Muslims. Does the Law Really Exist For You?

[Steven_John]

I don’t look at him as a Saint, and I don’t pray to him.

Same for me the bible narrates Yeshua (pbwh) taught us to pray to Our Father the same as he did. I do have understanding why others do different and respect they want to seek G-d.

I don’t know that much about him. One thing I can tell you that I don’t pray to any of the Saints. And the last thing I would pray to is Islam’s Allah. That would be praying to Lucifer. I think that Allah is Muhammad’s alter ego, and the Angel that Muhammad claimed to have seen was Lucifer who we are told in the Bible will disguise himself as an Angel of Light.

I too question some Muslims view of who G-d is. But they all claim to be seeking the G-d of Abraham (pbuh) and say they rebuke Satan. How well they see i guess is personal. Christians don’t agree on all things either.
Also I dont natively speak Arabic so am not really in a position to comment as you can.

But as for Constantine, why are you bringing him up? You are the one who gets all upset for not following the topic why are you changing it?

Just saw the parallel as you too did.

He shed blood supposedly for the G-d of Abraham (pbuh).

Mohamed (pbuh) shed blood supposedly for the G-d of Abraham (pbuh).

If shedding blood proves one absolutely against G-d then all from both is ungodly.

Sorry if i went off topic but saw others comparing those outside of Islamic religion.

Sorry to have been in your way and i do see i have led away from the topic including dragging you with me.

Peace and blessings

 

[Wildkit]

Mosacked / Seraphine2008:

Your statements and logic are such that it is unfortunate that there are not more Moslem posters to respond to the questions, yet when there are no answers, I guess it is easy to see why there are limited responses by different folks. I believe I have learned a great deal!

 

[qwerk]

qwerk, you are a protestant. You should be protesting against the free sex (abuse) in your society instead of finding faults with others.

I slam is totally non-political. But if any one comes near islam politically, it doe snot offer the other cheek.

Exactly when did you advance and realise?? In What year?? In what year did you surrender to the truth of Science??? And stopped meddling in the affairs of science.??

Islam did not teach any bad thing. It taught to treat the ladies in the best way with love. But your protestant faith did not teach anything good or positive to any one. Have you got any of your own book. I feel that you are feeding your men on the book of the Jews and catholics.

You tell me what to do while you sit on your behind and do nothing to change what goes on in the Muslim world against humanity? Go practice what you preach. Especially concerning free sex in Islam. All a man has to do is marry a baby and the Muslims think that is ok. It is abuse of the worse kind, sexual abuse.

You do nothing to stop slavery. And the physical and sexual abuse of children goes on and you tell me what to do? What have you done to change Sharia laws in Islam? Nothing? Those are the laws allowing pediphilia under the name of marriage, or slavery, or war just because people are not Muslim. Don’t tell me otherwise because the first line of the description of Jihad is ‘…to war against the non-Muslim…’ and it explains it is their fault because they reject Islam.

Islam is nothing but political when it says to advance Islam through war or deception. When it enforces its laws on to others of other religions and force them to obey Islam’s laws. In fact, that is another abuse onto people to do such a thing.

Beat women, raping women after killing the men in their family, taking their children as slaves, aiming for women in children in wartime, etc are not treating women in a good way. Telling women they have half a brain, that they have no rights in cases of divorce in child custody, have to have 4 believers as witnesses if they are raped or they are treated as the adulterer which means they will be killed, etc.

The translations of the Quran have the word ‘lightly’ when talking about beating women, not in Arabic.

It is mostly depending on the man and his disposition if he treats his wife ok. If a man is a thuggish brute then that woman can be beaten. And there is nothing in the Quran to protect a woman from being honor killed. We are told that it is not Islamic but when Sharia laws do nothing to the guy who does it, then it is very much Islamic.

 

[spn82756]

There was a famous christian philosophr Octogenarian.
Some one asked him the secret of his longevity.

He replied, “I did not go near the wine and woman before the age of eleven (11).”

Octogenarian means someone that is 80 years old.

 

[TheLastProfit]

Muhammad also never had a Temple or High Preist. He never offered blood sacrifice for his sins and he didn’t have a red heffer.

 

[qwerk]

Muhammad also never had a Temple or High Preist. He never offered blood sacrifice for his sins and he didn’t have a red heffer.

Can you imagine all of Muhammad’s sins! Seriously - herds upon herds of animals would have had to be sacrificed.

