Must WORK to lose salvation

[Seamus_Sully]

In the Lutheran, Orthodox and Catholic Churches, one must work to lose one’s salvation.

At the time of Baptism, one is saved.

God’s pours His love into our new hearts, and we are saved.

The babies are saved.

They have God’s love poured into their new hearts. God’s love gives them kindness, patience, chastity, sobriety and all of the other characteristics of His love. It is His love in human nature.

As the parable of the farmer that watches the crops grow, we do not know how we grow, but we do grow.

As in the Garden of Eden, evil is introduced from the Devil, the individual and the world. This is true after Baptism. We have to work at introducing our children to alcohol, lust and greed.

I am aware that there are 10,000 other realities that need to be taken into account, but at infant Baptism one is saved. We introduce the pride, anger, greed, gluttony, envy, lust and spiritual laziness.

I know that the idea needs much more clarification, but the idea, I believe, is correct.

 

[Nita]

I am aware that there are 10,000 other realities that need to be taken into account, but at infant Baptism one is saved. We introduce the pride, anger, greed, gluttony, envy, lust and spiritual laziness.

I know that the idea needs much more clarification, but the idea, I believe, is correct.

Actually, the tendency to those sins (pride, anger, etc.) is present in us both before and after baptism. It’s called concupisence. It is not “sin”; more like a temptation to sin. We’re all born with it. So we don’t introduce the tendency, but when we choose to follow the tendency we commit sin.

Nita

 

[Seamus_Sully]

I agree with the Church’s teaching on fallen human nature. I did say it poorly. THANKS!

But one is saved at Baptism.

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

In the Lutheran, Orthodox and Catholic Churches, one must work to lose one’s salvation.

We introduce the pride, anger, greed, gluttony, envy, lust and spiritual laziness.

Normally the last one is called sloth. The man who doesn’t do something he is morally obliged to do because he can’t be bothered is sinning, sometimes although rarely seriously.

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

I have to disagree with this, sorry… But I would say that most of the time when it looks like I’m doomed to hell and have committed a sin I didn’t actually WORK for it.

I would take comfort in knowing that I could only lose my salvation if I worked to do so, because I don’t, but I just don’t think it’s true in the Catholic Church.