Muslims say they will conquer the world...

[oldcatholicguy]

Kennedy didn’t so much divide the country as he divided his wife among his countless others.

But going back to Iberia, I studied Monsignor Kelly’s book, ‘Blood Drenched Altars’, the suffering Spain underwent by 700 years of plundering, the second class status of Jews and Christians, how they had to wear green and some kind of badge, how they didn’t have full rights in Cordoba…I read a document of it, and Islam appeared quite totalitarian and inhumane in its golden age at Cordoba.

Anyone who thinks life was all peaches and cream for non-Muslims living in Cordoba during that time period needs to take off their rose colored glasses. Anyone who thinks the treatment of non-Muslims in Cordoba during that time period is somehow unique to Muslim kingdoms and states needs to dust off the history books on their shelves and actually read them.

 

[Augustine3]

the equivalent of a muslim is a Catholic since it is practically the same religion they have.

That’s 100% incorrect my friend. Deep study of both religions proves your statement is wrong.

God bless,

 

[oldcatholicguy]

I’m sorry but I missed what was so funny about the “… slaughter as we slaughter…” part.

I guess some regard islam as a religion of peace, maybe even a twin religion to Catholicism. So no matter what a person says about islam it can be turned around against them as if they were speaking about Catholics, because the equivalent of a muslim is a Catholic since it is practically the same religion they have. It seems anything said about islam can be turned around to mean “muslims are bad” or it’s the same thing about Catholics.

The only time “the Catholic faith is the same as the Islamic faith” is true is when you are talking about both having good and bad people within them. Look to their doctrines and teachings and the argument falls apart rather quickly (for starters each has a different understanding and concept of God).

As for the “for every bad thing you can say about Muslims I can cite a similar example by Catholics,” yeah that’s true. But outside of correcting people who use the “X are bad because they did Y” it’s a useless argument. It’s useless because it focuses on the actions of individuals (believer in X and believer in Y) within the systems and not on the systems themselves (faith X and faith Y).

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

JPJ: I was under the impression that this refers to the ritual slaughter of animals as per Islamic regulations, as this is what fits in with the context of the rest of the saying (stuff about the “qibla”, for instance, which concerns the direction that Muslims must face when performing their ritual prayers). Perhaps I’m wrong here, but I never took it as anything sinister (well, unless you’re an animal, I guess).

So if that is true then where is the altar for sacrifice in a mosque? I thought there is no ritual slaughter for sin offering in islam because they don’t believe in it. And if it refers not to ritual slaughter as was performed in the Temple or other types of animal sacrifice practice by certain sect in the region (which are even done today) but to the preperation of meat in halal, it might not look sinister but it does go against everything Saint Paul taught.

So go ahead you can imply I’m an aminal, if that amuses you. Pardon me I don’t find it amusing having Christianity replaced by islam.

That’s 100% incorrect my friend. Deep study of both religions proves your statement is wrong.

God bless,

You basically took it out of context . I hope you understand it’s not my sentiment, but a point of veiw which I notice some people have who would rather defend islam than admit there is a problem of persecution in the world.

 

[dzheremi]

So if that is true then where is the altar for sacrifice in a mosque? I thought there is no ritual slaughter for sin offering in islam because they don’t believe in it. And if it refers not to ritual slaughter as was performed in the Temple or other types of animal sacrifice practice by certain sect in the region (which are even done today) but to the preperation of meat in halal, it might not look sinister but it does go against everything Saint Paul taught.

So go ahead you can imply I’m an aminal, if that amuses you. Pardon me I don’t find it amusing having Christianity replaced by islam.

Wow. I guess I haven’t explained this well enough. Let me try again: “Slaughter as we slaughter” refers to the ritual slaughter of animals according halal dietary guidelines, hence this portion of the hadith is not terribly menacing unless you are an animal, since they are the only ones directly affected by it.

I’m kind of impressed, in a weird way, with how creative that interpretation of my post is…I’m sorry if that sounds rude, but I just mean I that I could not have seen this particular response coming in a million years. Bravo, CAF. You still manage to surprise me.

 

[stevekehl]

Very disturbing video; youtu.be/Ne6W3ceMc_cin Belgium the largest religious group are the muslims; because they are not affected by modernism, they are the only ones that make kids…50 years they will be the majority and they want to change democracy into sharia, the muslim law…
Somebody forgot something on those immigration papers…
And they are allowed to skip evolutionism in the science classes!!!? How did they do it?

