Muslims, Jesus, and Alcohol

[Reuben_J]

For any who don’t know, Muslims believe Jesus, not Muhammad, will judge on judgment day. As I understand it Islam teaches that Jesus is in some ways greater than Muhammad, but his teachings were corrupted because he relied on men to pass them down. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I would however question whether the righteous, in the Muslim perception of the last judgment, might not be dancing for joy. Or might it be, well, bad manners to dance when the unrighteous are being damned?

 

[tawheedah]

I think you’re afraid of judgment day when you’ll have to account for yourself at the feet of Jesus, who will be Judge and King. Fear is when we are not sure of what we have done, whether it’s right or wrong.

Nope, I’m not. I fear Allah. My belief as a MUSLIM is that ALLAH/GOD the ONLY judge will be doing the judging on Judgement Day when we are all resurrected before Him. I’m not asking you to believe what I believe, but people are asking questions about what Muslims believe I’m answering the questions as a Muslim and giving the information FYI.

I only come to this forum to answer questions about Islam, not to disrespect Catholicism, not to try to convert any of you, and I have respect for what you believe even though it is not what I believe, and some of the kind members here have even taught me a few things about catholicism that helped me understand them better… Sadly though, that respect is not largely reciprocated.

I guess I should’ve stayed gone the last time I decided not to come here.

 

[tawheedah]

For any who don’t know, Muslims believe Jesus, not Muhammad, will judge on judgment day. As I understand it Islam teaches that Jesus is in some ways greater than Muhammad, but his teachings were corrupted because he relied on men to pass them down. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I would however question whether the righteous, in the Muslim perception of the last judgment, might not be dancing for joy. Or might it be, well, bad manners to dance when the unrighteous are being damned?

You are not correct. Neither Jesus (peace be upon him) or Muhammad (peace be upon him) will be judging anyone on Judgement Day. They will be resurrected before the ONLY Judge, GOD. Allah is the only judge, not Jesus, not Moses, not Abraham, not Muhammad.(peace be upon them all)

 

[puzzleannie]

I know that Islam bans alcohol, and ?

I don’t think this blanket statement is necessarily true. what precisely does Islam teach on use of wine, distilled spirits, beer and other alcohols? Does the teaching vary among sects and has it varied over time?

oh I see my question has come to late and we have already degenerated into the personal attacks entirely unrelated to OP, so I will withdraw. If I want to witness children squabbling I can go babysit my grandchildren.

 

[Hastrman]

You are not correct. Neither Jesus (peace be upon him) or Muhammad (peace be upon him) will be judging anyone on Judgement Day. They will be resurrected before the ONLY Judge, GOD. Allah is the only judge, not Jesus, not Moses, not Abraham, not Muhammad.(peace be upon them all)

Oh. Duh, I knew that. But I had heard Jesus had a special role at the last judgment; was I wrong?

 

[tawheedah]

This sounds ignorance to me. You are speaking on errorneous premise that one must get drunk when drinking wine. This is far from the truth. Like I said not everybody get drunk when drinking wine, especially in small amount.

BTW, when is your last prayer for the day? Say if it’s 8 to 9 o’clock at night and the next one is at dawn the next day, you would have plenty of free time in between in the evening. So your reason it will affect your prayers is rather exegerating.

I never said or spoke anything about people being drunk just because they take a drink, but if they do drink alcohol there are intoxicants in their system. I’m a Muslim. I don’t argue with the Quran and the Sunnah.

I never disagreed with your statement that not everyone gets drunk when drinking wine, nor did I disagree with any of your statements regarding drinking in general. However, for a Muslim, drinking alcohol is Haram it’s forbidden. I’m not trying to convince you that you shouldn’t drink, I’m not telling you that it’s not alright for you to drink wine.

I’m not even going to answer about the times of prayers, because it’s irrelevant for a Muslim, because it is an order from Allah to Muslims not to drink… So as a practicing Muslim, I hear and I obey. End of story.

 

[tawheedah]

Oh. Duh, I knew that. But I had heard Jesus had a special role at the last judgment; was I wrong?

