognized Jesus because they are still looking for Messiah, but they do believe the reality of the life of Jesus and his death on the cross. The Hindus and the Buddhist had existed earlier in some other part of the world before Christ and of course even before Islam came to the world. Now your argument brings them guilty since they don’t recognize Muhammad, they ridiculed Muhammad?

Muhamamd is a pillar for all faiths. All previous prophets had foretold about the coming of Muhammad. Even Jesus, whenever he may have said to preach to all nations was a good news for the coming of Muhammad after himself. Jesus left that message for you in the bible. But you put all that under a blanket and started saying that Muhammad was guided by the Satan.

What…what a big statement that you made saying all previous propehts had foretold Muhammad’s coming…Please elaborate on this…!!!
Not all Christian would say that Muhammad was guided by satan…(except some would insist…), but the problem lies in that there were so many things that Koran introduced was so very-very different than the previous messages and you accused Christ and all his apostles were liars…!

You can’t say that Jesus was just a mere genius prophet, because if you can only say that and deny his mission, his life, his death, his words, it means that you have accepted Jesus as a liar as well as prophet! You can’t have both!

For Christian we don;t have such problems, we deny that Muhammad was a prophet, so we could always say that he might lie to u, or someone else had made him lie to you! I hope u understand that.

 

[seraphime2008]

The thread is about muslims, about our law. Our Law tells us that:

There is no God but Yahweh. I agree because Yahweh is the God of the Jews and it is equivalent to Allah. No harm at all.

Allah is Yehweh and Yahweh is Allah. Jesus is niether Yahweh nor Alla****h. Come to that. If in doubt please ask the Jews if Jesus is Yahweh.

We Muslims have no problem with Abraham or Moses or Jesus. But the protestants have some problems with David and Soloman. They say they are not prophets of God. That is a silly idea.

If they are not prophets then why are their books a great part of the bible?? We have all the problems with the present day christians and their thinking of partiality (bias). Otherwise we are content with teh law of Moses.

We believe in only two laws and the real teachings of Jesus. We believe in the law given to Moses and the law given to Muhammad. Jesus was never given any law. He did not bring any new law. He only tried to interpret the law of Moses for which he was punished by the Jews and put on the cross.

Jesus was the true Messiah.

Planten,
have you ever recognized that whenever Jesus taught his disciples and people, He came with the words from His own, all his listeners were in awe when listening to Him. All the law and the teachings came directly from Him with the authority that none of them ever felt before. None of them ever listened to such majesty and authority that they felt as if God himself were present and He didn’t wait to get those teaching to be revealed to Him. All problems about law and rules were brought froth to Him, and did he ever tried to escape that by waiting to get a revelation from God to get the right answer??
No…because He is the Word of God Himself. He’s how God responded to all those matters. And all those teachings have the eternal value that no one can ever dispute!!!

Now compare this to Muhammad, all the revelations that he got were all necessary answer to the problems that he was facing but he waited until he got sort of answer or more likely solutions to the problems (even personal problems!) that he faced by a so called revelation. He had got to hide in the cave first to be alone, even waited until the problem emerged to make a law , even a law that was different that the previous law he enacted. He even made law that put a sanction to people who bothered him for things that he would find annoying…what a convenient job of law maker he enjoyed so much…

I guess, you can see the stark different!

 

[Mosacked]

Planten,
have you ever recognized that whenever Jesus taught his disciples and people, He came with the words from His own, all his listeners were in awe when listening to Him. All the law and the teachings came directly from Him with the authority that none of them ever felt before. None of them ever listened to such majesty and authority that they felt as if God himself were present and He didn’t wait to get those teaching to be revealed to Him. All problems about law and rules were brought froth to Him, and did he ever tried to escape that by waiting to get a revelation from God to get the right answer??
No…because He is the Word of God Himself. He’s how God responded to all those matters. And all those teachings have the eternal value that no one can ever dispute!!!

Now compare this to Muhammad, all the revelations that he got were all necessary answer to the problems that he was facing but he waited until he got sort of answer or more likely solutions to the problems (even personal problems!) that he faced by a so called revelation. He had got to hide in the cave first to be alone, even waited until the problem emerged to make a law , even a law that was different that the previous law he enacted. He even made law that put a sanction to people who bothered him for things that he would find annoying…what a convenient job of law maker he enjoyed so much…

I guess, you can see the stark different!

Muhammad was unable to advise if salvation is guaranteed.
Muhammad was unable to perform miracles in public view.

The only thing Muhammad was able to answer was why he was allowed to have more than 4 wives, why he is allowed to have sex with biologically infant girls, why he is allowed to sleep with his son’s ex-wife, why he is allowed to kill people in cold blood and why he was excused for promoting the idols in Ishaq 166.

