Muslims must return to their original faith, the faith Abraham.

[rikkk1958]

As the Vatican recognized Islam as part of God’s plan for salvation because of the faith of Abraham whom they believe as the ancestor of their nation, I would hope that they turn their back from the teachings of muhammed who deceived them. They would be better off with their faith intact as Abraham did and to follow the true words of God. Ishmael was also blessed and to multiply to be a great nation but because of muhammed, muslims were misled. The deception is characterized by many mistakes of the quran whereby the extent of its contradictions and the incompleteness of its story made it too inferior than the Holy Bible. Muslims must reject muhammed and turn to the true God that the father Abraham had known and to follow God’s words by reading the true book of God which is the Holy Bible.

 

[Nickkname]

As the Vatican recognized Islam as part of God’s plan for salvation because of the faith of Abraham whom they believe as the ancestor of their nation, I would hope that they turn their back from the teachings of muhammed who deceived them. They would be better off with their faith intact as Abraham did and to follow the true words of God. Ishmael was also blessed and to multiply to be a great nation but because of muhammed, muslims were misled. The deception is characterized by many mistakes of the quran whereby the extent of its contradictions and the incompleteness of its story made it too inferior from the Holy Bible. Muslims must reject muhammed and turn to the true God that the father Abraham had known and to follow God’s words by reading the true book of God which is the Holy Bible.

Woah woah wee woah!

Read Lemen Gentium to understand what the Church means when it teaches that Muslims hold Abraham as their ancestor and that they worship with us the one God and Judge of mankind.

 

[Psalter]

Woah woah wee woah!

Read Lemen Gentium to understand what the Church means when it teaches that Muslims hold Abraham as their ancestor and that they worship with us the one God and Judge of mankind.

What does “the Church” mean, Nickkname? Do you think that Muslims don’t need to recognize Jesus Christ the Son of God and turn to the one true Catholic faith to be saved?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

… Do you think that Muslims don’t need to recognize Jesus Christ the Son of God and turn to the one true Catholic faith to be saved?

God does not beget Nor was He begotten.

( holy Quran)

 

[rikkk1958]

Salaam/peace

God does not beget Nor was He begotten.

( holy Quran)

This is the reason why we differ in faith because of you indulgence with the teachings of muhammed. You have in your midst a better book than the quran and all you have to do is concede what muhammed taught then read and try to understand what you have been missing.

 

[planten]

As the Vatican recognized Islam as part of God’s plan for salvation because of the faith of Abraham whom they believe as the ancestor of their nation, I would hope that they turn their back from the teachings of muhammed who deceived them. They would be better off with their faith intact as Abraham did and to follow the true words of God. Ishmael was also blessed and to multiply to be a great nation but because of muhammed, muslims were misled. The deception is characterized by many mistakes of the quran whereby the extent of its contradictions and the incompleteness of its story made it too inferior than the Holy Bible. Muslims must reject muhammed and turn to the true God that the father Abraham had known and to follow God’s words by reading the true book of God which is the Holy Bible.

**Pope is senior to you and knows much more. he did the right thing. Do you think pope kissed the Quran so that Muslims will leave Muhammad?

Now you are telling the Muslims to come to the religion of Abraham. Was Abraham a Jew or a Christian? You should know your mistake by now. Judaism started with the children of Jaob. Christianity started with Jesus many thousand years after Abraham.

Anyhow thatnks for considerign Abraham as a prophet of God.

The Arabs are descendents of Abraham. They are following the traditions set forth by Abraham, even circumcision and sacrifice while you christians have left off every good thing. Muhammad was born in the fiftyth (50th) generation after Abraham.**

 

[planten]

This is the reason why we differ in faith because of you indulgence with the teachings of muhammed. You have in your midst a better book than the quran and all you have to do is concede what muhammed taught then read and try to understand what you have been missing.