 

[Steven_John]

Can you imagine all of Muhammad’s sins! Seriously - herds upon herds of animals would have had to be sacrificed.

The bible teaches me that any sin is sin, quantifying sins of others does not reduce my sin. Experience teaches me quantifying sins of others reflects on my own character.

Peace and blessings

 

[Mosacked]

Mosacked / Seraphine2008:

Your statements and logic are such that it is unfortunate that there are not more Moslem posters to respond to the questions, yet when there are no answers, I guess it is easy to see why there are limited responses by different folks. I believe I have learned a great deal!

Wildkit, no answers because in the face of truth, evil can only seeth in fear & anger.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[qwerk]

The bible teaches me that any sin is sin, quantifying sins of others does not reduce my sin. Experience teaches me quantifying sins of others reflects on my own character.

Peace and blessings

I was making a joke. You put a thief on the same level of being a mass murderer and torturer of people, an enslaver, and so many other atrocities? But from a different thread I see you would rather ignore that like the Muslims that I have come across on many websites and many forums do.

I am not God and I have no idea where Muhammad ended up. But if Ali Sina is correct and Muhammad had a lot of those mental disorders plus a few physical disorders according to what the Koran and hadith say, then it is not for us to judge him. It isn’t for us to judge him if he was normal, but we can certainly judge his Islam! and his actions and words that are very disturbing! It is very telling of the men who chose to follow him and do what he said though. They are sort of on the same level as the men who surrounded Stalin and Mao. These first men of Communism were not brainwashed in the ideology of communism just as the first followers of Muhammad were not brainwashed into the ideology of Islam.

All this love-dove stuff is fine and dandy, and it doesn’t mean we cannot criticize Islam.

Matt 5: 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

this one is very telling if one pushes the ideology of Islam as being correct because Muhammad taught his followers to lie if it advanced Islam, to kill for Allah’s purposes, to rape women who were married if they were captured after they killed the men in their family and enslaved, and many more nasty things.

Matt 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Steven_John]

I was making a joke.

i did not find it funny.

You put a thief on the same level of being a mass murderer and torturer of people, an enslaver, and so many other atrocities?

I put them the same as you are called to

But from a different thread I see you would rather ignore that like the Muslims that I have come across on many websites and many forums do.

No need for me to read more of this post then if it belongs in another thread that’s where you will find its answer. plus i have no idea of the meaning you assert using “that”

Bless you

 

[Mosacked]

I was making a joke. You put a thief on the same level of being a mass murderer and torturer of people, an enslaver, and so many other atrocities? But from a different thread I see you would rather ignore that like the Muslims that I have come across on many websites and many forums do.

I am not God and I have no idea where Muhammad ended up. But if Ali Sina is correct and Muhammad had a lot of those mental disorders plus a few physical disorders according to what the Koran and hadith say, then it is not for us to judge him. It isn’t for us to judge him if he was normal, but we can certainly judge his Islam! and his actions and words that are very disturbing! It is very telling of the men who chose to follow him and do what he said though. They are sort of on the same level as the men who surrounded Stalin and Mao. These first men of Communism were not brainwashed in the ideology of communism just as the first followers of Muhammad were not brainwashed into the ideology of Islam.

All this love-dove stuff is fine and dandy, and it doesn’t mean we cannot criticize Islam.

Matt 5: 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

this one is very telling if one pushes the ideology of Islam as being correct because Muhammad taught his followers to lie if it advanced Islam, to kill for Allah’s purposes, to rape women who were married if they were captured after they killed the men in their family and enslaved, and many more nasty things.

Matt 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Qwerk, the objective of your partner in conversation is to defend lies. I’m glad you have noticed that he jumps in defense of islam using weird logic and chastises christianity using christianity’s claims of tolerance & love whenever you or anyone else exposes the crimes & sins of islam.

The analogy can be likened to someone who comes up to you and calls himself your brother when you’re busy fighting off a rogue that’s attacking your house. But this ‘brother’ keeps distracting you from your endeavor in his attempt to create opportunities for your foe.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[qwerk]

Qwerk, the objective of your partner in conversation is to defend lies. I’m glad you have noticed that he jumps in defense of islam using weird logic and chastises christianity using christianity’s claims of tolerance & love whenever you or anyone else exposes the crimes & sins of islam.