The guy knew how to justify his sins, but he doesn’t know where he’s going after his physical death.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

.

 

[seraphime2008]

Planten…
What I see from Muslims is they are trying to make all justified effort to make Muhammad as the final prophet for all people.
While Christ and the Christians offer salvation through Jesus for the whole world, we are told that actually God Himself that will bring people to repent and turn to Christ, so it’s not the effort of human being that will mostly be involved, but the work of God. We don’t want to make the forceful effort for this,just offer, but how about Islam?
What is the benefit of accepting Muhammad as prophet if it doesn’t bring salvation, peace and joy to people?

Don’t just argue and argue,
If Islam can only bring law that would not make a better society, what’s the use of it?
See the muslim country, can we see that their law make them a better society? No…I’m not going to make too narrow observation, but the West of course with their foundation of Christianity can now be seen as most affluent countries.
And it seems that the Buddhist and Hindu who live in Japan, China, Korea etc can make better countries as well. So what about the muslim/islamic country? What can we see from them? You answer that by yourself.
I also live in country where muslim is the majority, I almost loose hope to see this country would reach equality with the developed countries. Why? Because most people here, the muslims pay attention more on the ritual of Islam to be seen as most noble and most respected men or women, but abandoning the truth because they don;t see that corruption, prejudice, self rightiousness , intolerance, family values, should be addressed more than those ritual that was guaranteed by islam to free them from sin.

So Planten,
I understand that you will bring same weapon and argument again and again, since you still belong to Islam. But there’s no one actually would be responsible for you but you yourself, and you’re not to be responsible to any of the teaching of Islam, since it should be able to defend you. Should it not, you should ask yourself.

Peace and bless to you.

 

[qwerk]

For a people who claim to bring mankind back under the Law through following a rogue who unreservedly violates all of it…it reeks a heavy stench of hypocrisy.

Acknowledging that Muhammad is a sinner is just a deflection, or an excuse, because what Muhammad did was inexcusable. All of the commandments that he broke were done AFTER, about 10-13 years AFTER he started Islam. The example he set is based on the years that he BROKE the commandments. They still look to him as their perfect man that they try to emulate. Way too often in their laws and texts it says to follow Muhammad what he did, such as war against the non-Muslims which is the first line of the explanation of Jihad in Sharia laws (o9).

And Matthew sums it up perfectly since Muhammad told his followers to follow his example. Matthew talks about breaking the least of the commandments, Muhammad broke all of them!

**Matt 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. **

To me one of the most destructive force is the deception in Islam. So many people have converted to Islam based on the lies of it being peaceful and something that it is not. many believe the treaties made with Muslims when in fact they are not to be made with the idea that they will be observed for very long. Muhammad didn’t even try to better himself and we can read where he told his followers to lie.

Ishaq:365 and Tabari VII:94 “Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.’ ‘Say what you like,’ Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N369 Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, “You may say it.”

 

[qwerk]

Muhammad was unable to advise if salvation is guaranteed.
Muhammad was unable to perform miracles in public view.

The only thing Muhammad was able to answer was why he was allowed to have more than 4 wives, why he is allowed to have sex with biologically infant girls, why he is allowed to sleep with his son’s ex-wife, why he is allowed to kill people in cold blood and why he was excused for promoting the idols in Ishaq 166.

The guy knew how to justify his sins, but he doesn’t know where he’s going after his physical death.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

.

He answered that he SAW that women filled up hell. Seems to me that he was well acquainted with hell. Considering that everything that Angel told him was more along the lines of how to get a person into hell than anywhere else.

 

[qwerk]

Muslims can’t even get rid of child marriages because they deem it un-Islamic. So we are to believe that we are misunderstanding Islam or Muhammad? Here is a recent article about this. I can find articles from a lot of countries about this phenomenon in the Muslim world.

If they can’t get rid of this law on child marriages, how are we to believe that the law about Jihad is wrong? To war against the non-Muslims…

This is more than just duality at play here, it is downright deception about what is Islam and what isn’t and who are misunderstanding it and who isn’t.

 

[qwerk]

I have some more about the idea what Muhammad taught is contrary to God’s laws and are immoral.

Matt Chapt 5: 33-37
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:

35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Compare what Jesus said above with what Muhammad taught below.

Ishaq:365 and Tabari VII:94 “Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.’ ‘Say what you like,’ Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N369 Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, “You may say it.”

Here is an article that is very good about not only Jihad but the deception and it being used to lull people into thinking that Islam is peaceful.

