Muslims, God is Your Father,why do you ask for less?

[nohamaria]

Dear sisters and brothers, the muslims,

As christian , I truly admit that muslims, jews, and
christians beleive in the same God.
You muslims, consider yourself as the children of
Ishmael.
We, jews and christians are descendant of Isaac.
They both, Ishmael and Isaac , were the children of
Abraham. We all beleive on Abraham’God.
We are all sisters and brothers according to our beleif
in the same God.
One matter is different between christians and muslims,
which is explained by Jesus himself:
I refer in the Bible(NT) to John4 , when Jesus addressed
the samaritan woman( a samaritan beleive on God
but is not jew). I shall emphasis these words said by
Jesus to her:" Beleive me , woman, a time is coming,
when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain
nor in jerusalem. You, samaritans , worship what you
do not know." ( John 4 / 21-22)
The same is applied to muslims: you worship the same
God but you do not know His Truth…
The Father ,mentioned by Jesus, is our both God.
He is your Father too.
If you accept the fact that The Prophet Mohammed’s
message was only to convert the gentiles to God , and
ended there. And that the source of his Message was
the bible (OT.NT) , Than you will start to understand
God as he revealed himself in The Bible.
Be sure , that you are loved by God and invited to
become not his slaves but his Children.
From that old time when God promessed to Hagar about
her son Ishmael:“I will make him into a great nation”
That’s what you are now. But you are invited furthermore
to become His Children. Now , it is up to you , to accept
or refuse , The invitation.
We all should beleive on Gods mercyfulness, righteousness
and unlimited Love for all humankind.
God Love You , Be His Child.

:harp:

Nohamaria( OFS Member)

 

[Eucharisted]

You’re using Christian theology. Use Islamic theology to speak to Muslims.

 

[nohamaria]

You’re using Christian theology. Use Islamic theology to speak to Muslims.

I am using what is common in Islamic and christian beleif
than direct them to try to understand more deeper
The Truth Of God.
I can’t use there Theology because ours preceeds theirs
and it speaks about our same God.
I hope that some sisters or brothers Muslims will give
us their opinion in this post,
They are invited to be The Sons and Daughters of God,
I am requesting them to think about it and reply why
they choose to stay : " The Slaves of God".

With God Bless
Nohamaria.

 

[Reuben_J]

Hi nohamaria.

Welcome to the forum.

That’s a worthwhile message you wanted to bring forth to the Muslims.

From our experience here, Muslims are indoctrinated by Mohammad’s teaching and frankly speaking, their mind is closed and unable to reason out much of what you say.

It’s amazing why they do not accept God as their Father which is the highest form of love and security that we can get from as human beings. Muslims difficulty in accepting God as such stems from Mohammad himself. He never had a father in his life. Poor boy he terribly missed out on this. His concept of a father is one he cannot understand and naturally he rebelled against the institution of fatherhood. This is reflected in his personal insecurity and lack of love which were being projected by being always seeking for attention, unusual sex drive, lust for power and perverseness. He is to be pitied really. Nevertheless fatherhood is one topic that is never appealing to him.

Good luck and God bless.

 

[Cluny]

As christian , I truly admit that muslims, jews, and
christians beleive in the same God.

No.

We do NOT believe in the same deity as Muslims and Jews.

Read this:

orthodoxphotos.com/readings/future/

 

[trdchubi]

I will reiterate the statement…the muslims CLAIM to believe in the God of Abraham…but in no way is even near the Jewish and Christian belief.

The kabah is center of the arabian pagan worship even before the introduction of islam, and guess what allah is the top god revered by the pagans.

muhammad just change the system of worship to appeal to his fellow nomadic pagan people. this allah is nothing more than the moon god they worship.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

…you are loved by God and invited to become not his slaves but his Children.

If we believe , God is our Father , then who is our mom ? Who is our grand pa , grand mom ?? Do u think , God has uncle , anuty , cousin , grandchildren etc etc ??

What’s the problem if we believe God is our Saviour and we are His humble servants ? As a newborn baby , Jesus (p) declared that I am a slave of God . So , I see no problem by uttering this

PS. Welcome to the forum & thanks for you concern for us

 

[Benjamin8o8]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

If we believe , God is our Father , then who is our mom ? Who is our grand pa , grand mom ?? Do u think , God has uncle , anuty , cousin , grandchildren etc etc ??

What’s the problem if we believe God is our Saviour and we are His humble servants ? As a newborn baby , Jesus (p) declared that I am a slave of God . So , I see no problem by uttering this

PS. Welcome to the forum & thanks for you concern for us

God is our Father basically refers to a title that us humans can undstand. Obiously He is not a biological father, but you said we should be Gods slaves. So that makes God a master, which is also a human term.