The analogy can be likened to someone who comes up to you and calls himself your brother when you’re busy fighting off a rogue that’s attacking your house. But this ‘brother’ keeps distracting you from your endeavor in his attempt to create opportunities for your foe.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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yeah, that is why I questioned on a different thread, or maybe this one, him being a Christian. He posts like the Muslims do and his answers are similar to what I have experienced on different blogs. Quite often I don’t feel all that ‘peace, love dove’ either. I am laughing as I wrote that.

He talked about the sin of Jews, but passes the murdering thug called Muhammad and equated all his behaviors with that of a mere thief. And no, I don’t equate them equally. Although Muhammad was also a thief in his list of atrocities and he had a man tortured for stealing what he stole I don’t look at stealing as equal to murder and neither do the laws of sane nations and sane peoples of those nations who sit on juries and serve as judges and other officers of the courts.

The Bible says if a person teaches against the least of the commandments then he is wrong. And I am not going to judge a man or woman’s soul anyway so I just leave that to God.

I already checked out that link and liked it. I commented about it on one of these threads.

 

[TheLastProfit]

He talked about the sin of Jews, but passes the murdering thug called Muhammad and equated all his behaviors with that of a mere thief. And no, I don’t equate them equally. .

refer to laws 6 and 8.

 

[spn82756]

I had replied to these questions. These commands were not for Muhammad. They were for Moses and Jesus and followers of Jesus. Now you please tell me if Moses or his followers or the followers of Jesus (i.e. The catholics) obeyed the above command??? Did they not kill any one??.

Before you accuse Muhammad, please look in your own home.

Muhammad did not commit adultry. There is severe punishment for adultry in Islam. But there is no punishment for adultry in catholics. Why??

Muhammad did not steal anything from any one. But he punished the thieves and dacoits. He fought the culprits. He did not offer the other cheek to the culprits. What reason you have to voluntrily give another coat to some one who is robbing you of one coat??

Muhammad told every one to tell the truth. He said that the greatest Jihad is to speak the truth even before a tyrant king. But you have no teaching which supports the truth.

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You have no rule for marriage and divorce. You have said good-bye to the laws of Moses. So you are on your own now without any specific laws. Therefore I do not discuss any marriage matters with Catholics. They have no rules, no laws.

The Catholics invented a self rule of one man one wife and they built a false law against divorce under all circumstances. Jesus had not taught that. Jesus had left some allowance for divorce. Divorce was allowed amongst the Jews too.

Why did christians make their own new rule?? And that rule failed because it was un-natural. It was against the will of God. That is why the christians started running to the courts for divorce because their religion did not allow divorce. I believe that was a mutiny and the end of Christian faith. Your own people rebelled against your misconcieved faith.

I have not run away.I have given you food for thought if you could use it. I ask you. The Ten commandments were for you and the Jews. Not for Muslims. **Why did you christians openly abondon those commands **and why did your people say that law was a curse??. The law given to Moses was curse?? There is no greater abuse of the law than saying that law is curse.

mohammad talked to Satan…why listen to mohammad>

 

[spn82756]

planten:

You have no rule for marriage and divorce. You have said good-bye to the laws of Moses. So you are on your own now without any specific laws. Therefore I do not discuss any marriage matters with Catholics. They have no rules, no laws.

The Catholics invented a self rule of one man one wife and they built a false law against divorce under all circumstances. Jesus had not taught that. Jesus had left some allowance for divorce. Divorce was allowed amongst the Jews too.

Why did christians make their own new rule?? And that rule failed because it was un-natural. It was against the will of God. That is why the christians started running to the courts for divorce because their religion did not allow divorce. I believe that was a mutiny and the end of Christian faith. Your own people rebelled against your misconcieved faith.

Planten? No rules about marriage in the CC? Try starting with paragraph 1601 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Once again…you are speaking from the south side of yourself.

 

[spn82756]

planten:

You have no rule for marriage and divorce. You have said good-bye to the laws of Moses. So you are on your own now without any specific laws. Therefore I do not discuss any marriage matters with Catholics. They have no rules, no laws.

The Catholics invented a self rule of one man one wife and they built a false law against divorce under all circumstances. Jesus had not taught that. Jesus had left some allowance for divorce. Divorce was allowed amongst the Jews too.

Why did christians make their own new rule?? And that rule failed because it was un-natural. It was against the will of God. That is why the christians started running to the courts for divorce because their religion did not allow divorce. I believe that was a mutiny and the end of Christian faith. Your own people rebelled against your misconcieved faith.

Planten? No rules about marriage in the CC? Try starting with paragraph 1601 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Once again…you are speaking from the south side of yourself.