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world? Islam is not nearly as united as the western media portrays, the world will have the same strife it always has.

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

Wow. I guess I haven’t explained this well enough. Let me try again: “Slaughter as we slaughter” refers to the ritual slaughter of animals according halal dietary guidelines, hence this portion of the hadith is not terribly menacing unless you are an animal, since they are the only ones directly affected by it.

I’m kind of impressed, in a weird way, with how creative that interpretation of my post is…I’m sorry if that sounds rude, but I just mean I that I could not have seen this particular response coming in a million years. Bravo, CAF. You still manage to surprise me.

I didn’t find what Augustine3 quoted as amusing, neither did I find it comforting. What is wrong with that? And you should use the indefinite pronoun “one” as in “unless one is an animal” this way it will not seem that you are implying the person you are talking to is an animal.

Regardless you can not prove “slaughter as we slaughter…” isn’t menacing. And knowing about halal doesn’t make the hadith less menacing. There is a whole thing I wanted to say about Saint Paul’s teachings and halal that I don’t have time to explain.

The basic point is that the Christians have a form of worship which is the holy sacrifrice of the Mass. That hadith is bascially saying in so many words conform to our religion and you will be safe from us. Thus this hadith is menacing to people who do not worship the islamic way.

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’** And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us **and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” - Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387

 

[dzheremi]

Hmm. Your tips on English usage notwithstanding, you are right: I cannot prove anything about a religion I’m not even a member of, nor am I interested in doing so. I merely posted that because it is a charitable interpretation of the hadith, and more importantly it’s the interpretation I’ve heard from Muslims. It is saying “do as we do”, but what you make of the portion about slaughter probably says more about how you approach the text than anything else. Don’t get me wrong – there are plenty of passages from the hadith that are highly disturbing, menacing, and deeply offensive to me…I’m just saying that, since that is the case, I see this hadith as one of the less offensive. But by all means, it never hurts to be vigilant, and Islam has given us plenty of reason to be, both historically and in the modern age.

 

[Reuben_J]

To the OP: Ain’t we also are saying we want to conquer the world too?

 

[Augustine3]

I didn’t find what Augustine3 quoted as amusing, neither did I find it comforting.

It was not meant to be amusing or comforting, I was simply raising caution. I have seen and heard how Muslims treat non-Muslims and it’s not pretty. I’ll give you an example from a nun’s personal testimony of interviewing a non-Muslim living in the Middle East:

She was living peacefully with her husband, she was 6 months pregnant. One day she received a threatening letter in the post demanding either her and her husband become Muslim or die. A few nights later a bunch of Muslim men broke into their house and forced her husband to watch as they took turns raping her. After that they killed her husband in front of her. And after that they forced her on the floor face and tummy down and took turns jumping on her back until the child in her womb was killed. This is not an isolated incident performed by fanatics but one of many many things that go in the Middle East that you don’t hear about in the media.

If you’re still not convinced then allow actions to speak louder than words. What happens when the majority of Muslims live in a non-Muslim country? They refuse to be governed by a non-Muslim government and demand sharia law to be implemented, look at Pakistan and the circumstances of how it became Muslim. It’s part of their religion to impose sharia law. In my resident country Australia they are now starting to propose to implement sharia law “alongside” government law claiming they have parallel morals and values. Take a guess where this will lead to?

God bless,

 

[Yazdgerd]

My descendants many many years ago were Zoroastrians. In the 18th century, they converted to Catholicism which we hold dear to us to this very day.

As angry as I am with Muslims for what they have done in modern and ancient times, I must remember to lay aside my anger to pray and love these lost souls.

I think of how they persecuted the Christians and Zoroastrians following the great wars of the 7th century. How they burned the Academy of Gundishapur, saying “The Qu’Ran is the only book for us”. How they conquered my people. How they rewrote history.

No matter how burned up I get, I have to remember that they are God’s children too and to pray for their salvation. It is always better to turn the other cheek I say

 

[MartinJordan]

My descendants many many years ago were Zoroastrians. In the 18th century, they converted to Catholicism which we hold dear to us to this very day.

As angry as I am with Muslims for what they have done in modern and ancient times, I must remember to lay aside my anger to pray and love these lost souls.