It looks like you Muslims resemble God to His creation more then we do.

 

[Sam_777]

Welcome nohamaria to CAF,

You muslims, consider yourself as the children of Ishmael.

Well, not exactly, not all Muslims are descendants of Ishmael.

One matter is different between christians and muslims,
which is explained by Jesus himself:
I refer in the Bible(NT) to John4 , when Jesus addressed
the samaritan woman( a samaritan beleive on God
but is not jew). I shall emphasis these words said by
Jesus to her:" Beleive me , woman, a time is coming,
when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain
nor in jerusalem. You, samaritans , worship what you
do not know." ( John 4 / 21-22)
The same is applied to muslims: you worship the same
God but you do not know His Truth…

I agree with you, even the Bible supporting that:
“Psalm 96:5”
“For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens.”

“1 Chronicles 16:26”
“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.”

Be sure , that you are loved by God and invited to
become not his slaves but his Children.

Yes .

We all should beleive on Gods mercyfulness, righteousness
and unlimited Love for all humankind.
God Love You , Be His Child.

**nohamaria.

**

 

[nohamaria]

http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

If we believe , God is our Father , then who is our mom ? Who is our grand pa , grand mom ?? Do u think , God has uncle , anuty , cousin , grandchildren etc etc ??

What’s the problem if we believe God is our Saviour and we are His humble servants ? As a newborn baby , Jesus (p) declared that I am a slave of God . So , I see no problem by uttering this

PS. Welcome to the forum & thanks for you concern for us

Thank you for your reply on my post,
I really have concern on you because I am always
abiding to God Will in my life.
Unfortunately , the above argument about “Father” is
always used by Muslims because they miss the spiritual
meaning of the word.
God as our Father means that he Love us, care for us,
want to give us happiness, and want us to share with him
his kingdom.
When we become his children means: we understand God
in his holiness , love him and worship him, abide to his will,
and share with him his kingdom as owners and never slaves.
If we are speaking about the same God of Abraham,
then we have both to admit that God is not a liar to
introduce himself differently to every kind of people.
It seems to me that there is a wide difference between
our beleif and your beleif on God. This difference results
from the misunderstanding of God.
I invited you and every muslim to read the bible(OT,NT)
because it preceeds your theology about God and try
to find His Hole Truth there.
Be sure that you are living into a great fear for God
while God is Love and Peace and Mercyfulness.
I fear Satan yes , but not God because I love God
and I know that God love me much more than I do
to Him.
If " Jihad" and killing each other on the name of God
is God’s Will; then this means , with the distructive
weapons available in our hands now, the distruction
of all God’s Creation. What mercifulness God can
accept this?..
God is peace , love and life giving.
I invite you to think about it .
with my sincere prayers and concern.
God Bless
Nohamaria.

 

[meedo]

I will reiterate the statement…the muslims CLAIM to believe in the God of Abraham…but in no way is even near the Jewish and Christian belief.

The kabah is center of the arabian pagan worship even before the introduction of islam, and guess what allah is the top god revered by the pagans.

muhammad just change the system of worship to appeal to his fellow nomadic pagan people. this allah is nothing more than the moon god they worship.

You are funny. Really

let me tell you somthing may be you didn’t know.

Jews consider muslims noahides . Meaning we can live in teh holy land and own land there.

Guess what , YOU CAN*T according to orthodox Judaism because you are an idol worshipper. Worshipping Jesus.

and you have the audacity to fool people by saying that you have the same God as the jews ?!!

 

[hamba2han]

… You Muslims, consider yourself as the children of Ishmael…

Muslims do NOT consider ourselves to be the children of Ishmael… nor indeed do we call ourselves the children of Abraham (peace be upon them).

Muslims, along with the rest of humankind, are instead referred to in the Qur’an as the children of Adam (pbuh).

 

[meedo]

Muslims do NOT consider ourselves to be the children of Ishmael… nor indeed do we call ourselves the children of Abraham (peace be upon them).

Muslims, along with the rest of humankind, are instead referred to in the Qur’an as the children of Adam (pbuh).

That is not quite 100% correct brother.

قال الله تعالى { يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ارْكَعُوا وَاسْجُدُوا وَاعْبُدُوا رَبَّكُمْ وَافْعَلُوا الْخَيْرَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ (77) وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ **أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ **هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِير (78)} سورة الحـج .

PICKTHAL: And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your **father Abraham **(is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper!
SHAKIR: And strive hard in (the way of) Allah, (such) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you an hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims before and in this, that the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you, and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper!