Jesus has a very special role, it’s just before the day, not on the day.
The short version is-

when Jesus returns to the earth it will be the final sign that the end of times is coming very soon and that the Day of Judgement will be coming soon. He will be here for several years though before the world ends and then we will all be resurrected on the day of Judgment.

Peace

 

[Reuben_J]

I never said or spoke anything about people being drunk just because they take a drink, but if they do drink alcohol there are intoxicants in their system. I’m a Muslim. I don’t argue with the Quran and the Sunnah.

I never disagreed with your statement that not everyone gets drunk when drinking wine, nor did I disagree with any of your statements regarding drinking in general. However, for a Muslim, drinking alcohol is Haram it’s forbidden. I’m not trying to convince you that you shouldn’t drink, I’m not telling you that it’s not alright for you to drink wine.

I’m not even going to answer about the times of prayers, because it’s irrelevant for a Muslim, because it is an order from Allah to Muslims not to drink… So as a practicing Muslim, I hear and I obey. End of story.

You said we shouldn’t be drunk when going for interview and being drunk with wine would affect your prayers for the day.

I was only responding to what you said, and I give my reasons.

I thought your reasonings is not reasonable and I said so. You don’t have your solat from about 8 pm onward till dawn, an interval where you are free from prayer if you want to.

The reason that wine is forbidden because it causes drunkness is foolish reason to ban it totally as you agreed that not all people will get drunk and there are many good usage for wine.

If you said because Allah said so, then I don’t have much to say. But you gave a reason for the banning which is rather errorneous.

Now you said it’s because when we drink wine it’s in the system and that it’s not allowed. Well, fine, I agree then that Allah did not allowed wine to be in your system.

 

[Reuben_J]

Nope, I’m not. I fear Allah. My belief as a MUSLIM is that ALLAH/GOD the ONLY judge will be doing the judging on Judgement Day when we are all resurrected before Him. I’m not asking you to believe what I believe, but people are asking questions about what Muslims believe I’m answering the questions as a Muslim and giving the information FYI.

Not all will agree with you though. You have to be prepared for disagreement as you disagree with us. This is what the forum for.

We CATHOLICS believe that JESUS WILL BE THE LAST JUDGE AND KING ON JUDGEMENT DAY. We’ll be all subjected to His judgment, including Mohammad.

We look forward for that day to meet our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And it is not unlikely that we will dance for joy too.

Peace.

 

[Booklover]

You said we shouldn’t be drunk when going for interview and being drunk with wine would affect your prayers for the day.

I was only responding to what you said, and I give my reasons.

I thought your reasonings is not reasonable and I said so. You don’t have your solat from about 8 pm onward till dawn, an interval where you are free from prayer if you want to.

The reason that wine is forbidden because it causes drunkness is foolish reason to ban it totally as you agreed that not all people will get drunk and there are many good usage for wine.

If you said because Allah said so, then I don’t have much to say. But you gave a reason for the banning which is rather errorneous.

Now you said it’s because when we drink wine it’s in the system and that it’s not allowed. Well, fine, I agree then that Allah did not allowed wine to be in your system.

In Islam, virtue is achieved by removing the temptation. Things are forbidden because someone might sin. That is only the semblance of virtue, unlike real virtue which is freely chosen.

Vickie

 

[FaithofAbraham]

In Islam, virtue is achieved by removing the temptation. Things are forbidden because someone might sin. That is only the semblance of virtue, unlike real virtue which is freely chosen.

Vickie

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

 

[ralphinal]

I have a philosophical question that may need its own thread, but I’ll put it here.

Science is showing that moderate consuption of alcohol is good for you, say 2 glasses of wine a night. A new study just shows that exercise when coupled with such consumption of alcohol has greater benefits than exercise alone. If this is true, why did Allah prohibit completely something that is good for you? Why not limit it? Why did he not say that a little wine is good for you?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I have a philosophical question that may need its own thread, but I’ll put it here.

Science is showing that moderate consuption of alcohol is good for you, say 2 glasses of wine a night. A new study just shows that exercise when coupled with such consumption of alcohol has greater benefits than exercise alone. If this is true, why did Allah prohibit completely something that is good for you? Why not limit it? Why did he not say that a little wine is good for you?

