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I’m new here but after reading quite a lot of this for the last few months, it would appear that there are a lot of “Traditional Catholics” who would like to convert the rest of us by using a shovel to the head rather than by example and kindness and Charity or , dare I say it…instruction. I say this not to be mean or be a jerk but to ask you to refocus on what you are really doing here in the Trad forum

I’m a convert, so I had very little background with the TLM and certainly no instruction. I never SAW a TLM and all my training was NO. I was invited by a friend who attends a TLM to come see it and I was interested as I had only seen a NO mass. I attended and have been attending the TLM ever since. It’s small and very personal and I can truly concentrate on what’s actually going on. It keeps my attention because it is not readily accessible-for lack of a better phrase–without concentration and paying attention. Again, this is just me.

To those people who are in this group and responding, know that it would seem to be a lot more helpful to educate those of us (or at least point us in the right direction with sources) who are trying to learn and grow than to argue or pick up the shovel…(tongue firmly planted in cheek)
 
I’m not a regular attendee of the TLM, and I don’t plan to be. The “shovel to the side of the head” method, as contrasted to the “preach always; if necessary, use words” method of St. Francis, is hardly the sole property of one end of the Church or the other. In their defense, it does seem to be used most by those in the Church who feel they are still smarting from the shovels hitting their own skulls. That’s not an excuse, but still.

Of course, one cannot truly preach the Gospel unless one is charitable: patient, kind, and all the rest. Nevertheless, I dare say that most adherents of “shovel evangelization” are not nearly as uncharitable in practice as those who use the “preach never” method. Wouldn’t you? 😉
 
bubba451 said:
I’m new here but after reading quite a lot of this for the last few months, it would appear that there are a lot of “Traditional Catholics” who would like to convert the rest of us by using a shovel to the head rather than by example and kindness and Charity or , dare I say it…instruction. I say this not to be mean or be a jerk but to ask you to refocus on what you are really doing here in the Trad forum

I’m a convert, so I had very little background with the TLM and certainly no instruction. I never SAW a TLM and all my training was NO. I was invited by a friend who attends a TLM to come see it and I was interested as I had only seen a NO mass. I attended and have been attending the TLM ever since. It’s small and very personal and I can truly concentrate on what’s actually going on. It keeps my attention because it is not readily accessible-for lack of a better phrase–without concentration and paying attention. Again, this is just me.

** To those people who are in this group and responding, know that it would seem to be a lot more helpful to educate those of us (or at least point us in the right direction with sources)** who are trying to learn and grow than to argue or pick up the shovel…(tongue firmly planted in cheek)
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Dear Bubba,

It sounds as though your testimony is to do just that - teach.

To me it is awesome how God is bringing so many of our Protestant brethern - of which i was one some 30 years ago - into the Catholic Church. With them comes such an awesome zeal for our Lord, that it ignites the fire in others.

I am not Latin Rite, but I encourage you to share the truths you are finding as your journey continues into the Lord Jesus Christ - the Triune God, his Church, and the saints.

God bless you!
 
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I’m a convert, so I had very little background with the TLM and certainly no instruction. I never SAW a TLM and all my training was NO. I was invited by a friend who attends a TLM to come see it and I was interested as I had only seen a NO mass. I attended and have been attending the TLM ever since.
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I don’t know much about preaching but you certainly pick your friends well. 🙂
 
I am not TLM, but I see much benefit in truth over politics, my own soul was lost for years because of liberals- years in which I encountered snakes, car crashes and other events-

Also, these other non-judges- are responsible for the loss of my soul and others- TLM has much more appeal in their orthodoxy- as for me, I am Novus Order, but I wish I had known orthodox spade smashers then, I may have been saved- instead, I was nearly killed forever.

🙂 😉 :o 😦 :rolleyes: :cool:

my conversion

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HUH? Pardon me? Not sure what that has to do with what I posted…you have to be accountable to God for you and our actions–not others.

My only point in the OP was to say that a lot of people here (and other places) seem to be posting why SSPX/FSSP/NO/TLM is bad/good/right/wrong/hero/heretical and IT"S GETTING OLD. It isn’t helpful and it doesn’t attract or teach anybody anything–they argue from a very dogmatic stance and very infrequently post references to actual documents of the Church or Church history. If they DO post the reference, it’s can be very open to interpretation as to what is actually being said or meant–meanung it’s up for interpretation by either group.