 

[meedo]

Dear sisters and brothers, the muslims,

As christian , I truly admit that muslims, jews, and
christians beleive in the same God.
You muslims, consider yourself as the children of
Ishmael.
We, jews and christians are descendant of Isaac.
They both, Ishmael and Isaac , were the children of
Abraham. We all beleive on Abraham’God.
We are all sisters and brothers according to our beleif
in the same God.
One matter is different between christians and muslims,
which is explained by Jesus himself:
I refer in the Bible(NT) to John4 , when Jesus addressed
the samaritan woman( a samaritan beleive on God
but is not jew). I shall emphasis these words said by
Jesus to her:" Beleive me , woman, a time is coming,
when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain
nor in jerusalem. You, samaritans , worship what you
do not know." ( John 4 / 21-22)
The same is applied to muslims: you worship the same
God but you do not know His Truth…
The Father ,mentioned by Jesus, is our both God.
He is your Father too.
If you accept the fact that The Prophet Mohammed’s
message was only to convert the gentiles to God , and
ended there. And that the source of his Message was
the bible (OT.NT) , Than you will start to understand
God as he revealed himself in The Bible.
Be sure , that you are loved by God and invited to
become not his slaves but his Children.
From that old time when God promessed to Hagar about
her son Ishmael:“I will make him into a great nation”
That’s what you are now. But you are invited furthermore
to become His Children. Now , it is up to you , to accept
or refuse , The invitation.
We all should beleive on Gods mercyfulness, righteousness
and unlimited Love for all humankind.
God Love You , Be His Child.

:harp:

Nohamaria( OFS Member)

Thank you for your kind post.

God for us is the all merciful. Changing the way we address him doesnt change the way he has mercy on us.

I don’t see any contradiction with what you are preaching and Islam. It doesnt matter we are his slaves or his children , he loves us any way.

 

[nohamaria]

Muslims do NOT consider ourselves to be the children of Ishmael… nor indeed do we call ourselves the children of Abraham (peace be upon them).

Muslims, along with the rest of humankind, are instead referred to in the Qur’an as the children of Adam (pbuh).

All right let us follow this String:
Adams God , abraham, isaac, ishmael,…Including the New
testament God Is the same God they all worship.
Would you please let me know where in this string is your God
and I will reply to you He is the same God.
God is not a liar nor a multiple faces to reveal himself differently
to every kind of people. If you accept this fact , you are in
the right way, otherwise you’re very wrong.

nohamaria

 

[hamba2han]

While Prophet Abraham (pbuh) may be the spiritual father for Muslims in their faith, nevertheless nowhere does the term “children of Abraham” appear in the Qur’an or even in the ahadith as compared to the terms “children of Adam” and the “children of Israel” which are indeed found in the Qur’an and which do indeed mean actual physical descendants.

 

[jakasaki]

While Prophet Abraham (pbuh) may be the spiritual father for Muslims in their faith, nevertheless nowhere does the term “children of Abraham” appear in the Qur’an or even in the ahadith as compared to the terms “children of Adam” and the “children of Israel” which are indeed found in the Qur’an and which do indeed mean actual physical descendants.

Hi Hamba - the “quote” below was a reply I posted in another tread to another user regarding Abraham and islam. There is no historical correlation between Abraham/islam and muslims and that it’s all fabrication based on the koran…along with distorted statements.

Quote from Meedo:
Ishmael is the son of abraham. Arabs are the decendanst of Ishmael with agrement of Judaism . The arab center of living and rituals are in the center of arabia and not in palestine or jordan . It is up to the Hebrew bible to solve this contradiction.

Yes, Ishmael is the son of Abraham - agreed.

And I don’t believe the Hebrew Bible needs to solve any contradictions because there aren’t any…

Curiuos Meedo - do you ever question anything, research an assortment of sites outside of islamic sites, analyze and form a clear understanding of what you are questioning?

Anyway, since arabs are descendands of Ishmael what are your historical proof traces? Please provide a back up of your statement because this is what history was recorded from historical Hebrew and Biblical accounts.

According to alleged, UNSUBSTANTIATED and totally FABRICATED Arab ‘traditions’ and contrary to the original stories from the Biblical records, Ishmael is their ‘father’ just as Isaac was the ‘father’ of the Israelites.

From this very outset, the above so called ‘traditions’ did not exist in the mind of the Pagan Arabians prior to their ‘revelation’ in mohamads Quran.

There are two versions of the story of Ishmael, one - that of the ORIGINAL in the Bible and the other that of the Quran to compare and contrast.

According to the Bible, Abraham was of the Hebrew Ibri tribe. The Hebrews were one among hundreds of Semitic tribes that lived in the land of what is now called Iraq.

