Muslims, what exactly do you believe?

[spn82756]

Considering all the Christians that are being killed recently and no outrage from any Muslims, Islam doesn’t seem that peaceful to me. Just recently they had a nasty celebration in India and they destroyed a lot of other people’s property. Video.

They celeberated Mohammad’s birthday by looting Kafir’s shops and burning Kafir’s Houses.

There have been a lot of Churches destroyed in a lot of different countries by Muslims. In Nigeria there were about 500 Christians killed by Muslims and they were just butchered.

There was an incident last month on UCIrvine where Muslims were just downright rude to a guest speaker and then on the UCBerkeley campus a Jewess was attacked. They are on campuses claiming that the Israelis are committing apartheid when it is the opposite case. Muslims demand others be subjugated and those Sharia laws give non-Muslims no legal rights.

In Sweden they are fleeing because of Muslims persecuting them.

It sounds like they are following their Sharia laws and waging Jihad, and trying to intimidate us.

The Catholics should be listening to the Muslims too because they are putting this sort of stuff on their state controlled TV and we all know how the Muslims here support Hamas: Hamas Sermon in Gaza on Al-Aqsa TV: Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam

The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon delivered in the Gaza Strip, which aired on Hamas’ Al-Aqsa TV on March 5, 2010 (to view this clip, visit memritv.org/clip/en/2410.htm).
This is followed by other MEMRI TV clips from Al-Aqsa TV on the coming Islamic ‘conquest of Rome’ (to view the MEMRI TV page for Al-Aqsa TV, visit memritv.org/content/en/tv_channel_indiv.htm?id=175)..)

Welcome to the forum qwerk! Great to have you.

With a new poster…maybe I’ll un-ignore planten now.

 

[Vile_Servant]

Islam is not a pacifist religion.

Jesus taught;

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV

Listen to Jesus and you will find true peace in your soul.

 

[planten]

Welcome to the forum qwerk! Great to have you.

With a new poster…maybe I’ll un-ignore planten now.

spn, I never thought you were too weak to work alone against me. Now that you have got a good partner (qwerk), I am afraid both of you together will be able to bring me down easily, quickly.

I am happy that I am about to be removed from the ignor(ants) list.

 

[qwerk]

qwerk, this is not the platform to discuss such things. If you have any question, you may ask us. But do not present adverse notes against islam here. The present day Muslims and christians are doing many bad things. So we should leave them alone. We should get on with something more useful, about religious beliefs, not about politics.

I bring this up because it shows what Muslims believe by either their actions or their lack of outrage, or their lack of any effort to change the atrocious deeds that the Jihadists do.

Most of the religious beliefs are stolen from the Bible and then they are not even retold very well. And if there is such a closeness to Judaism, then why so much Jew hatred in the Quran? I don’t really expect an answer to that since it was thought up by a dead guy.

The religious rites were taken from Muhammad’s pagan religion such as the black rock, kabaa, and what they do there. Ramadan is mostly about how warriors fast and gorge. Fast during the day because they don’t have a lot of time to take a lunch break when they are attacking others, and then eat at night when hostilities either wound down or they had breaks in their attacks. Muhammad broke his idea of Ramadan at times.

Thanks spnspn82756 for the welcome.

 

[qwerk]

I think what the Muslims write sounds all good and nice, but if it isn’t convenient anymore then they change. And we saw that change in the campuses not only this year but in the past. We saw that change during the Israeli/Gaza war too. We see Muslims carrying on in Africa and I have yet to meet a Muslim who cares what their Jihadists do in the name of Allah if those Jihadists were so wrong.

The PMW website is very telling of what the Sunni clerics are teaching.

I assume you all have seen the videos about the hate literature found in too many Mosques in the USA.

 

[qwerk]

spn, I never thought you were too weak to work alone against me. Now that you have got a good partner (qwerk), I am afraid both of you together will be able to bring me down easily, quickly.

I am happy that I am about to be removed from the ignor(ants) list.

Now this post is why I find that the way is not in Islam no matter how many pretty words are written to try to convince us what it is, it is the true self that shines through. The paranoia of Muhammad is showing. And using words such as ‘weak’, ‘bring me down’, ‘work against me’ are very telling in this very short post.