Of course…we don’t subjugate women and circumcise them so they have no pleasure during the marital act. For islam that’s reserved for the demon and his male followers.

 

[Mosacked]

Planten? No rules about marriage in the CC? Try starting with paragraph 1601 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Once again…you are speaking from the south side of yourself.

Of course…we don’t subjugate women and circumcise them so they have no pleasure during the marital act. For islam that’s reserved for the demon and his male followers.

I never really did give thought on the circumcision of women. But now that you mention it I think its rather…duh~

 

[planten]

mohammad talked to Satan…why listen to mohammad>

Muhammad talked to the Holy Spirit only. See Verse 16:102. Quran was revealed to Muhammad by the Holy Spirit. You are calling that Holy Spirit as the devil or Satan. That is a great sin. But you seem not to be afraid of any sins any more.

Remember that Satan (The Dare Devil) talked to Jesus and took Jesus around for forty days. The Satan tried and tempted Jesus. It is all in the bibleNT. Jesus had a good dialogue with Satan. Why did the Satan dare to approach Jesus. It means that Satan had the courage to tempt your god?? Quite funny beliefs, are’nt they???

We Muslims do not believe that Satan tempted Jesus or Mary or Muhammad.

 

[qwerk]

Muhammad talked to the Holy Spirit only. See Verse 16:102. Quran was revealed to Muhammad by the Holy Spirit. You are calling that Holy Spirit as the devil or Satan. That is a great sin. But you seem not to be afraid of any sins any more.

Remember that Satan (The Dare Devil) talked to Jesus and took Jesus around for forty days. The Satan tried and tempted Jesus. It is all in the bibleNT. Jesus had a good dialogue with Satan. Why did the Satan dare to approach Jesus. It means that Satan had the courage to tempt your god?? Quite funny beliefs, are’nt they???

We Muslims do not believe that Satan tempted Jesus or Mary or Muhammad.

#1. We do not follow Islam’s definitions for sin. We are not Muslims and therefore do not follow Muslim’s rules about it.

#2. Many of us have read Islamic texts and realize that it was not the Angel Gabriel who spoke to Muhammad. In fact, Muhammad didn’t even know who did because when he went quivering and shaking to his wife she told him it was an angel. She didn’t see this spirit and had to take Muhammad’s words for it.

#3. The difference between Jesus talking to the devil is that He told him to go away, begone! Muhammad listened to the devil and made Islam from it all. The devil promises earthly wealth and carnal pleasures, and that is what Muhammad got and promised to those who would follow him. He also promised those things in Islam’s heaven if they followed what that dark spirit wanted.

#4. Muhammad twisted up a lot of Biblical stories. It isn’t surprising that he screwed up the story of Jesus.

#5. We are told time and again if anyone preached the opposite of what was taught by Jesus or the Bible that it was evil.

John 2:22 Who is the Liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. Such a man is the Antichrist—he denies the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus).

*Something tells me that if you have posted over 4,000 times you have read this before and it seems to go in one ear and out the other if it goes in at all. I know that I have posted this several times and I don’t think that you care. We do not recognize the Quran as anything other that YOUR scripture, not ours. Many read a lot of problems in it concerning a way to the right path in life, or a right path for our souls. *

Matthew 7 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.

Matthew 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.

Galatians 1
8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!

9 - As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!

 

[Steven_John]

AoA,
I see this thread as moved away from Br Mosacked title assuming he is ok with it i would like to talk further on this quote

We Muslims do not believe that Satan tempted Jesus or Mary or Muhammad.

If Br Mosacked says he does not want it i will humbly move on.

I am not interested in pushing my belief but am interested in discussion with you. As you would know i am interested in sharing.

I am not interested in supporting or refuting the arguments made they have their parties.

I dont know if you mean we Muslims as all Muslims as you are very different to most Muslims i know.

I am not very good at remembering places in scripture books but thought i read Muhammad (pbuh) in the Quran asked for forgivness of sins. Maybe you know a verse like this and could share where i would find it.

Assuming there is a surah who do Muslims you speak of say influenced him to sin?

If appropriate I would appreciate it if we could stay focused just on this

As offered i am keen on some good chat, dont care to prove you right or wrong for me your guidance is for you and Allah, having said that i do care for you and want us to see our parts in the fullness of the one truth.

except for Br Mosacked asking me to move along i wont chat with others in this thread on this question at this stage, pm me if you want.

“I will be what I will be”, you have free will so choose who you see