 

[Mosacked]

Muslims can’t even get rid of child marriages because they deem it un-Islamic. So we are to believe that we are misunderstanding Islam or Muhammad? Here is a recent article about this. I can find articles from a lot of countries about this phenomenon in the Muslim world.

If they can’t get rid of this law on child marriages, how are we to believe that the law about Jihad is wrong? To war against the non-Muslims…

This is more than just duality at play here, it is downright deception about what is Islam and what isn’t and who are misunderstanding it and who isn’t.

Why would child marriages be un-islamic when the founder muhammad himself married an infant barely 6 years of age and had sex with her when she was only 9 ???

It is more a struggle within the better-sighted muslims who realise within themselves that it is an un-natural and pedophilic act to even consider child marriages. However, they will have to break through their huge barriers of islamic imams who totally submit to muhammad’s pedophile policies as written in the quran & hadiths.

If they can out-law child-marriages in their islamic countries, it will mean the end of islam, because that would be a BIG slap right in the face of muhammad’s practices.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

 

[qwerk]

Why would child marriages be un-islamic when the founder muhammad himself married an infant barely 6 years of age and had sex with her when she was only 9 ???

It is more a struggle within the better-sighted muslims who realise within themselves that it is an un-natural and pedophilic act to even consider child marriages. However, they will have to break through their huge barriers of islamic imams who totally submit to muhammad’s pedophile policies as written in the quran & hadiths.

If they can out-law child-marriages in their islamic countries, it will mean the end of islam, because that would be a BIG slap right in the face of muhammad’s practices.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

I might have written the sentence wrong. It is un-Islamic to get rid of them. I don’t see or read about any Muslims working to change this sort of thing in their laws.

 

[planten]

Why would child marriages be un-islamic when the founder muhammad himself married an infant barely 6 years of age and had sex with her when she was only 9 ???

It is more a struggle within the better-sighted muslims who realise within themselves that it is an un-natural and pedophilic act to even consider child marriages. However, they will have to break through their huge barriers of islamic imams who totally submit to muhammad’s pedophile policies as written in the quran & hadiths.

If they can out-law child-marriages in their islamic countries, it will mean the end of islam, because that would be a BIG slap right in the face of muhammad’s practices.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

There was a famous christian philosophr Octogenarian.
Some one asked him the secret of his longevity.

He replied, “I did not go near the wine and woman before the age of eleven (11).”

 

[qwerk]

There was a famous christian philosophr Octogenarian.
Some one asked him the secret of his longevity.

He replied, “I did not go near the wine and woman before the age of eleven (11).”

Bad men exist in every society and every social level. We do not make it ok to take 11 yr olds as wives, we do not say it is ok to marry a baby as young as 1 yr old and make her a wife therefore ignoring the label of pediphile on the man. On the whole we find it repugnant and work to put pediphiles in jails, not ignoring it or using tu quoque excuses to justify pediphilia in any religion or political party.

This is where Islam splits with other religions and our political sense. #1, Islam is politics and #2 if Muhammad did it then it is ok no matter what he did. I probably should add that #3. if anyone says differently and even hints that Muhammad was a sick guy for doing it then in Muslim societies the non-Muslims are convicted of high crimes of treason and killed. Sharia laws say to do that.

Because we do not inhibit our people from learning the sciences, psychology, and philosophy (philosophy is considered a type of sorcery and therefore prohibited), we have advanced to realize that a young girl can be damaged for the rest of her life by men’s pediphilia behaviors both physically and psychologically. Women are just considered property in Islam so therefore don’t get a lot of considerations.

It is a very telling statement how a society treats their women. I don’t know any animal that treats their animals as badly as Muhammad and his followers, Sharia laws, treat their women. They blame women for what is in their own hearts and minds if it is bad. They blame women if they get beaten up, raped, or killed. It is the same sort of thinking of blaming the non-Muslim for wars because they reject Islam, but that is how Jihad and war is defined too. Meaning that if the non-Muslim rejects Islam through daawa then war must ensue and it is their own fault for it happening.

 

[Steven_John]

I am pondering of images i have seen of a powerful Roman who is said to have seen Yeshua (pbwh) [post resurrection] and converted to Christianity.
I have images of many calling themselves Christians (not saying they are not) praying to him.
I see he is one who made Christian Rome religion, i see him as gathering men to decide on what Christians believe.
Does any one have a name that may fit this description?

I speak of this because we have been discussing breaking and keeping laws.
I know he was not said to be Muslim but the thread has lots of non Muslim keeping and breaking the law examples.

Did this man stop all Romans shedding blood after his vision?