**Thanks for the advice and invitation. If youcan prove that your book is superior then it will be welcome. Also Muslim Woman has written “God does not beget nor is he begotten.” That is the absolute truth,

Now you please prove from the bible OT that God begets… If you cannot then it will be proved that you are at fault. Not the Muslims. Let us learn from you about begetting but not from NT. Bring it from OT because that is senior religious book.**

 

[planten]

**I could amend the topic to say that 'Let us all return to the original faith of Abraham. All Jews and Christians and Muslims"

It will be a very good idea. Thanks fro sugegsting it.

He did not believe in Trinity and he did not believe in any God beside One God. He never knew that God had a son or was going to have son… He perhaps never called God as the Father too.

So I suggest that we should all return to the Monotheistic Unitarian faith exactly as it was in the time of Abraham who loved Ishmael and Issac both.**

 

[Angelos]

**I could amend the topic to say that 'Let us all return to the original faith of Abraham. All Jews and Christians and Muslims"

It will be a very good idea. Thanks fro sugegsting it.

He did not believe in Trinity and he did not believe in any God beside One God. He never knew that God had a son or was going to have son… He perhaps never called God as the Father too.

So I suggest that we should all return to the Monotheistic Unitarian faith exactly as it was in the time of Abraham who loved Ishmael and Issac both.**

In order to return to the Abrahamic faith, Muslims must first correct the historical mistakes in their Koran concerning Abraham. It surprisingly took Mohammad’s scribes many years to figure out that Abraham’s two sons were named Ishmael and Isaac rather than Isaac and Jacob. LOL

Mohammad’s scribes were also slow to presume that Abraham had been to Mecca to build the pagan temple with his son Ishmael. However, they had no time to understand and write the fact that Ishmael’s mother was not Sarah, but Hagar, a slave woman.

 

[hamba2han]

Muslims believe that Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was a Muslim i.e. a follower of Islam.

Do “Judaeo-Christians” believe that he was a Jew?

If your answer is ‘No’, then what religion did Prophet Abraham (pbuh) followed and practiced?

 

[planten]

In order to return to the Abrahamic faith, Muslims must first correct the historical mistakes in their Koran concerning Abraham. It surprisingly took Mohammad’s scribes many years to figure out that Abraham’s two sons were named Ishmael and Isaac rather than Isaac and Jacob. LOL

Mohammad’s scribes were also slow to presume that Abraham had been to Mecca to build the pagan temple with his son Ishmael. However, they had no time to understand and write the fact that Ishmael’s mother was not Sarah, but Hagar, a slave woman.

There is no mistake in Quran about these persons. WE know that sarah was not the mother of Ishmael. She was the mother of all slaves.

 

[Psalter]

Salaam/peace

God does not beget Nor was He begotten.

( holy Quran)

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. In him was life: and the life was the light of men…AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

(HOLY BIBLE)

 

[Psalter]

Muslims believe that Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was a Muslim i.e. a follower of Islam.

Do “Judaeo-Christians” believe that he was a Jew?

If your answer is ‘No’, then what religion did Prophet Abraham (pbuh) followed and practiced?

Yes, Christians and Jews both believe Abraham was Jewish.

 

[planten]

Yes, Christians and Jews both believe Abraham was Jewish.

Then Abraham must be the very first Jew on earth?. Then Ishamel would also be a Jew? And Issac will be a Jew? And Sarah too? Please confirm all these things and how do you make Abraham a Jew?

 

[Angelos]

Then Abraham must be the very first Jew on earth?. Then Ishamel would also be a Jew? And Issac will be a Jew? And Sarah too? Please confirm all these things and how do you make Abraham a Jew?

It is actually more plausible for Abraham to be considered a Jew than a Muslim. Islam came to existence only after Mohammad claimed to be the messenger of God. There is no evidence in history that testifies to the Islamic presumption that all prophets had come to preach the same message and to establish the same religion named Islam.

 

[hamba2han]

Yes, Christians and Jews both believe Abraham was Jewish.

Al-Qur’an, 003.065-069
O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye then no sense?
Lo! ye are those who argue about that whereof ye have some knowledge: Why then argue ye concerning that whereof ye have no knowledge? Allah knoweth. Ye know not.
Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters.
Lo! those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who believe (with him); and Allah is the Protecting Guardian of the believers.
A party of the People of the Scripture long to make you go astray; and they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not.

