Muslims, prove the bible is corrupt.....

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Ok, you have not been officially asked… again.
Prove the bible is corrupt.
You have a whole thread dedicated to this task for you.
Provide all the evidence you want.
 
The Qur’an accepts books known as the Tawrat (Torah), Zabur (Psalms), and the Injil (Gospel) as having been given to previous prophets.

Muslim tradition reads the Qur’an as accusing the Jews of having deliberately altered the Torah and the rest of Hebrew Bible, and Christians of deliberately altering the New Testament.

Relevant verses on which the doctrine of tahrif is based are (Yusuf Ali translation):

3:78. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
4:46. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra’ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “We hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but God hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
5:13. But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them — barring a few — ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind.
2:75. Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you? — Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of God, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.
2:58-59, 7:161-2. And remember it was said to them: “Dwell in this town and eat therein as ye wish, but say the word of humility and enter the gate in a posture of humility: We shall forgive you your faults; We shall increase (the portion of) those who do good.” But the transgressors among them changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed.

Amin Ahsan Islahi writes about four types of Tahrif:
  1. To deliberately interpret something in a manner that is totally opposite to the intention of the author. To distort the pronunciation of a word to such an extent that the word changes completely. For example, the word ‘مروه’ was changed to ‘موره’ or ‘موريا’.
  2. To add to or delete a sentence or discourse in a manner that completely distorts the original meaning. For example, according to Islam, the Jews altered the incident of the migration of the Prophet Abraham in a manner that no one could prove that Abraham had any relationship with the Ka‘bah.
  3. To translate a word that has two meanings in the meaning that is totally against the context. For example the Hebrew word that is equivalent to the Arabic ‘ابن’ was translated as ‘son’ whereas it also meant ‘servant’ and ‘slave’.
  4. To raise questions about something that is absolutely clear in order to create uncertainty about it, or to change it completely.
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Dead sea scrolls intact - prooving it hasnt changed.

Quran comes 600 + AD and changes everything taught.

So who is the one who corrupted the truth?

According to the Hadiths - Muhammad was lustful, violent, a thief, a murderer, none of his miracles were ever done in front of man, a pedophile, a teacher of an eye for an eye, an adulterer…

SO here are the Ten Commandments he essentially has broken.

Thou shalt not:
Steal
Kill
Covet
[both neighbors wife and goods]
Bear false witness.
Adultery.

[Jesus said one man and one woman consitutes a marriage]
Anyone with more than one wife [husband] becomes adultery. Muhammad had HOW many wives??
How old were they?
Pillaged how many villages because he coveted land and goods?

It is not the Christian nor the Bible that has been corrupted - hence God maintained the sea scrolls for proof [a miracle] and shows HIS words in the 10 Commandments PROOVING that history and the Bible has not been changed.

Its a TYPICAL argument from those would like to cast such aspirations - because they have no other recourse to convert Christians but to make a false claim that the Bible has been distorted when in fact - that is a strawman, and cannot be prooven. But due to the findings of history - it can be prooven that the Bible has NOT been corrupted.

**Just because someone claims something - doesnt make it true.🤷 **
THIS is especially true of Muhammad and his alledged miracles that not one witness ever saw nor claimed to see. ALL of this ‘prophethood’ based on the character witness. And who on earth doesnt start to either believe the praise - or doesnt act so as not to lose such praise???

AND we all know - if the proof isnt there - it doesnt matter if 1000 people like someone because they are under a thrall [entranced] then they are not a true prophet. CHARISMA is an evil power that even Hitler owned.
But if the evidence is there, then we can believe…WHICH IS why Jesus showed His miracles…

MUHAMMAD had to work his way up to getting disciples.

Jesus could go from town town and not disappoint anyone because miracles occurred wherever He went…IN the OPEN.
So much was His evident reputation that a miracle occurred simply from a woman touching the hem of his clothes…WHICH is why at His death - 3000 in close range to the Apostles believed. Because they saw what He had done while alive - not one doubted He had risen and was the Messiah. [Savior]

You** will FIND NO WHERE this occurred with Muhammad.**

NOT one single healing - not one.
 
And for the sake propriety, I am adding that the original copies of the NT [New Testament] have been kept intact at the Church and altho they cannot be touched - they have been carbon tested and prooven to be originals…altho they disintegrate - at least the originals are proof.

Furthermore - the life of Muhammad has been given ‘exageration’ in their tradition and nothing from his time is intact.

So they will elaborate on the wonderful things of Muhammad. While not even sure of his true life.

God would have certainly kept his body uncorrupted if he was a great prophet or if he was the greatest prophet may have taken him to Heaven as He did for Henoch [rather unknown really], Moses, and Elijah [and Mary]

But not even a chance of rising? And yet greater than Jesus Who Rose from the dead?

🤷

There is no proof from islam.
None.
 
dolphinlove said:
Ok, you have not been officially asked… again.
Prove the bible is corrupt.
You have a whole thread dedicated to this task for you.
Provide all the evidence you want.
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Hi Dolphin,

I already had started this thread yesterday, so perhaps the Mods and Admins can delete mine, move the member answers to yours so we can have 1 thread for “Bible Corruption”

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=311157

I honestly don’t mind at all… 👍

Have a great weekend… and best regards,
Pam
 
A typical Muslim reply would be because its mentioned in Quran per the following:

(Quran 2:75):
“Can ye (O ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you? Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.”

(Quran 2:79):
“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from Allah,” to traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.”

(Quran 4:46):
“Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear, may you not hear;” and “Ra’ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said; “We hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”: it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.”

(Quran 3:78):
“There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!”

(Quran 5:41):
“O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into Unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say “We believe” with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews, - men who will listen to any lie, - will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware! "If anyone’s trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such, it is not Allah’s will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.”
 
It would be a sad world if Islam was correct.

Jesus taught LOVE, giving, forgiveness, emptying ourselves of selfishness, humility, patience, perseverence, and sacrifice for the sake of Church and other.

SO if those attributes are wrong - then this world be hopeless.

The koran only teaches men are favored and selfisness is key.
 
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