 

[qwerk]

I am pondering of images i have seen of a powerful Roman who is said to have seen Yeshua (pbwh) [post resurrection] and converted to Christianity.
I have images of many calling themselves Christians (not saying they are not) praying to him.
I see he is one who made Christian Rome religion, i see him as gathering men to decide on what Christians believe.
Does any one have a name that may fit this description?

I speak of this because we have been discussing breaking and keeping laws.
I know he was not said to be Muslim but the thread has lots of non Muslim keeping and breaking the law examples.

Did this man stop all Romans shedding blood after his vision?

Constatine is the guy you are thinking of.

To me he reminds me of Muhammad in using Jesus as to why he won a battle, or battles. And no, the blood baths didn’t stop. At least not right away. I don’t remember too much about him.

Muhammad used Allah. He said that his followers were outnumbered but the angels that were with them would guarantee a victory.

 

[Steven_John]

Constatine is the guy you are thinking of.

To me he reminds me of Muhammad in using Jesus as to why he won a battle, or battles. And no, the blood baths didn’t stop. At least not right away. I don’t remember too much about him.

Muhammad used Allah. He said that his followers were outnumbered but the angels that were with them would guarantee a victory.

thats pretty close to what He was showing me, do many of those who are now moved from us call him a saint? (not saint in the biblical meaning but as on the living can pray to?)

 

[Steven_John]

Its ok i know of this Augustus (Caesar Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus?

He is one of the great sources of Christian for father belief.

He made gathering of the Christians he saw as having power.

Lots of Christian faith was documented by this manss facilitation. I ponder if it were not for him would the Catholic Church ever needed VatII or would they have already been living it.

Dont think if your not Catholic you are fully away from him.
Many were found heretic from the outcomes of his councils.
Some divisions of Christianity today comes from the same spirit as this Caesar.

He has had many pray to him, taught to pray through him over time, but today is lower in popularity of humans seeking him mainly sought by the very old, though he does get some large gatherings periodically of well meaning people of various ages.

To answer my own question he was and is considered a saint of this world by some.

 

[qwerk]

thats pretty close to what He was showing me, do many of those who are now moved from us call him a saint? (not saint in the biblical meaning but as on the living can pray to?)

I don’t look at him as a Saint, and I don’t pray to him. I don’t know that much about him. One thing I can tell you that I don’t pray to any of the Saints. And the last thing I would pray to is Islam’s Allah. That would be praying to Lucifer. I think that Allah is Muhammad’s alter ego, and the Angel that Muhammad claimed to have seen was Lucifer who we are told in the Bible will disguise himself as an Angel of Light.

But as for Constantine, why are you bringing him up? You are the one who gets all upset for not following the topic why are you changing it?

 

[planten]

Bad men exist in every society and every social level. **We do not **make it ok to take 11 yr olds as wives, **we do not say **it is ok to marry a baby as young as 1 yr old and make her a wife therefore ignoring the label of pediphile on the man. On the whole we find it repugnant and work to put pediphiles in jails, not ignoring it or using tu quoque excuses to justify pediphilia in any religion or political party.

qwerk, you are a protestant. You should be protesting against the free sex (abuse) in your society instead of finding faults with others.

This is where Islam splits with other religions and our political sense. #1, Islam is politics and #2 if Muhammad did it then it is ok no matter what he did. I probably should add that #3. if anyone says differently and even hints that Muhammad was a sick guy for doing it then in Muslim societies the non-Muslims are convicted of high crimes of treason and killed. Sharia laws say to do that.

I slam is totally non-political. But if any one comes near islam politically, it doe snot offer the other cheek.

Because we do not inhibit our people from learning the sciences, psychology, and philosophy (philosophy is considered a type of sorcery and therefore prohibited), **we have advanced to realize **that a young girl can be damaged for the rest of her life by men’s pediphilia behaviors both physically and psychologically. Women are just considered property in Islam so therefore don’t get a lot of considerations.

Exactly when did you advance and realise?? In What year?? In what year did you surrender to the truth of Science??? And stopped meddling in the affairs of science.??

It is a very telling statement how a society treats their women. I don’t know any animal that treats their animals as badly as Muhammad and his followers, Sharia laws, treat their women. They blame women for what is in their own hearts and minds if it is bad. They blame women if they get beaten up, raped, or killed. It is the same sort of thinking of blaming the non-Muslim for wars because they reject Islam, but that is how Jihad and war is defined too. Meaning that if the non-Muslim rejects Islam through daawa then war must ensue and it is their own fault for it happening.

Islam did not teach any bad thing. It taught to treat the ladies in the best way with love. But your protestant faith did not teach anything good or positive to any one. Have you got any of your own book. I feel that you are feeding your men on the book of the Jews and catholics.