Muslims, how can this be proper?

[Sister_Amy]

As a general rule, I don’t read your posts. They incite hatred and then you turn around and lie about it. You have accused me of calling Islam a political movement–it is not. You have accused me of trying to replace American law with Shari’ah–I have not.

So henceforth please take your hatemongering somewhere else.

 

[rpp]

There is no freedom of religion in any Muslim country. Seeing a Moslem lecture someone on religious liberty is like seeing a… well, there is no charitable comparison. A moslem has no moral ground on which to tell anyone else about religious liberty because they do not believe in it. It is utterly ridiculous and only proves the point that moslems will lie to non-moslems.

 

[inJESUS]

Can we please bring this thread back to the topic of what Islam teaches about lying to non-Moslems.

if one can lie about his belief to misguide others, i guess one will be able to lie for any thing.

 

[planten]

if one can lie about his belief to misguide others, i guess one will be able to lie for any thing.

There is no teaching in Islam about lying at all. It is necessary for every Muslim to tell the truth even it goes against his own relatives, even if had to be in the court of a tyrant king.

 

[inJESUS]

There is no teaching in Islam about lying at all. It is necessary for every Muslim to tell the truth even it goes against his own relatives, even if had to be in the court of a tyrant king.

Anyone who after accepting faith in Allah **utters unbelief **except under compulsion his heart remaining firm in faith but such as open their breast to unbelief on them is Wrath from Allah and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty"Surah An-Nahal, verse 106

Regarding this verse, Imam Allamah Abu Hussein Firah Al baghwi commented:

All scholars in the Muslim Ummah agree on the fact that at times when one is forced, one can denounce Islam.
Tafseer Mu’alim Al’Tazyeel, Volume 2, Page 214.

Sahih al Bukhari, v4, p45 Abu al-Darda’ said he heard the Prophet (s) state: “(Verily) **we smile for some people, while our hearts curse (those same people).” **

 

[R_not]

As a general rule, I don’t read your posts. They incite hatred and then you turn around and lie about it. You have accused me of calling Islam a political movement–it is not. You have accused me of trying to replace American law with Shari’ah–I have not.

So henceforth please take your hatemongering somewhere else.

Sorry, but I am not the hateful one. I just quote your own koran and hadiths and also show you the deeds and words of your own muslims.

Muslims call Geert Wilders the same - and he only made a movie quoting verses from the koran and showed the words and deeds of muslims.

Sorry, but you did indeed leave one to believe this. You don’t like me because I refute all what you say - that I can deal with. But your accusation that I am a hate monger is just taking personally evidence that I show to you that islam is nothing as you say it is. In fact, it has shown itself throughout the ages until now to be quite the opposite. And your own koran is the base of the problem.

Here are the posts that led me to believe my assertion that islam is indeed here to become the dominate one - and that would mean no tolerance, no religious freedom for anyone except islam. As we see in all muslim dominated countries.

And you address none of the posts that have evidence of the hatred incited against non-muslims but go on your merry way telling us things that are not true for us who do not want to be muslims, live under muslim rule, or condemned our children to islam.

*post #66 of Would I qualify to be catholic?

you called someone a word that is considered a filthy word:

Uh, no, it would actually make you a kaafir instead of a Muslim, because instead of submitting to that truth you’re rejecting it.

post #303 Catholitism verses Islam differences and similarities

What should I do if I don’t want to be ruled by the government of the place I live? I live in the USA, so democracy. What should I do if I don’t want to be ruled by democracy? What should I do if I don’t want to pay American taxes?

The answer is pretty simple, and more helpful to your question.*

 

[R_not]

Here are more:

*post #94 Muslims, how can this be proper?
Religion is not the same thing as a state. But the way of life called Islam, complete submission to God, includes societal regulation.

Islam is not a sentient entity, it is a state of submission to God. An act. It is not a government. But the law of Islam exists to be applied to an entire society, not just to individuals. A sovereign society can exercise military force if necessary. If a sovereign society is operating under Islam, or in a state of submission to God, then it still can exercise military force if necessary. In fact, a state is required to exercise military force–vigilantism is actually not allowed by Islamic law.

Islam is no different. If an individual is attacked, he may defend himself, his family. If a society is attacked, it also has the right to defend its people. Islam teaches that all of mankind is a single brotherhood, a single tribe, the children of Adam. *I find the above comment very telling since they are only attacked after muslims start the aggression time and again and finally the non-muslims get tired of it and strike back. And then the muslims behave as if they were the victims - time and again - when they are in fact NOT the victims.