Muslims: Domestic Violence - a "gentle tap" is ok

  • Thread starter Thread starter kellie
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I know we are all too busy to read so much. Let me make it easier. Go to the above link and do a browser find for “beat”. Then read point (a) to (f). That should answer your question.
I am thinking that you are referring to the link you posted a few post ago and not some new link?

I didn’t see any search feature on the site. Where is it? Granted, I might be overlooking it.

When people come to this site and ask questions I try very hard to answer in my own words. I don’t see why you can’t answer the question in your own words also. :confused: I don’t think that I am being impolite with the question.

Really I was hoping to get a Muslim insight into this term, a gentle tap.
 
I am thinking that you are referring to the link you posted a few post ago and not some new link?

I didn’t see any search feature on the site. Where is it? Granted, I might be overlooking it.

When people come to this site and ask questions I try very hard to answer in my own words. I don’t see why you can’t answer the question in your own words also. :confused: I don’t think that I am being impolite with the question.

Really I was hoping to get a Muslim insight into this term, a gentle tap.
Deb, here is an accurate Muslim insight. I appologize for copy/paste but I think it clearly and sufficiently describes the issue:

Men are the protectors and maintains of women because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (Qur’an 4:34)

Even here, that maximum measure is limited by the following:

a) It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment discussed earlier. Based on the Qur’an and Hadeeth, this measure may be used in the case of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband’s reasonable requests on a consistent basis (nushuz). Even then other measures such as exhortation should be tried first.

b) As defined by the Hadeeth, it is not permissible to strike anyone’s face, cause any bodily harm or even be harsh. What the Hadeeth qualified as dharban ghayra mubarrih or light beating was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolical) use of the miswak (a small natural toothbrush).

They further qualified permissible “beating” as beating that leaves no mark on the body. It is interesting that this latter fourteen centuries old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from “abuse” in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort and “lesser of the two evils” measure that may save the marriage does not meet the definitions of “physical abuse,” “family violence,” of “wife battering” in the twentieth century laws in liberal democracies, where such extremes are commonplace that they are seen as national concerns.

c) Permissibility of such symbolical expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several Ahadeeth, Prophet Muhammad discouraged this measure. Among his sayings: “Do not beat the female servants of Allah,” “Some (women visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you,” “[Is it not a shame that], one of you beats his wife like [an unscrupulous person] beats a slave and maybe he sleeps with her at the end of the day.” See Riyad Al Saliheen, op cit., pp. 130 140. In another Hadeeth, the Prophet said:

“How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?” Shaheeh Al Bukhari, op. cit., vol. 8, Hadeeth no. 68, pp. 42 43.

d) True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who never resorted to that measure regardless of the circumstances.

e) Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures, and circumstances but unnecessary in others. Some measures may work in some cases, cultures, or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition a “permissible” it is neither required encouraged, or forbidden. In fact, it may be better to spell out the extent of permissibility such as in the issue at hand, than leaving it unrestricted and unqualified or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way lending to excesses and real abuse.

f) Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any “Muslim” can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur’an and Hadeeth). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself as it shows that he is paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and is failing to follow the true sunnah of the Prophet.
 
To put it bluntly, this “gentle tap” thing is nonsense. No matter what they say, Muslim men treat their families like possessions (in fact, I believe in some Muslims countries you can still buy a wife).

And as a side note, coming from an abusive childhood, a “gentle tap” does not save marriage or families.
 
Saudi Arabia has alot of unemployed and single men who can’t get married because they have no money to pay for their wife.
To put it bluntly, this “gentle tap” thing is nonsense. No matter what they say, Muslim men treat their families like possessions (in fact, I believe in some Muslims countries you can still buy a wife).

And as a side note, coming from an abusive childhood, a “gentle tap” does not save marriage or families.
 
asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=8664&size=A

Yes, because beating one’s wife is allowed by the Koran, but under certain conditions, in particular if she betrays her husband. Please note however: the man does not have the right to beat her everywhere: not on the face, but in the lower parts, her legs, her stomach, her bottom. He can beat her vigorously so as to induce fear, so that she does not start again!

Read the whole article and see how Islam really treats women!:mad:
 
After reading all the posts on this thread, I’d like to share my opinion. First I’m a Muslim. Second, I believe that it is not right to execute someone who converts from Islam to Christianity. The Koran clearly states that no one should be forced into any religion. It is up to an individual to decide which religion he/she wants to follow, if any. Now having said that, I’d like to reply to the statement about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Somalia being Islamic states. Just because one says he/she is a Muslim doesn’t mean they are. For example, many of my friends are Catholic. Yet I don’t automatically assume that they have an IRA-like mindset in which they want to kill Protestants that they encounter. I stongly oppose all forms of extremism and terrorism, including groups that say they are “Islamic” like Hamas, Hizbollah, and Al Qaeda. God created mankind and wants all of us to get along with each other. So the larger question is, why must we generalize all Muslims as having one view point, and that all they want to do is kill, maim, and torture?
 
I can tell you hundereds of Americans embrace Islam through WhyIslam and a small percentage do go back to their religion. Happens in all religions. No one chases them. One fact for you: Two thirds of all conversions to Islam by Americans are by women.
Let’s be very clear about the distinctions between conversion to Catholicism and conversion to Islam. Conversion to Catholicism involves a lengthy process of prayer and study known as RCIA, culminating in the reception into the Church at Easter. The commitment involved in becoming a Catholic is in stark contrast to a person “converting” to Islam within minutes of the decision by saying a few simple words (the Shahada) and presto! your’re a Muslim. Many an American wife to a Muslim has been pressured to “convert” this way. I ask you how sincere it is.
 
On another thread I saw the following link quoted…
whyislam.org/877/

Prophet Muhammad taught:
" I command you to be kind to women …"
“The best of you is the best to his family (wife) …”
Marital disputes are to be handled privately between the parties whenever possible, in steps (without excesses or cruelty). If disputes are not resolved then family mediation can be resorted to.

Divorce is seen as the last resort, which is permissible but not encouraged. Under no circumstances does the Qur’an encourage, allow or condone family violence or physical abuse and cruelty. The maximum allowed in extreme cases is a gentle tap that does not even leave a mark on the body while saving the marriage from collapsing.
whyislam.org/877/Gender_Issues/Gender_Equity.asp

Can a Muslim please explain to me what is meant by a “gentle tap”?

I cannot believe that a religion would allow one spouse to raise a hand to another spouse, even if it so-called “gentle”.

There is no need for any marital conflict to be resolved like this.

I am stunned from reading this. What are your views?
I am not a Muslim, but I do deal with a lot of domestic violence from people of every faith,and no faith. I think “a gentle tap that does not leave a mark” is a much preferred standard to get someone’s attention than most of what I see.
 
I am not a Muslim, but I do deal with a lot of domestic violence from people of every faith,and no faith. I think “a gentle tap that does not leave a mark” is a much preferred standard to get someone’s attention than most of what I see.
As a rule of thumb? 😃
 
I am not a Muslim, but I do deal with a lot of domestic violence from people of every faith,and no faith. I think “a gentle tap that does not leave a mark” is a much preferred standard to get someone’s attention than most of what I see.
The Islamic website was trying to make the actual language, which is “beat”, more palatable to a Western audience. It’s a deception. Please don’t fall for the deception. Research what Islam really teaches about beating wives.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top