 

[qwerk]

One belief of Muslims is the permissability to deceive us, taqiyya. And this is a part of Islam and Muhammad said that it was good to deceive if it advances Islam.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

You better believe that many people of other faiths lie, but they are not told that it is a good deed.

“Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam.

I am sure I will be accused of being hateful and bigoted, but Muhammad gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended him. There are many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith.

There is deception to make Islam seem more attractive too. They know about abrogation and they use the ‘there is no compulstion in religion’ and will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Muhammad was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

If one wants to really know what Muslims think, look to their Sharia laws. If the terrorists were really misunderstanding Islam then they would be breaking their laws but they are not and instead revered.

 

[spn82756]

One belief of Muslims is the permissability to deceive us, taqiyya. And this is a part of Islam and Muhammad said that it was good to deceive if it advances Islam.

Sounds like what the great Deceiver himself would do.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Well…when the truth about your religion isn’t good enough to convince people…then you have to lie to fool people.

You better believe that many people of other faiths lie, but they are not told that it is a good deed.

“Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam.

Satan encourages lying. Not the God of Abraham. He detests lying.

I am sure I will be accused of being hateful and bigoted, but Muhammad gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended him. There are many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith.

How can you be a biggot…you haven’t attacked anyone here. You’ve pointed out the truth of a belief system.

There is deception to make Islam seem more attractive too. They know about abrogation and they use the ‘there is no compultion in religion’ and will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Muhammad was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

Are you trying to tell me that in muslim countries…you won’t be killed for leaving islam? Now come on…you know that in many muslim countries you can be put to death for leaving the false religion.

If one wants to really know what Muslims think, look to their Sharia laws. If the terrorists were really misunderstanding Islam then they would be breaking their laws but they are not and instead revered.

You mean like those people that put fatwas out to kill cartoonists and authors and those that are of real Abrahamic faiths?

 

[qwerk]

That is what is done to people who tell the truth about Islam. They are told they are bigots, Islamophobes, and other names. Name calling is very common in the Quran too. You know the pigs, apes, kufir, etc.

Anyway, here is something from “Dr. Sina also takes Dr. Daniel Pipes to task for his espousal of the ‘moderate Muslim’ myth, the subject of the debate between he and Dr. Sultan in a Toronto Jewish synagogue on March 3rd.”:

"Muslims chant the Quran for thawab (reward), but they don’t study it and often don’t understand what they read.

The hatred of the Jews is in the Quran. The first sura of this book is a prayer where Muslims supplicate to Allah “Show us the straight path. The path of those whom Thou hast favored; not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.”

Muslims agree that “those whom Allah has favored,” are Muslims, “those who earn Allah’s anger,” and “those who go astray” are Jews, and Christians, respectively.

Jews are stereotyped as greedy in all Muslim countries. This is due to quranic verse that says Jews “cling to life more eagerly than any other people. …every one of them would love to live a thousand years,” but they will burn I hell. (2:96)"

 

[Art321]

What happened to this thread?! Please everyone, this tread was meant to learn about Muslim beliefs! If this continues on attacking the Muslims, I will close this thread!

 

[planten]

Jesus taught;

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV

Listen to Jesus and you will find true peace in your soul.

Excellent post Vile Servant. Give us anything of this type with love from Jesus. Thanks.

 

[qwerk]

What happened to this thread?! Please everyone, this tread was meant to learn about Muslim beliefs! If this continues on attacking the Muslims, I will close this thread!

It is about Muslim beliefs. Can you be specific where it went astray? I am only covering what is in the Quran, Sharia laws that are based on the Quran, Sira, and Hadith, and explaining some things from these books.

The problem is that you want to hear all the goody goody stuff that the Muslims will tell you because of the holy deception called taqiyya. Sometimes things are not as pleasant as all that.

Do you want us to just tell you about the distorted Bible stories in the Quran or the verses that were abrogated?

 

[qwerk]

Excellent post Vile Servant. Give us anything of this type with love from Jesus. Thanks.

Muslims are not taught that in the Quran though so why do Muslims expect that but do not return it? They give lip service to it on forums such as this but in practice it isn’t true in any of their countries.