Abraham, was ordered by God to leave the land of his nativity and go to another and that God, would direct him to. This other land was the land of Canaan -

If you want refer to Genesis 12:1 through 5 - I’m trying not to clutter up the reply…

If historians are correct in surmising that the Semitic tribes of Iraq & Syria originated from Arabia, then the Hebrews were one of these tribes. If this were the case, then Abraham and Ishmael cannot ALSO be the progenitors of the Arabs from whom they originated.

According to the unsubstantiated Arab ‘traditions’, Abraham journied with the ‘baby’ Ishmael and his mother Hagar to the valley of Mecca and together later on raised the Foundations of the Ka’ba.

I will not quote the koran verses but I’m sure you know which ones they are… again… not to clutter the reply…

Quote:
The Ka’ba, the House of Allah. Its foundation goes back by Arab tradition to Abraham. Its fourfold character is here referred to.

(1) It was the centre to which all the Arab tribes resorted for trade, for poetic contests, and for worship,

(2) It was sacred territory and was respected by friend and foe alike. At certain seasons, all fighting was and is forbidden within it limits, and even arms are not allowed to be carried and no game or other thing is allowed to be killed. Like the Cities of Refuge under the Mosaic Dispensation to which manslayers could flee (Num. xxxv. 6) or the Sanctuaries in Mediaeval Europe, to which criminals could not be pursued. Mecca was recognized by Arab custom as inviolable for the pursuit of revenge or violence.

(3) It was a place of prayer; even today there is a Station of Abraham within the enclosure where Abraham was supposed to have prayed.

(4) It must be held pure and sacred for all purposes

The falsification of history, the contortion of facts and reality are the FORTE of most of the so called ‘scholars of Islam’; Abdullah Yusuf Ali is no exception. He knows full well that there exists no such ‘Arab tradition’ anywhere in either the pagan Arabian records nor in the Oral traditions of these Arabs to substantiate his allegations.

The ‘facts’ reside within the Quran which asserts in several verses that neither Muhammad nor the Pagan Arabs had any KNOWLEDGE of the PREVIOUS REVELATIONS.

I’m sure you must know Abdullah Yusuf Ali - he is a famous islamic school and you can take your time and read his work.

The ‘facts’ reside within the Quran which asserts in several verses that neither Muhammad nor the Pagan Arabs had any KNOWLEDGE of the PREVIOUS REVELATIONS.

The Quranic word Ummi is deliberately mis-interpreted as “Illiterate” by the Sunni (Orthodox) Muhammadans. Critical scholars Tabari in his Tafsir point out that this curious adjective is invariably used in the Quran in contradistinction and/or in apposition to the People of the Book/ Ahl al Kitab as in
Suras 2:78; 3:20,75; 7:157; 62:2 and should therefore be taken to mean one IGNORANT of Holy Scriptures and/or the EARLIER REVEALED RELIGIONS; that is, unscriptured.

36: 6 In order that thou mayest admonish a people whose fathers had received no admonition and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).

The Quraish had received no prophet before, and therefore one of themselves was made the vehicle for the universal Message to the whole world.

You may also read : 42:52 and 62:2 stating the ignoranace of previous revelations.

For the above, 42:52 and 62.=:2the koran indicates that the pagan Arabs and mohamad were ignorant of previous revlations prior to itself.

I have more to add but I fear my reply will go on deaf ears and will only occupy space on CAF’s database…

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[nohamaria]

Q[UOTE=meedo;4859191]Thank you for your kind post.

God for us is the all merciful. Changing the way we address him doesnt change the way he has mercy on us.

I don’t see any contradiction with what you are preaching and Islam. It doesnt matter we are his slaves or his children , he loves us any way.

Thank you for your nice attention too.
Am not asking you to change the way of addressing him
But only to enrich it about God. Sometimes , we may be
mistaken about what is God Will in our life. God has spoken
to us and clarifyed himself too and previously to Quran, in
the Bible. I would like to ask you why God sometimes
contradict himself according to Bible and Quran.
E.g In Quran were Slaves, in the Bible were his Children.
The Bible preceeds Quran . So what is wrong?!..
In The Bible He said to us: Love your ennemies
In Quran there is Jihad. So many contradictions . Why?
Just I wonder Why?

May God Be merciful to us all
God Bless
Nohamaria.

 

[Lujack]

As christian , I truly admit that muslims, jews, and
christians beleive in the same God.

No.

We do NOT believe in the same deity as Muslims and Jews.

Read this:

orthodoxphotos.com/readings/future/

The catechism doesn’t agree with you.

 

[Cluny]

orthodoxphotos.com/readings/future/

The catechism doesn’t agree with you.

Did you read the link I gave?