Muslims: Domestic Violence - a "gentle tap" is ok

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I am not here to defend Islam or Muslims or provide justification to any group or individual. I am here simply representing the organization WhyIslam. I am a Muslim and a member of WhyIslam.

I request you to quote me entirely if you intend to quote any part of what I say.

Does Islam prescribe the capital punishment for those Muslims who convert to another religion? The answer is Yes. Remember that in Islam, Islam is the state. Islam is the millitary, the homeland security, the intelligence, the judiciary, the executive, the everything. This is how Islam is meant to be. It is not a mode of worship alone. So a conversion is considered treason against the state. And treason invites capital punishment in every country of the world including the USA.

Since we do not have a true Islamic state today and no individual can execute capital punishment in Islam, Muslims who convert should never face capital punishment. If they do then that is wrong and is an abuse of Islamic law for politial and other agendas. These stories are for media consumption and have no place in Islam.

I can tell you hundereds of Americans embrace Islam through WhyIslam and a small percentage do go back to their religion. Happens in all religions. No one chases them. One fact for you: Two thirds of all conversions to Islam by Americans are by women.
 
ritewordz said:
I am not here to defend Islam or Muslims or provide justification to any group or individual. I am here simply representing the organization WhyIslam. I am a Muslim and a member of WhyIslam.

I request you to quote me entirely if you intend to quote any part of what I say.

Does Islam prescribe the capital punishment for those Muslims who convert to another religion? The answer is Yes. Remember that in Islam, Islam is the state. Islam is the millitary, the homeland security, the intelligence, the judiciary, the executive, the everything. This is how Islam is meant to be. It is not a mode of worship alone. So a conversion is considered treason against the state. And treason invites capital punishment in every country of the world including the USA.

Since we do not have a true Islamic state today and no individual can execute capital punishment in Islam, Muslims who convert should never face capital punishment. If they do then that is wrong and is an abuse of Islamic law for politial and other agendas. These stories are for media consumption and have no place in Islam.

I can tell you hundereds of Americans embrace Islam through WhyIslam and a small percentage do go back to their religion. Happens in all religions. No one chases them. One fact for you: Two thirds of all conversions to Islam by Americans are by women.
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Are you saying Saudi Arabia’s not an Islamic state?
 
ritewordz said:
I am not here to defend Islam or Muslims or provide justification to any group or individual. I am here simply representing the organization WhyIslam. I am a Muslim and a member of WhyIslam.

I request you to quote me entirely if you intend to quote any part of what I say.

Does Islam prescribe the capital punishment for those Muslims who convert to another religion? The answer is Yes. Remember that in Islam, Islam is the state. Islam is the millitary, the homeland security, the intelligence, the judiciary, the executive, the everything. This is how Islam is meant to be. It is not a mode of worship alone. So a conversion is considered treason against the state. And treason invites capital punishment in every country of the world including the USA.

Since we do not have a true Islamic state today and no individual can execute capital punishment in Islam, Muslims who convert should never face capital punishment. If they do then that is wrong and is an abuse of Islamic law for politial and other agendas. These stories are for media consumption and have no place in Islam.

I can tell you hundereds of Americans embrace Islam through WhyIslam and a small percentage do go back to their religion. Happens in all religions. No one chases them. One fact for you: Two thirds of all conversions to Islam by Americans are by women.
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Punishment for treason in Australia is imprisonment for life.
 
ritewordz said:
One fact for you: Two thirds of all conversions to Islam by Americans are by women.
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Most of them, women who have been quickly suckered into marriage/conversion to a Muslim male. Before they have any time to think about what they’ve done it’s too late. Accounts of this kind of thing abound.
 
rite, once again we see Muslim duplicity. “Oh no we don’t kill apostates”, but you would if you could and you do when you can. Islam is a religion of violence and forces people to join or stay in regardless of their personal conscience. No wonder beating women is part of its dogma.
 
ritewordz said:
I am not here to defend Islam or Muslims or provide justification to any group or individual. I am here simply representing the organization WhyIslam. I am a Muslim and a member of WhyIslam.

I request you to quote me entirely if you intend to quote any part of what I say.

Does Islam prescribe the capital punishment for those Muslims who convert to another religion? The answer is Yes. Remember that in Islam, Islam is the state. Islam is the millitary, the homeland security, the intelligence, the judiciary, the executive, the everything.
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Yes, it even tells Muslims how to have sex the Islamic way and even how to wipe themselves when they go to the bathroom!:rolleyes:
This is how Islam is meant to be. It is not a mode of worship alone. So a conversion is considered treason against the state. And treason invites capital punishment in every country of the world including the USA.
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Jesus said: "Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s! Thus he separated church and state.

Islam is a tyrannical form of government masquerading as a “religion” that doesn’t let its adherents even think for themselves! Everything is spelled out, all they have to do is follow the instructions.
Since we do not have a true Islamic state today and no individual can execute capital punishment in Islam, Muslims who convert should never face capital punishment. If they do then that is wrong and is an abuse of Islamic law for politial and other agendas. These stories are for media consumption and have no place in Islam.
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Saudi Arabia comes to mind. The rest of this statement is nothing more than taqqiya!
I can tell you hundereds of Americans embrace Islam through WhyIslam and a small percentage do go back to their religion. Happens in all religions. No one chases them. One fact for you: Two thirds of all conversions to Islam by Americans are by women.
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Oh, not the Islam is the fastest growing religion bit again! :yawn: It proves nothing! You Muslims must need a lot of reassurance if you need to keep repeating this all the time. Most of those people who convert probably have no idea what they’re letting themselves in for!

