Muslims4Lent

[oldcatholicguy]

The phrasal verb “make up”, like many phrasal verbs, has a variety of idiomatic meanings. When applied to an utterance of supposed fact, it implies dishonesty:

usingenglish.com/reference/phrasal-verbs/make+up.html

Not actually a source for the phrase having a primary meaning of “lying, lied” dating back to 1665 now is it. Perhaps the figure of three and half centuries was made up?

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Thanks for this oldcatholicguy

So the history in the OT is acknowledged to be incorrect in places, yet the theology is true.
Do you have a source for this teaching please?

Would the same apply to the NT too?

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For the OT and NT- Catholic teachings; I think similar applies to the OT under Jewish theology, but that’s just a guess.

 

[DebChris]

Where in the Bible or the Quran does it state that Jesus or Muhammad is the fulfillment of ALL Truth please?

Can you also please show me where historical errors exist in the Quran that denies Jesus?

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Very often when a person reads Scripture they are looking for explicit answers instead of looking at the symbolism and reading scripture as a whole.
There is a reason Jesus took 3 Apostles with Him to Mt. Tabor. 2 to 3 witnesses are needed in order to validate the testimony of the witnesses. Elijah represents the Prophets and Moses the Law. Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets. The Apostles serve as witness to this.

 

[Servant19]

Very often when a person reads Scripture they are looking for explicit answers instead of looking at the symbolism and reading scripture as a whole.

…which is exactly the manner in which one should read the Quran, especially in relation to Jesus’ crucifixion, and especially when compared to other verses in the Quran which specifically state that those loved ones of God who were martyred for their faith also do not die, just as Jesus did not die on the cross.

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[Mystophilus]

Mind citing your source?

I did in the other post: the OED. It lists consistent usage of “made up” for the fabrication of fictitious accounts starting with J. Spalding’s Memorialls Trubles of Scotland & England (1642-50), II. 202, “Declairing [that] these wemen…war persuadit and intysit to mak wp this sclander” and continuing through the centuries. There is an American one in 1869, L. M. Alcott’s Little Women, II. iv. 54, “The parts that were taken straight out of real life, are denounced as impossible and absurd, and the scenes that I made up out of my own silly head, are pronounced…‘true’.”

 

[Mystophilus]

You apparently don’t get it.

I certainly don’t get your peculiar assumption, in spite of its history of usage and the reactions of other posters here, that “make up” does not mean that the story is fictitious, or why you imagine that “being in league with” the Devil is morally equivalent to “being deceived by” the Devil.

If we can’t know the source of the Quran then it coming from the Devil is a valid option. Also if we can’t know the source of the Quran then we can’t know the intent of the author or of Muhammad. That means the worse possible moral option would be Muhammad making it up with a dishonest intent, but the Devil making it up with a dishonest intent and Muhammad spreading it as from God with a dishonest intent. You seem to have a problem understanding your own criteria and how it affects your need to paint those who state that Muhammad made it up in a bad light.

Still you presume that the necessity of involving the Devil at all is for Muhammad to be in league with the Devil, ignoring what your own Catechism says, and then there is the ad hominem in place of an actual argument.

Since you still seem to have issue with what should be an easy to understand concept, I’ll use as few words a possible to help you
-Muhammad made up the Quran with a dishonest intent
-Muhammad made up the Quran with an honest intent

Both the of the above claim Muhammad made up the Quran, but only one does so based upon the idea Muhammad was trying to do something dishonest; and for some reason you apparently think the only valid one of those two is that he was being dishonest.

All your condescension aside, the problem here is, as stated, the fact that you are using “made up” in a way which deviates from its normal usage.

However, since you are now stooping to personal attacks, I will finish right there.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Well Muhammad didn’t make a claim

So the answer is NO. Thanks

Well I’m not making an assumption.

Opinion, nothing more.

We are looking for scholarly, objective analysis Gary, not the writings of professed enemies of Islam. That passage has errors in it.

Best you could do is opinion, rather hear from friends of Mohammed, I see. Tell you what you want to hear, very good.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Return to the subject of the OP please

 

[Tom_Baum]

Well Muhammad didn’t make a claim to be any greater than Jesus. They both made one major prophecy and that was it.
If that makes Muhammad not a Prophet, but rather “Divine” like Jesus then so be it, I’m comfortable with that.

The “whole” of Christianity is that God became One of us in the Incarnation, the Quran, as far as I know not only denies this but also says, from what I have heard, that Jesus did NOT die on the cross, which, by the way, is another “big point” of Christianity.

These two things are not the only things different, so to speak, but these two things point out that either Christianity or Islam is bogus or that they are both bogus because they sure can’t both be true.

Well I’m not making an assumption. My statement is based on the fact that Jesus explicitly professed that He didn’t reveal all Truth, but that the Spirit of Truth will do that, not Jesus.

Actually, Jesus said that He Is Truth when He said, “I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life”, isn’t that what He is reported to have said?

Jesus did also say that He would send the Holy Spirit “to guide us…”.

We are looking for scholarly, objective analysis Gary, not the writings of professed enemies of Islam. That passage has errors in it.

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[tmcq]

Muslims doing Lent they are 1X10^1dou oh decaa qudrillinth on the road to Heaven.Sorry Denzinger 714 says they are going to hell.My mistake.