Muslims: Please note the Advocate is the Holy Spirit

[dronald]

It doesn’t seem like Jesus fit the Jewish description either.

That was your smoking gun???

What do you mean? And what do you think of everything I posted?

 

[TruthBearer]

What do you mean? And what do you think of everything I posted?

There’s alot that can be said about what you’ve stated. But I’ll say this much.

What I presented was what convinced personally when I was Muslim that Muhammad was was a Prophet in bible. It was in no way meant to be a comprehensive essay as why Muslims believe Muhammad is in the Bible.

So no it was not meant to be a smoking gun.

As far as what you said, it is an interesting perspective. Although there are points of objections that I have with it, but interesting none the less. And I will keep that in mind as continue this research on whether or not Muhammad is in the Bible. And whether or not Jesus is the Messiah or not as prophesied in the Old testament as understood by Jews.

 

[dronald]

There’s alot that can be said about what you’ve stated. But I’ll say this much.

What I presented was what convinced personally when I was Muslim that Muhammad was was a Prophet in bible. It was in no way meant to be a comprehensive essay as why Muslims believe Muhammad is in the Bible.

So no it was not meant to be a smoking gun.

Ah I see.

What threw me off was this comment

For me, that was enough. There was no need to study in more bible back than, and I didn’t

It seemed to me from this that you stopped thinking about it after reading that passage in John; and to me that seemed odd. But I do see now that you’re researching more.

As far as what you said, it is an interesting perspective. Although there are points of objections that I have with it, but interesting none the less. And I will keep that in mind as continue this research on whether or not Muhammad is in the Bible. And whether or not Jesus is the Messiah or not as prophesied in the Old testament as understood by Jews.

Sounds good!

 

[Servant19]

I do not think Islam is in a dilemma.

The Bible has been altered, that is a historical fact. Muslims are taught to neither disbelieve in the bible nor believe in it. Yet there has been enough that has been preserved in the bible to see Muhammad in the bible.

For me, when I was Muslim, there were two collections of verses that convinced me that Muhammad was prophesied in the bible.

Old Testament

**“As for Ishmael, I have heard thee. Behold, I have blessed him… and I will make him a great nation.” **(Genesis 17:20)

The Ishmealites settled in the Arabia. This is a fact. Ishmael was not made a great nation until the coming of Muhammad.

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New Testament**

This is the testimony given by John when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20 He confessed and did not deny it, but confessed, “I am not the Messiah.”[g] 21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you** the prophet**?” He answered, “No.” (John 1:19-21)

In these passages, the Jews were expecting three different prophesied people. The Prophesied Elijah, The Prophesied Messiah, and the Prophesied Prophet…

Catholic and Orthodox argue that the Messiah and the Prophet are same person Jesus.
However, if one looks into the actually prophecies of these two, they will see there is a difference between the two, The Prophesied Messiah, and the Prophesied Prophet…

For me, that was enough. There was no need to study in more bible back than, and I didn’t.

**I’ve studied more bible after I left Islam, then when I was actually Muslim. **Most Muslims do not study the bible, the Quran is enough for them.

Many ex-Christians have converted to Islam based on the Prophecy of the Paraclete, and understood from that, it was speaking about Muhammad. It doesn’t matter what the Church believes about those verses, many ex-Christians have converted to Islam because of those verses.

Go Figure.

At the same time, we have ex-Muslims who have converted to Christianity, based on verses in the Quran, Jesus being the word of God for example. Even though Muslims scholars do not understand it the way ex-Muslims have understood them (those verses pertaining tot he word of God).

Go figure.

If only your praiseworthy studying had not stopped at Islam and the Judeo-Christian religions

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[TruthBearer]

Ah I see.

What threw me off was this comment

It seemed to me from this that you stopped thinking about it after reading that passage in John; and to me that seemed odd. But I do see now that you’re researching more.

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As a Muslim, that was enough evidence. I saw him as a Prophet, as a Muslim with very little evidence from the bible, simply by studying his life, and the impact his teachings through his successors were having on my life at the time. Being able to experience the spiritual side of life, through recitation of the Quran, Sunnah dhikrs, awrad of the Saints of Islam. And I still see him as a prophet, and a man of God.

Many times we waste our time with indepth research and debates. When any religions practiced with sincerity and strong aspiration under the guidance of a spiritual teacher (preferably a living saint) will get you where you need to be, with very little research and no debates.

 

[TruthBearer]

If only your praiseworthy studying had not stopped at Islam and the Judeo-Christian religions

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I am currently studying Buddhism, with side studies of Hinduism and Taoism.
These religions have much more spiritual knowledge than the Abrahamic religions. Abrahamic religions are much more dogmatic, they seem to be more concerned with fixed creeds and practices.

 

[Servant19]

I am currently studying Buddhism, with side studies of Hinduism and Taoism.
These religions have much more spiritual knowledge than the Abrahamic religions. Abrahamic religions are much more dogmatic, they seem to be more concerned with fixed creeds and practices.

Good for you, a true search

Don’t forget to give the Baha’i Writings a good go too…

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[albertparmar]

Anyone can contribute to the question. It was not just for Muslims to comment. Personally I find it hard to take this debate seriously with Muslims who bring this up and state Biblical NT verses to prove the point…while ignoring the rest of the verse(s). :tsktsk:

Top that off with the recognition that the early Church experienced the influence of the Holy Spirit, while Muslims (followers of Islam) in general may choose to ignore or don’t regard historical Christian eschatology when it’s easily available (even in this day and age) for public consumption and analysis.

MJ

Dear Brother,

go to www.youtube.com and search David Wood. He will explain you in details on video.