 

[planten]

I bring this up because it shows what Muslims believe by either their actions or their lack of outrage, or their lack of any effort to change the atrocious deeds that the Jihadists do.

qwerk, you are right about some Muslims. But it is better not to discuss what the present day christians are doing or what the present day Muslims are doing. Forget that and bring something good from your book. Discuss the basic good principles of religions without attacking any one, please.

Most of the religious beliefs are stolen from the Bible and then they are not even retold very well. And if there is such a closeness to Judaism, then why so much Jew hatred in the Quran? I don’t really expect an answer to that since it was thought up by a dead guy

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You are again way off the right track. Do you want that some Muslims tell you the reality of your bibleNT?? It is because of people like you that church is not allowed to preach in any Muslim country.

 

[qwerk]

qwerk, you are right about some Muslims. But it is better not to discuss what the present day christians are doing or what the present day Muslims are doing. Forget that and bring something good from your book. Discuss the basic good principles of religions without attacking any one, please.

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You are again way off the right track. Do you want that some Muslims tell you the reality of your bibleNT?? It is because of people like you that church is not allowed to preach in any Muslim country.

But if you call Christians bad then why do they allow Muslims to live among them and enjoy the benefits of our society. Our laws deal with bad people whether they be Christians not following Christ’s teachings and bad Muslims who are following the teachings of Muhammad. While in Muslim lands they are persecuted whether they are bad or not. They are only persecuted because they are Christian.

 

[planten]

I think what the Muslims write sounds all good and nice, but if it isn’t convenient anymore then they change. And we saw that change in the campuses not only this year but in the past. We saw that change during the Israeli/Gaza war too. We see Muslims carrying on in Africa and I have yet to meet a Muslim who cares what their Jihadists do in the name of Allah if those Jihadists were so wrong.

The PMW website is very telling of what the Sunni clerics are teaching.

I assume you all have seen the videos about the hate literature found in too many Mosques in the USA.

qwerk, spn had invited you to do some digging (spade work). So, You are digging the grave of your own religion. Very good spade work.

 

[qwerk]

You can write what you want about the reality of the New Testament. I am sure you will. But I have never met a Muslim who has read the Bible. They usually take their conception of the Bible from their Imam. I have also read where they are usually bothered by Paul. I don’t know why if they read the Bible but they do not. They get that from their Quran too.

If you want to talk the Bible we can do so on a thread you start, but make sure you read it before I start talking about it. I don’t want to talk about it and really be talking about the Quran’s distorted conceptions of it.

 

[qwerk]

qwerk, spn had invited you to do some digging (spade work). So, You are digging the grave of your own religion. Very good spade work.

Are you threatening me? I do not understand your comment at all in relation to what the Muslim cleric has said in PMW about their aiming for Rome, or other undesirable sermons on that site.

 

[qwerk]

Crowd of 3 thousand Muslims attack a Coptic Christian community, 25 injured

A quote: "At the moment of the attack the Christian prayer house contained four priests, one deacon and about 400 parishioners. Christians say that the building under construction, in fact, is a nursing home and said they were “terrified” by the latest attack. The local imam Shaikh Khamees intervention during Friday prayers has helped to foment the anger of Muslims. He emphasized the duty to fight against the “enemies” of Islam and stressed that “we do not tolerate the Christian presence in our area.” "

This is what I am talking about and this is not in the Gaza by Palestinian clerics but in Egypt. In Africa we read 300-500 Christians butchered. All have one thing in common - Islam. Muslim clerics riling up the locals and following their Quran, Sharia laws.

I can post oodles of videos of American Muslim clerics preaching the same sort of thing. And if we ‘dig deeper’ with a spade then we find it all is in the Quran.

 

[planten]

One belief of Muslims is the permissability to deceive us, taqiyya. And this is a part of Islam and Muhammad said that it was good to deceive if it advances Islam.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Qwerk, the Op had asked the Muslims about their various beliefs. We are trying to tell our beliefs, even to our own disadavantage. It is none of your business to tell our beliefs. You please tell your beliefs, not those of Muslims. Or, you can ask a genuine decent question. We will reply and remove any misunderstanding.

You need not believe and become a Muslim if you do not feel like. But please stay calm and patient. You will be rewarded.

As far as I am concerned, this thread can continue for any decent questions that remain to be answered.