Like I said a lot earlier I don’t know anyone that has not gone overboard with drinking at some point in their lives. For most people it’s better not to mess with it since it’s likely they will abuse it at some point.

 

[ralphinal]

Like I said a lot earlier I don’t know anyone that has not gone overboard with drinking at some point in their lives. For most people it’s better not to mess with it since it’s likely they will abuse it at some point.

So does Islam not believe that a person can lead a life of moderation? Further, why would God create something that has both good and bad effects? Why not only good or only bad?

 

[tawheedah]

I have a philosophical question that may need its own thread, but I’ll put it here.

Science is showing that moderate consuption of alcohol is good for you, say 2 glasses of wine a night. A new study just shows that exercise when coupled with such consumption of alcohol has greater benefits than exercise alone. If this is true, why did Allah prohibit completely something that is good for you? Why not limit it? Why did he not say that a little wine is good for you?

Why don’t you ask Him when you meet Him on judgement day? It doesn’t really matter to me as a Muslim why he made the decisions he made and when He did so, He knows best and I know not. I hear and I obey. End of story.

 

[ralphinal]

Why don’t you ask Him when you meet Him on judgement day? It doesn’t really matter to me as a Muslim why he made the decisions he made and when He did so, He knows best and I know not. I hear and I obey. End of story.

Because I am trying to understand the Muslim faith. It seems as though in Islam, God does not trust us to love him. It is better not to be able to choose than to choose to do so of your own free will.

See, I am really having trouble with a few aspects of Islam versus Christianity, and I am trying to find resolution. One of them is the whole free will thing. I am not sure that Islam understands free will in the same way as Christianity. If you choose to leave, you die, if you do not choose to follow, you cannot worship differently or you must pay a tax or you may be killed, depending on the country. You are not expected to have self-control, so the woman cannot be near you and you are not allowed any contact with alcohol. It just seems like Islam paints a picture of a man who has no ability to control his base instincts.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

So does Islam not believe that a person can lead a life of moderation? Further, why would God create something that has both good and bad effects? Why not only good or only bad?

Satan is a good thing to reveal your sins so you can work on them. But bad if you instead love sin and wallow in it.

If you’ve never gotten drunk and never will you can honestly say that you can treat alcohol with moderation. Is that what you’re saying, you’ve never gotten drunk?

 

[Booklover]

Because I am trying to understand the Muslim faith. It seems as though in Islam, God does not trust us to love him. It is better not to be able to choose than to choose to do so of your own free will.

See, I am really having trouble with a few aspects of Islam versus Christianity, and I am trying to find resolution. One of them is the whole free will thing. I am not sure that Islam understands free will in the same way as Christianity. If you choose to leave, you die, if you do not choose to follow, you cannot worship differently or you must pay a tax or you may be killed, depending on the country. You are not expected to have self-control, so the woman cannot be near you and you are not allowed any contact with alcohol. It just seems like Islam paints a picture of a man who has no ability to control his base instincts.

Islam has no concept of free will. Muslims are treated as little children who cannot think for themselves and have to have everything spelled out for them. Muslims just follow the rules and therefore don’t have to accept responsibility for their actions.

By Islamic logic, eating should be banned because someone may sin from gluttony, and even sex should be banned to keep people from committing adultery!

Vickie

 

[ralphinal]

Satan is a good thing to reveal your sins so you can work on them. But bad if you instead love sin and wallow in it.

If you’ve never gotten drunk and never will you can honestly say that you can treat alcohol with moderation. Is that what you’re saying, you’ve never gotten drunk?

Nope. I am not saying that. I have gotten drunk in the past, many years ago. I am past that in my life. I can and do treat it with moderation.

Does Islam allow for free will or is it no choices provided?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Nope. I am not saying that. I have gotten drunk in the past, many years ago. I am past that in my life. I can and do treat it with moderation.

Does Islam allow for free will or is it no choices provided?

Lucky you didn’t die from alcohol poisoning or kill someone drunk driving. It’s a foolish test and thing to try to get a handle on when you can just avoid it all together.