I think of how they persecuted the Christians and Zoroastrians following the great wars of the 7th century. How they burned the Academy of Gundishapur, saying “The Qu’Ran is the only book for us”. How they conquered my people. How they rewrote history.

No matter how burned up I get, I have to remember that they are God’s children too and to pray for their salvation. It is always better to turn the other cheek I say

Wow. You are in my prayers and yes, I also do pray for them Muslims; also that they are now converting to Christianity all hope is not lost.

MJ

 

[Yazdgerd]

Anyone who thinks life was all peaches and cream for non-Muslims living in Cordoba during that time period needs to take off their rose colored glasses. Anyone who thinks the treatment of non-Muslims in Cordoba during that time period is somehow unique to Muslim kingdoms and states needs to dust off the history books on their shelves and actually read them.

No one seems to hear much about the persecution of Catholics in Spain from the Umayyads all the way through to the Almoravids and Almohads towards the time of the discovery of the New World…

It is almost as if there is a time of romanticism when it comes to the Umayyads and their successors: Let us remember it for what it was: a travesty. Some of their minarets have become great Catholic spires, namely the Giralda. But no matter how hard I try and dismiss this, it always seems to me that there is a strong force that will demonise the Spanish, screaming “Inquisition” when the argument get difficult…

I am sure we can all agree that Our Church has done things that we in the 21st Century would disagree with. I hope that these wounds can be healed, and ultimately, become scars of strength in an increasingly secular, politically correct, and Islamocentric world…

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

John Paul Jones;10066249:

I didn’t find what Augustine3 quoted as amusing, neither did I find it comforting.

It was not meant to be amusing or comforting, I was simply raising caution. I have seen and heard how Muslims treat non-Muslims and it’s not pretty.

I know what you said was not meant to be that. Maybe I should had explain myself better. What I should had said was ‘I didn’t find see what what (name removed by moderator) saw was funny.’ [in reference to: see quote below] And dzheremi’s explaination didn’t adress the point I was making. Bypass all of that, it was in reference to what he said "…hadith is not terribly menacing " …so I replied ‘neither did I find it comforting.’

I’ll give you an example from a nun’s personal testimony of interviewing a non-Muslim living in the Middle East:

I don’t know what to say, but keep them in your prayers, I know of a lot of examples, they’re so horrible I can’t really talk about them.

If you’re still not convinced then allow actions to speak louder than words. What happens when the majority of Muslims live in a non-Muslim country? They refuse to be governed by a non-Muslim government and demand sharia law to be implemented, look at Pakistan and the circumstances of how it became Muslim. It’s part of their religion to impose sharia law. In my resident country Australia they are now starting to propose to implement sharia law “alongside” government law claiming they have parallel morals and values. Take a guess where this will lead to?

God bless,

I think you meant look at north-west India and how it came about, Pakistan came about because of islamism. Now half the country is controled by militant islamist (an entity outside the Pakistan gov’t).

 

[stevekehl]

I sincerely doubt the terrorist form of Islam will gain any real hold on the civilized world. Most people recognize the terrorism for what it is. The only reason Islam is treated the way it is is that it is seen as a minority religion. They are playing the victim and claiming discrimination. While in some cases I will admit, yes they are being too widely labeled as terrorists, and many aare peaceful. Other claims for pity are far too silly to take them seriously (“oh, they only killed all those people in the US embassy because they were offended, we should pity those poor mocked Muslims even though Christians get mocked far more and nobody dies”).

If Islam were to actually gain momentum, get converts, and become more mainstream, all the liberals will see that Islam isn’t any more tolerant of sin than Christianity is.

You should study the history of Lebanon. A majority Christian nation who tolerated the PLO moving in during the 1970s. A decade later the country was in ruins. Beirut went form being the “Paris of the Middle East” to the capital of a third world country.

 

[MartinJordan]

You should study the history of Lebanon. A majority Christian nation who tolerated the PLO moving in during the 1970s. A decade later the country was in ruins. Beirut went form being the “Paris of the Middle East” to the capital of a third world country.

Quite right. My dad who visited Beirut back in the late 60s described it was one of the most beautiful cities he’d ever seen. Still talks about it and at times gets depressed about how things just went topsy turvy from the mid 70s onwards.

MJ