The Qur’an is absolutely right i.e. those who argue about these matters have no knowledge whatsoever about them and they really are basing their arguments on nothing but conjecture.

At the time of the divine revelation to Prophet Moses (pbuh), how on earth can anyone then except God Himself know for certain what really happened at the time of Prophet Abraham (pbuh)?

 

[Angelos]

Al-Qur’an, 003.065-069
O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye then no sense?
Lo! ye are those who argue about that whereof ye have some knowledge: Why then argue ye concerning that whereof ye have no knowledge? Allah knoweth. Ye know not.
Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters.
Lo! those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who believe (with him); and Allah is the Protecting Guardian of the believers.
A party of the People of the Scripture long to make you go astray; and they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not.

The Qur’an is absolutely right i.e. those who argue about these matters have no knowledge whatsoever about them and they really are basing their arguments on nothing but conjecture.

At the time of the divine revelation to Prophet Moses (pbuh), how on earth can anyone then except God Himself know for certain what really happened at the time of Prophet Abraham (pbuh)?

It is pathetic that the quoted Koran verses accuse Jews and Christians of following a conjecture when several other verses illustrate the ignorance of Mohammad’s scribes with regard to Abraham (they made a silly mistake by primarily supposing that the names of Abraham’s two sons were Isaac and Jacob!) and convince the reader that Islam is based on silly assumptions.

Here is my Koran version:

O people of the Koran! Why will you argue about Abraham and unreasonably claim that he was a Muslim when the Koran was not fabricated till after him? Have ye then no sense?
Lo! ye are those who argue about that whereof ye have some knowledge: Why then argue ye concerning that whereof ye have no knowledge? The God of the Bible knows. Ye know not.

Abraham was not a Muslim, nor did he believe in the lies of your messenger ; but he was an upright man who was made by God the father of many nations, and through whom all the nations of the earth were blessed. He was not of the idolaters of Mecca, nor did he build the pagan temple there.

Lo! those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed his faith and became heirs of the promise given to him through Isaac. God is the Protecting Guardian of His believers and His promises.

The followers of the pagan prophet of Mecca long to make Jews and Christians go astray; and they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not.

It seems that I am a much better writer than Mohammad’s scribes.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

It is pathetic that the quoted Koran verses accuse Jews and Christians …It seems that I am a much better writer than Mohammad’s scribes.

"So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands,

then say, “This is from God,” in order to exchange it for a small price.

Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." [Quran 4:46]

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace

"So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands,

then say, “This is from God,” in order to exchange it for a small price.

Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." [Quran 4:46]

This verse refers to Mohammad’s scribes.

 

[rikkk1958]

**Pope is senior to you and knows much more. he did the right thing. Do you think pope kissed the Quran so that Muslims will leave Muhammad?

Now you are telling the Muslims to come to the religion of Abraham. Was Abraham a Jew or a Christian? You should know your mistake by now. Judaism started with the children of Jaob. Christianity started with Jesus many thousand years after Abraham.

Anyhow thatnks for considerign Abraham as a prophet of God.

The Arabs are descendents of Abraham. They are following the traditions set forth by Abraham, even circumcision and sacrifice while you christians have left off every good thing. Muhammad was born in the fiftyth (50th) generation after Abraham.**

Planten, when the Pope kisses your quran it does not mean he worshipped it. The Pope showed goodwill to all people because after all we are God’s children and kissing the quran was to show respect to people who believed in it but it does not mean he think the quran is superior than the Bible.
Regarding Abraham, I just need to say that you are not really following the story of Abraham and I think it is not worth telling you the whole story of Abraham because you think that quran is just the only book you need to follow. But just to answer you in logic, of course Abraham was the father of all nations and it is not right of course to say that Judaism or Christianity were in existence during his time. However, our Book which muhammed respected also is the Book that tells the whole story, not fragmented and contradictory just how muhammed would tell you.
It is of course not acceptable in our part for you telling us how the quran tells the story because obviously muhammed took his knowledge from it but the problem was he was not careful in dealing with authenticity and proper recording which led to errors made by his followers.