Want to attract people to the Latin Mass? Quit yer complaiing and act like maybe other people might want to know about this rather than say “It’s better” or “more reverent”. It might really be but how about helping by EDUCATING those of us who might not ever been exposed. Like grandma says–you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Oh–and those of you who are harboring a grudge from 1960 because TLM was not continued. It’s not our fault. WE did not do that and by your attitude/actions you are dirivng the very people you hope to attract away.whew…
 
Yes, that is an idea many people with agendas have, blame the revert for brainwashing against him, and a lack of caring among many Catholics… I was so sad, when I read my diary, and a sitting duck- to those who appose the Holy Communion, as for sspx, you are something I shall not say if you think schism is unvital. I took responsibility for my sins, for my mortal sins, I did it in confession. As for trying to destroy zeal, that itself is sinful. SSPX not a vital subject, the sedivaticanists who the church condemns? it is very vital, what you say shows an utter lack of care or knowledge, which sin either for foolishness, or apathy, but I do not give you my excuse, which It still could be- lack of knowledge, if you are Catholic, you are accountable, and now know that the church considers apposing Godliness or logical scholarship and submittal to Devine truth as wrong. I do not hold up pretence not to be responsible for my part in my (when compare with others) relatively unnoticeable sin, which is conquered, but that it took five minutes in confession is damnation to those who lied that it was otherwise, and utter damnation to those who decided to befriend the world, if we are to believe the teachings on scandal. Be careful of how you influence me or others, least you fall under the curse of Anathema, under which all the church’s knowing, true enemies (it is the damnation of the councils that I warn you of) are said to lie, but if you do fall into this, then go to confession, but end this idea of stopping debate- debate it is life. P.s. My prevention from the truth was purposeful, but those who did not intervene are just as responsible in His eyes, and will be brought to answer (Hebrews 9 verse 27). As for you, where will you be then? Will you be like me, who often attends confession, or like those who refuse grace, and commit what Augustine considers the only unforgivable sin?
 
Actually,

The main problem is conservative/liberal Catholics who are not traditional in their thinking or knowledge, coming onto the TRADITIONAL forum in order to tell us how “wrong” we are.

It’s no different than the out and out liberals telling everyone how “mean” they are for denouncing homosexuality or abortion or any other thing worthy of denunciation.

Conservatives and liberals are completely intolerant of the Militant aspect of the Church Militant. Traditional Catholics are soldiers for Christ. That is the difference between pre-post Vatican II attitudes.
 
We all need to follow our Pope’s example as he teaches us, not only the truth, but the method by which we are to teach.

He is unfailingly kind yet gently firm. He does not label, denegrate, or use abusive language.

He is the best example we have.

I have noticed that we can all learn from him. At this point in time, no side has the monopoly on good teaching skills nor does any side have the monopoly on rudeness.
 
I agree with the true meaning of Christian Charity and that it’s often needed in teaching those of us who are learning what we were never taught. IT ISN’T THAT WE DON’T WANT TO KNOW. It’s that we don’t know who or what is correct. :banghead: Stop telling me I’m wrong and tell me why. It very much depends on who does your training, so you want to be sure it’s accurate and really in keeping with the traditional teachings of the Church, It’s almost like being without a country. You spent a year or better in RCIA and now you are hearing that there might be something a bit different-something you weren’t told…-who would you believe or trust? You would be careful and start asking for sources. It a lot like being in the middle of a family fight but YOU are an In-law.

It’ s just that this forum could be so much help to those of us who want to know more and are doing it on their own ( for the most part). But NoOOOO–we’d rather give each other the “verbal version of the finger” instead of "helping each other get the log out of our eye"by teaching those of us who ARE attracted to this form
 
I think the problem is that you apply political epithets to the faith. Conservative and liberal. That’s not what we are. We are Catholics. We are Christian, that should be enough. I know it’s enough for most of us. So please stop the bickering.
 
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Actually,

The main problem is conservative/liberal Catholics who are not traditional in their thinking or knowledge, coming onto the TRADITIONAL forum in order to tell us how “wrong” we are.

It’s no different than the out and out liberals telling everyone how “mean” they are for denouncing homosexuality or abortion or any other thing worthy of denunciation.

Conservatives and liberals are completely intolerant of the Militant aspect of the Church Militant. Traditional Catholics are soldiers for Christ. That is the difference between pre-post Vatican II attitudes.
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You say you are a Traditional Catholic and the main problem is conservative/liberal Catholics. Would you please define these three terms so I know where I fall. I gather ‘liberals’ are those who aren’t faithful to church teaching on homosexual actions, abortion, or women priests? What is the difference between the other two? To me, if the pope/church teaches it, I accept it. I liked the old mass and I like the new mass. I dress casual for mass but decent. I believe and profess all that the Catholic church teaches.

To me, the church militant is the church on earth still engaged in our fight against sin. The church triumphant is in heaven and the church suffering is in purgatory. What is the militant aspect of the church militant?
 
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