mutual accomodation

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A good friend contacted me recently …
Her Husband is a medical doctor working in a practice with 2 others doctors. He is of a different faith (therefore has different holidays) than the others. For whatever reason, the other two refuse to accomodate his holidays (taking the days off) but expect him to cover for their holidays. They are hurt and angry…

First, I’m interested in (name removed by moderator)ut from others who have overcome this type of obstacle… specifically how they proceeded.

Second, I’d love (name removed by moderator)ut from others in how they dialogue with individuals of different faiths over these types of issues.

Somehow or other, it would be great if we could find a way to prevent the kind of nonsense my friend and her husband have experienced.
 
Catherine_k said:
A good friend contacted me recently …
Her Husband is a medical doctor working in a practice with 2 others doctors. He is of a different faith (therefore has different holidays) than the others. For whatever reason, the other two refuse to accomodate his holidays (taking the days off) but expect him to cover for their holidays. They are hurt and angry…

First, I’m interested in (name removed by moderator)ut from others who have overcome this type of obstacle… specifically how they proceeded.

Second, I’d love (name removed by moderator)ut from others in how they dialogue with individuals of different faiths over these types of issues.

Somehow or other, it would be great if we could find a way to prevent the kind of nonsense my friend and her husband have experienced.
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If he is an equal partner in this practice? I am unsure why he just doesnt refuse to cover holidays for them when they wont return the favor and just take the days off that he wished. This seems less like a religion issue and more like a dealing with selfish people issue
 
Catherine_k said:
A good friend contacted me recently …
Her Husband is a medical doctor working in a practice with 2 others doctors. He is of a different faith (therefore has different holidays) than the others. For whatever reason, the other two refuse to accomodate his holidays (taking the days off) but expect him to cover for their holidays. They are hurt and angry…

First, I’m interested in (name removed by moderator)ut from others who have overcome this type of obstacle… specifically how they proceeded.

Second, I’d love (name removed by moderator)ut from others in how they dialogue with individuals of different faiths over these types of issues.

Somehow or other, it would be great if we could find a way to prevent the kind of nonsense my friend and her husband have experienced.
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They are hurt and angry because?
 
ignatius777 said:
Not to speak for Catherine of her friends but I suspect because they arent given the same consideration they are expected to give. Just guessing
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Read it again. Catherine states that the “other two” refuse to accomodate his holidays.

So, I persist in asking.

They are hurt and angry because?
 
StrawberryJam said:
Read it again. Catherine states that the “other two” refuse to accomodate his holidays.

So, I persist in asking.

They are hurt and angry because?
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Well it seems stupid for the “otgher two” to be hurt and angry and quite frankly who cares if they are? Its up to her friend to expect equal treatment. So I persist in saying who cares?
 
ignatius777 said:
Well it seems stupid for the “otgher two” to be hurt and angry and quite frankly who cares if they are? Its up to her friend to expect equal treatment. So I persist in saying who cares?
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As a human race, who share this planet together I am not sure why you don’t care about the two of the three treating the one of the three in this manner.

Maybe if you were the one of the three it would be different?

If you were the one of the three, you would have me in your corner.

Who do these two bullies have in theirs?
 
I go to a Family Practice where one of the partners is a Catholic and the other a Protestant. These two decided that their practice would be a Christian practice and that they would work towards honoring Christ no matter their differences.

It works very well. My doctor is a Catholic and he does not prescribe ABC, the other doctor does. But again, they work together to make sure the needs of their patients come first. They also collaborate on who has the better skills for different diagnoses.

I honestly think that people in a business relationship (especially when faith is an issue) need to discuss things way before they incorporate.

How sad that professional people can’t accomodate each other. It’s not as if they are fighting a huge hospital bureacracy.

I will pray for this situation.
 
ForeverGrace said:
I go to a Family Practice where one of the partners is a Catholic and the other a Protestant. These two decided that their practice would be a Christian practice and that they would work towards honoring Christ no matter their differences.

It works very well. My doctor is a Catholic and he does not prescribe ABC, the other doctor does. But again, they work together to make sure the needs of their patients come first. They also collaborate on who has the better skills for different diagnoses.

I honestly think that people in a business relationship (especially when faith is an issue) need to discuss things way before they incorporate.

How sad that professional people can’t accomodate each other. It’s not as if they are fighting a huge hospital bureacracy.

I will pray for this situation.
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Matters involving a business relationship must be defined.

This is why I can not understand how this happened.

But, as with many things this can be solved in the court. And should be, as it may be affecting patient care.
 
I think this would be a good time for him to sit down and say my family needs me during certain holidays - your family has you during yours - what can we do? What can I do to alleviate some of the tension here? It may not be fair but it may be effective 😉
 
StrawberryJam said:
As a human race, who share this planet together I am not sure why you don’t care about the two of the three treating the one of the three in this manner.

Maybe if you were the one of the three it would be different?

If you were the one of the three, you would have me in your corner.

Who do these two bullies have in theirs?
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What makes you think I dont care??? What I said was I would take my religious holidays and leave it for them to figure out if they were not willing to accomodate my beliefs. I feel no compunction to giveto others what they refuse to give to me. If you think that means I dont care then I dont care. But if it means I wont allow my beliefs to be trampled then yes I care very deeply.
 
ForeverGrace said:
I go to a Family Practice where one of the partners is a Catholic and the other a Protestant. These two decided that their practice would be a Christian practice and that they would work towards honoring Christ no matter their differences.

