Muto Propio and Franciscan University of Stuebenville

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Hi Everyone,

I am very intrigued to know what effect that the Muto Propio has had had on FUS? As everyone knows FUS has a very Charismatic spirituality despite a sizeable number of more traditional Catholics who attend. I was wondering though with the Muto Propio, if the university has become more Traditional. I am sure lots of traditional students have asked for the Tridentine Mass?

Can anyone give me an update?

Are FUS complying?
 
From what I understand, they would not comply, and so a local Church is offering the TLM- from what I have heard, this is causing a steady decline in the number of attendees at the campus chapel.

The university priests claimed the Motu Propio doesn’t apply to them
 
JuanCarlos said:
From what I understand, they would not comply, and so a local Church is offering the TLM- from what I have heard, this is causing a steady decline in the number of attendees at the campus chapel.

The university priests claimed the Motu Propio doesn’t apply to them
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Steubenville is pretty much charismatic isn’t it? At least I seem to remember someone from there pointing that out with great pride. If they are in fact mainly charismatic there is no way they would accept the solemn dignity of the Traditional Mass. It flies right in the face of their preferred brand of worship.
 
JuanCarlos said:
From what I understand, they would not comply, and so a local Church is offering the TLM- from what I have heard, this is causing a steady decline in the number of attendees at the campus chapel.

The university priests claimed the Motu Propio doesn’t apply to them
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I am shocked if this is true, I really thought FUS prided itself on orthodoxy and obedience to the Church??
Shouldnt FUS be taken to task on this?
 
palmas85 said:
Steubenville is pretty much charismatic isn’t it? At least I seem to remember someone from there pointing that out with great pride. If they are in fact mainly charismatic there is no way they would accept the solemn dignity of the Traditional Mass. It flies right in the face of their preferred brand of worship.
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I see your point Charismatic Renewal, I just thought that Francisan University of Stuebenville were about being obedient to the Church, perhaps if they are obedient only when it suits them if what the other person on the thread has said is true.
 
As far as I know, no one is required to have TLM, but if it is requested by the faithful, the Bishop is under obligation to provide access to it. If it is being offered in the area, it would be up to the individual to decide which Mass and where to attend.

Even before the Motu Proprio was issued TLM was available in some areas if permission was obtained from the Bishop.

I’m not quite sure why people are particularly interested in FUS unless you are an alum, or have children who go there, or want to go there, or if you want to receive communion on campus.

I hope that TLM is available in your area if that is your preference. If not, you should contact your local Bishop.

Blessings in Christ,

Ancilla
 
MY 2 cents worth of information that might be wrong.😃

But I was told that the TLM is being done in a church just off campus because the campus chapel is not set up to do so. If this is the case then so be it.

St. Vincent’s has the TLM in the crypt. To be honest the Basilica is beautiful but not set up with a high alter any longer. My husband says it is re-muddled not re-modeled.
 
From what I know the reason they are offering it at St. Peters is that it still has many of the trappings from Pre-Vatican II. It holds way more people,has the communion rails and so on. I don’t know how many people have actually been to Franciscan but the chapel is tiny (holds less than 150 people) and I would hate to see the TLM in the gym.

They are also offering several buses so that the students can attend the TLM mass at St. Peter’s. If Friars didn’t want to subscribe to the Propio at all, they would hardly offer buses to help students attend the services.
 
So the Mass at FUS is Charismatic. Big deal. Is the Charismatic movement the same we see in the pentecostal sects? Hardly. Rather, the Charismatic movement actually follows what St. Paul writes. Also, the Mass on campus has 0% liturgical abuses. These Masses draw a huge amount of the student body, so much that there are many Masses offered throughout the day (yes I know the small size of the chapel). If the Holy Spirit didn’t want the Charismatic Mass done, why are so many going? Why don’t see the same effect we see across the nation, a drop in Mass attendence?
 
The earlier word was that a few staff members in charge of the liturgy on campus were resisting the implementation of the Motu Proprio; I can’t comment on the validity of those accusations, or on the motivation of those people if the accusations are true.

I visited my brother in Steubenville this weekend; he confirmed (as maria29 said) that the current plan is to offer the TLM through a local Catholic parish which is equipped for it (with communion rails and such). The university will provide free transportation and help organize the Mass.

God bless.
 
KathleenElsie said:
MY 2 cents worth of information that might be wrong.😃

But I was told that the TLM is being done in a church just off campus because the campus chapel is not set up to do so. If this is the case then so be it.

St. Vincent’s has the TLM in the crypt. To be honest the Basilica is beautiful but not set up with a high alter any longer. My husband says it is re-muddled not re-modeled.
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Not only is the university chapel not set up for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass but it is being done at the parish church which the university is part of.
 
Transformer said:
The earlier word was that a few staff members in charge of the liturgy on campus were resisting the implementation of the Motu Proprio; I can’t comment on the validity of those accusations, or on the motivation of those people if the accusations are true.

I visited my brother in Steubenville this weekend; he confirmed (as maria29 said) that the current plan is to offer the TLM through a local Catholic parish which is equipped for it (with communion rails and such). The university will provide free transportation and help organize the Mass.

God bless.
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Doesn’t matter if they “resisted” or not. The MP lays out how this is to be handled. The request goes to the priest and then to the bishop. The staff at the university has no say.

It is the bishop who has jurisdiction over the public worship in his diocese.

