You can’t deny God if He wants you, to say that means you are more powerful than God.
Well, you certainly subscribe to the zombie mentality! God did not create robots or zombies, but many foolish people actually enjoy living like robots thinking that they’re pleasing God by creating a mental and physical prison for themselves that God never intended for them!
This is rubbish! You’re stating that God deliberately chooses to condemn certain people to hell no matter what they do or don’t do! We believe that God loves everyone and wants all to be saved!
From the Catechism:
No, you cannot outrun God if he chases. You can try.
I guess when you get to Heaven you can try to make some laws on your own but I don’t think they will fly.
Tests are for our benefit and experience, not God’s since He knows what we will do anyway. If them sinning wasn’t part of the plan they wouldn’t have done it.
God wanted them to sin? God wanted them to fall and allow suffering into the world? Why?
This is nothing more than a dodge on your part! Earth is man’s domain and God gave us the right to make laws here. Jesus told us to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s! He also told us that his kingdom is not of this world.
The simplest answer to that for anyone would be, so you can exist. If events went any other way you wouldn’t be here.
God does everything, you are only along for the ride and experience. That’s why life is a gift, you’ve done nothing on your own for it.
Now you have lost me. Why would Adam and Eve not have reproduced? Be Fruitful and Multiply was a general command to all of creation, including them. Humanity would have grown without suffering or physical death while still having a close relationship with God.
Yeah the bible ‘God’ only teased them by putting that freely accessible poisonous but enticing fruit inside their playroom (garden), sparking their curiosity and allowed the snake to push them into eating it. By our MODERN standards the bible ‘God’ would have been guilty of criminal negligence & conspiracy.
Yeah the bible ‘God’ only teased them by putting that freely accessible poisonous but enticing fruit inside their playroom (garden), sparking their curiosity and allowed the serpent to push them into eating it. By our MODERN standards the bible ‘God’ would have been guilty of criminal negligence & conspiracy.
Just because they were a few days old does not mean they were infants in intellect. They did not even try to eat it until acted upon by an outside force.Yeah the bible ‘God’ only teased them by putting that freely accessible poisonous but enticing fruit inside their playroom (garden), sparking their curiosity and allowed the serpent to push them into eating it. By our MODERN standards the bible ‘God’ would have been guilty of criminal negligence & conspiracy.
Funny. Very funny. I think that the point was two fold. First, it was to show the Children of Isreal that God was All Powerful and serious about their well-being. Secondly, it was a sign to everyone else that God was All Powerful and serious about the safety of the Children of Isreal. Some of the language is figurative, too. I liken it to Pharoah having buyer’s remorse.And what about hardening the pharoah’s heart when better people would rather soften it? Ah its all for the sake of narcissism. I suppose at that moment he had run out of ideas at how to demonstrate his powers & glory through peaceful means.
Humanity would not have gone down the same path that leads to you if there was no sin, so you would not exist without sin.
Let me try another angle. Does God want people to sin? If someone is avoiding sin and the sin is part of the plan, does God make that person sin? Does God need us to sin?
But the ‘outside force’ was an inside job. Who allowed it in? Its like somebody leaving a million dollars in front of you, and at the same time baiting you with an ultra persuasive dude to take the money.
And ‘God’ had to harden the Pharoah’s heart to make a point. Completely unnecessary. A thousand years later Jesus realized that he doesnt need to resort to violence to make those points. Theoretically even Superman could have convinced the egyptians and everyone else of his supremacy without needless sufferings. And God was supposed to be infinitely superior than any superman that we could concieve. No sense, my friend. No sense at all. Well it does make a good hollywood movie!
Slight flaw in the analogy: I understand the concept of money. Look at how Eve responded. She was not close to thinking about it at all.
Would you accept that the language was figurative and not literal? God knew that Pharoah would respond as he did, so he used it to his advantage?And ‘God’ had to harden the Pharoah’s heart to make a point. A thousand years later Jesus realized that he doesnt need to resort to violence to make those points. Theoretically even Superman could have convinced the egyptians and everyone else of his supremacy without needless sufferings. And God was supposed to be infinitely superior than any superman that we could concieve. No sense, my friend. No sense at all. Well it does make a good hollywood movie!
Maybe this analogy will make sense.
Thats one of the points. Eve was too naive, and so was her husband who did not think at all and just gave in to peer pressure. They were only a couple of years old, so young that they have not even discovered sex yet. Kids. Kids baited with candy and a persuasive used-car salesman!
Well if you put it that way!
However I’m having a hard time reconciling figurative speech here…like if God knew that Pharoah would say no then whats up with the statement “…the Lord hardened Pharoah’s heart”. As if some external force tampered with the man’s neurons to tip his decision making capabilities. Whats the figurative speech here?