It works very well. My doctor is a Catholic and he does not prescribe ABC, the other doctor does. But again, they work together to make sure the needs of their patients come first. They also collaborate on who has the better skills for different diagnoses.

I honestly think that people in a business relationship (especially when faith is an issue) need to discuss things way before they incorporate.

How sad that professional people can’t accomodate each other. It’s not as if they are fighting a huge hospital bureacracy.

I will pray for this situation.
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I agree that this should have bee ndecided long before they got started but here they are. This all stems from selfishness and a lack of adhrence to christian values.
 
My friend is Catholic and the other two md’s are not Christian. My friends are angry and hurt…

From what I understand, call schedules and coverage schedules (especially concerni g hospital coverage where other practices are involved) need to be negotiated on a regular basis. The catholic md has been with the practice for several years and the level of respect for his religious and family needs has declined over past six months…

How often does this happen? How does one start the conversation to stop this kind of stuff ?
 
Catherine_k said:
How often does this happen? How does one start the conversation to stop this kind of stuff ?
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One puts human resource policies into place and one updates one’s contract. Alternately, one starts looking for a different set of partners and takes lessons learned into any new partnership by establishing HR and other policies right up front.
 
Catherine_k said:
My friend is Catholic and the other two md’s are not Christian. My friends are angry and hurt…

From what I understand, call schedules and coverage schedules (especially concerni g hospital coverage where other practices are involved) need to be negotiated on a regular basis. The catholic md has been with the practice for several years and the level of respect for his religious and family needs has declined over past six months…

How often does this happen? How does one start the conversation to stop this kind of stuff ?
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So your friends are the catholic MD and his wife? Is that correct?
 
Catherine_k said:
My friend is Catholic and the other two md’s are not Christian. My friends are angry and hurt…

From what I understand, call schedules and coverage schedules (especially concerni g hospital coverage where other practices are involved) need to be negotiated on a regular basis. The catholic md has been with the practice for several years and the level of respect for his religious and family needs has declined over past six months…

How often does this happen? How does one start the conversation to stop this kind of stuff ?
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The more I think about it its a condition of ones job to fufill the obligations associated with their jobs regardless of your religion. In other words if a catholic works at a widget factory very few things will interfere with his meeting his religious obligations but being a doctor has a whole other set of expectations and obligations
 
I am friends with the Catholics…

The ethical issues of Medicine (where physical health is involved) are many… and In general, I agree that a MD has an obligation to fulfill regardless. One of the advantages of joining a practice where people are of different faiths is that not everyone wants or needs the same religious holidays off (everyone is welcome to dispute July 4th or Thanksgiving and I’d hope people are reasonable enough to establish a rotation whereby some equitable solution is implemented). Again, when its not just the practice’s patients but also the expectations of the hospital’s coverage, call schedules routinely are assigned on a periodic basis.

I remember in my profession covering for others of different faiths when they needed holidays off… it was an automatic reflective action … and it made me more comfortable asking for their assitance when I needed coverage. no one ever hesitated when I asked for their assistance for coverage. However, that was not in the medical world, and it was a large corporation with established HR policies (and an HR department).

What I find disturbing about THIS situation is the sudden unwillingness to accomodate a REASONABLE expectation (established earlier) that my friend’s husband (the Catholic) would have off on Easter Weekend (Good Friday through Sunday). He is the only Christian MD in that practice.

I expect that this will be an unreconcillable difference and the Catholic will leave the practice.

How (in this so called pluralistic society) have we created a culture that does not respect an individual’s desire to celebrate Easter? In this case, why was it OK to state “Hey, we know you’re not scheduled for Easter weekend call but we want that weekend off so…”
 
Catherine_k said:
I am friends with the Catholics…

The ethical issues of Medicine (where physical health is involved) are many… and In general, I agree that a MD has an obligation to fulfill regardless. One of the advantages of joining a practice where people are of different faiths is that not everyone wants or needs the same religious holidays off (everyone is welcome to dispute July 4th or Thanksgiving and I’d hope people are reasonable enough to establish a rotation whereby some equitable solution is implemented). Again, when its not just the practice’s patients but also the expectations of the hospital’s coverage, call schedules routinely are assigned on a periodic basis.

I remember in my profession covering for others of different faiths when they needed holidays off… it was an automatic reflective action … and it made me more comfortable asking for their assitance when I needed coverage. no one ever hesitated when I asked for their assistance for coverage. However, that was not in the medical world, and it was a large corporation with established HR policies (and an HR department).

What I find disturbing about THIS situation is the sudden unwillingness to accomodate a REASONABLE expectation (established earlier) that my friend’s husband (the Catholic) would have off on Easter Weekend (Good Friday through Sunday). He is the only Christian MD in that practice.

I expect that this will be an unreconcillable difference and the Catholic will leave the practice.

How (in this so called pluralistic society) have we created a culture that does not respect an individual’s desire to celebrate Easter? In this case, why was it OK to state “Hey, we know you’re not scheduled for Easter weekend call but we want that weekend off so…”
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With all due respect this seems like a lot of emotion about a non-issue. People change their minds, maybe they no longer want to accomodate your friend. Maybe they have grown resentful of his having days off and their having to work. Easter may be nothing more to the others then a day to eat ham, who knows. Either way he should move just on.
 
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