Vickie
 
The following video, based on Islamic laws and Mohammed’s dictation, advises Muslims how to treat their women. The prophet of Islam not only compared women with Donkey and Dog (Bukhari V1 B9 N490), he also provided prescription for beating.

Click Here and Here to watch.
 
kellie said:
Punishment for treason in Australia is imprisonment for life.
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Pardon my ignorance. I stand corrected. But the point is still true. That capital punishment for treason has been the norm throughout history accross religions and regions.
 
exoflare said:
Most of them, women who have been quickly suckered into marriage/conversion to a Muslim male. Before they have any time to think about what they’ve done it’s too late. Accounts of this kind of thing abound.
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Not true. Thats the first explaination we get from the sceptics. We maintain records on each reversion just like any church would and have detailed statistics. Less 20% women converts have a Muslim husband in mind at the time of conversion to Islam.
 
deb1 said:
So what exactly does a ‘gentle tap’ mean? Is it a slap in the face, or a pop on the rear? What do you think seperates a gentle tap from spousal abuse?
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I know we are all too busy to read so much. Let me make it easier. Go to the above link and do a browser find for “beat”. Then read point (a) to (f). That should answer your question.
 
cestusdei said:
rite, once again we see Muslim duplicity. “Oh no we don’t kill apostates”, but you would if you could and you do when you can. Islam is a religion of violence and forces people to join or stay in regardless of their personal conscience. No wonder beating women is part of its dogma.
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There is no duplicity. Yes a Muslim state will execute as per Islamic law a Muslim who leaves the religion. No one denies it. Also only a Muslim state can do it. The last semblance of a Muslim state ended in 1921. If a Muslim tries to kill an apostate today, it is Murder not punishment, and the murderer should face a murder trial. As for the beating please read the above post.
 
rite, the point is that you kill or want to kill those who convert to another faith. This makes the “no compulsion in religion” a lie. Your religion also teaches that it’s okay to marry 9 year old girls and beat your wives. Islam is pretty sick.

Fortunately millions of Muslims are learning that Christianity is the religion of light and truth and love. Even a descendant of Muhammed has joined us. Christianity is actually the worlds fastest growing religion and we don’t have to make up figures to prove it.
 
Booklover said:
Yes, it even tells … convert probably have no idea what they’re letting themselves in for!
Vickie
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Pardon me but if you’d like an answer then please specify the question. If you are just stating your opinion then its not my place to change or counter it.

Thank you.
 
cestusdei said:
rite, the point is that you kill or want to kill those who convert to another faith. This makes the “no compulsion in religion” a lie. Your religion also teaches that it’s okay to marry 9 year old girls and beat your wives. Islam is pretty sick.

Fortunately millions of Muslims are learning that Christianity is the religion of light and truth and love. Even a descendant of Muhammed has joined us. Christianity is actually the worlds fastest growing religion and we don’t have to make up figures to prove it.
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Thank you for educating me on what I want and what my religion teaches me.

As for the fastest growing label, the Catholic church was certainly the fastest growing during the Spanish conquest of South America and the Anglican Church during the British colonial period. So was Islam during the two decades after Prophet Muhammad. I am sure Hinduism and Budhism had their days of growth. In my opinion the speed of growth is not always proportional to the “greatness” or “correctness” of a religion. So which is the fastest growing today? I honestly don’t know. I know a Muslim will bring a few resources to support that Islam is the fastest while a Christian will bring some other evidence to support that Christianity is faster growing.

If someone says that Islam is the fastest growing I would think it has to do more with high population growth in most Muslim countries than conversion. Conversion is still a fraction of the growth. So even if Islam was the fastest growing it wouldn’t mean much.

If anybody has any reference to credible figures then please let me know. I am curious and willing to accept any religion as the fastest growing.

Finally, I know a lot of Muslims like to say this but reality is that there are no decendants of Muhammad. Or atleast those who can positively establish thier lineage.
 
ritewordz said:
Not true. Thats the first explaination we get from the sceptics. We maintain records on each reversion just like any church would and have detailed statistics. Less 20% women converts have a Muslim husband in mind at the time of conversion to Islam.
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I know that; they don’t have a “husband” because technically they haven’t gotten married yet to the guy they’re engaged to. Most of the time with those cases, the girl decides to “revert” (which I know Muslims call anyone who converts to Islam :rolleyes: ) sometime before the wedding takes place.
 
rite, they seem to think this guy is a descendant of Muhammed. His life is in danger if he goes back to a Muslim country. Islam keeps it’s numbers up by threatening people with death if they leave. That is a sign of weakness not strength. You have already said you agree with killing those who convert, so I don’t need to educate you. You already know that what I said is true.
 
ritewordz said:
Does Islam prescribe the capital punishment for those Muslims who convert to another religion? The answer is Yes. Remember that in Islam, Islam is the state.
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It is so good to hear this baloney from the mouth of a moslem.

First, you can kill someone who leaves the Islamic faith: that is is the teaching of Islam.

Second, no one should be executed for leaving the Islamic faith because “we do not have a true Islamic state today.”

Of course, Iran and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Somalia (for a few weeks at least) and others will beg to differ with ritewordz:

They kill or sentence to death hundreds every year: check out Amnesty International and other human rights’ websites.

Islam is a lie. Moslems will lie to get you to believe in Islam. All you have to do is say the magic words.
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