Seems that when the staff “resisited” the students petitioned the superior of the TOR (the religious order involved) when the superior has no jurisdiction and the MP says nothing about religious orders either.
 
ByzCath said:
Not only is the university chapel not set up for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass but it is being done at the parish church which the university is part of.
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What exactly do you mean set up? It San Diego we have the Traditional Mass in the Chapel of a mauseleum. No altar rails, normally not enough seats and the seats that are there are folding chairs by and large stretching into the areas of the crypts themselves. I actually feel that is a nice touch, although a bit jarring at first.

If we can have the Traditional Mass successfully there I’m sure that Steubenbille could do so as well. The plain truth is the directors and the Priests there just don’t want it. There is really no good to come from making excuses for them as lame as the Chapel isn’t set up for it,
 
palmas85 said:
If we can have the Traditional Mass successfully there I’m sure that Steubenbille could do so as well. The plain truth is the directors and the Priests there just don’t want it. There is really no good to come from making excuses for them as lame as the Chapel isn’t set up for it,
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Well, there is nothing saying that they have to have it. It is offered in the parish Church which the university is part of.

Has anyone thought that maybe none of the priests at the university are knowledgeable enough in the EF to celebrate it correctly?

No priest is obligated to celebrate the EF and no organization is obligated to pay to bring in a priest who can and will celebrate the EF. As well as the fact that no one has a right to the Mass in its Extraordinary form even with the MP.

It falls to the local bishop to accommodate those who want the EF and it has been done.

I think all this fuss over the university is just sour grapes. It has been taken care of and those involved seem to be satisfied with the out come.
 
ByzCath said:
Well, there is nothing saying that they have to have it. It is offered in the parish Church which the university is part of.

Has anyone thought that maybe none of the priests at the university are knowledgeable enough in the EF to celebrate it correctly?

No priest is obligated to celebrate the EF and no organization is obligated to pay to bring in a priest who can and will celebrate the EF. As well as the fact that no one has a right to the Mass in its Extraordinary form even with the MP.

It falls to the local bishop to accommodate those who want the EF and it has been done.

I think all this fuss over the university is just sour grapes. It has been taken care of and those involved seem to be satisfied with the out come.
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Actually my point had to do more with the assertion that the university chapel wasn’t set up to handle the rigors, I guess of the Traditional Mass. then the fact that the Diocese may have the Traditional Mass somewhere else.
 
This subject has already been debated at length in the Catholic internet community, and I think that perhaps we all ought to know the full story before we start making judgements.

I know that Father Z.'s blog deals with issue quite extensively, and provides (name removed by moderator)ut from people who actually are at FUS.

All told, it seems that (from everything I’ve read) administration is somewhat progressive at FUS, while students and chaplains (especially students) are far more traditional.
 
Pious_Mat said:
This subject has already been debated at length in the Catholic internet community, and I think that perhaps we all ought to know the full story before we start making judgements.

I know that Father Z.'s blog deals with issue quite extensively, and provides (name removed by moderator)ut from people who actually are at FUS.

All told, it seems that (from everything I’ve read) administration is somewhat progressive at FUS, while students and chaplains (especially students) are far more traditional.
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Hi Matt,

Have you got a link for Father Z.'s blog?
 
sorry Mat, I meant to ask to ask for the specific link for the FUS issue on Fr.Z’s blog page, I would be interested to see what actual FUS students have to say.

Thanks.
 
dbacks5439 said:
So the Mass at FUS is Charismatic. Big deal. Is the Charismatic movement the same we see in the pentecostal sects? Hardly. Rather, the Charismatic movement actually follows what St. Paul writes. Also, the Mass on campus has 0% liturgical abuses. These Masses draw a huge amount of the student body, so much that there are many Masses offered throughout the day (yes I know the small size of the chapel). If the Holy Spirit didn’t want the Charismatic Mass done, why are so many going? Why don’t see the same effect we see across the nation, a drop in Mass attendence?
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Well, I would expect that every single student at Steubenville would go to Mass regardless (otherwise they would not be going to Steubenville). And the gym accommodates far more students than the chapel from what I understand.

As far as 0% abuses, I don’t know. I have seen video of liturgical dancers at one of their Masses. Whether technically that is an abuse I’m not sure.
 
ByzCath said:
Well, there is nothing saying that they have to have it. It is offered in the parish Church which the university is part of.

Has anyone thought that maybe none of the priests at the university are knowledgeable enough in the EF to celebrate it correctly?

No priest is obligated to celebrate the EF and no organization is obligated to pay to bring in a priest who can and will celebrate the EF. As well as the fact that no one has a right to the Mass in its Extraordinary form even with the MP.

It falls to the local bishop to accommodate those who want the EF and it has been done.

I think all this fuss over the university is just sour grapes. It has been taken care of and those involved seem to be satisfied with the out come.
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From Summorum Pontificum:
Code: 
	Art. 7. If a group of lay faithful, as mentioned in art. 5 õ 1, has not  		obtained satisfaction to their requests from the pastor, they should  		inform the diocesan bishop. The bishop is strongly requested to satisfy  		their wishes. If he cannot arrange for such celebration to take place,  		the matter should be referred to the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia  		Dei".
ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b16SummorumPontificum.htm

Well, perhaps in your book this is not a “right”, but I think it’s obvious that the Holy Father wants the requests of lay faithful who ask for this Mass to be satisfied.
 
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