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Hi everyone!
This afternoon I asked my brother if he thought or not that Christ alone is sufficient for our salvation, the conversation ended he saying that Sola Fides is right because if one person really believes (he identifies faith and belief) that Christ (Christ alone) saved him, and that He doesn’t love the sin, so he will act well, he will act according to the Holy Spirit.
Well, though he holds the Sola Fides, he doesn’t talk about works taking a way different of that one would think the faith marks out. His model is not one of those disordered guys that one think protestant Sola Fides has inspired.
I asked him, what is wrong with the Catholic formula that says that Salvation is by Faith and Works, he says that one passage of Paul says “Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.” (Eph 2, 8-9). In the spanish versions at the 9th verse it says “no por obras, para que nadie se gloríe” which should mean “no by works, so anyone can glory”. I said him well there Paul could be talking about the works how they where understood by the naturalistic, pre-Christian world, but he says that, for him the 9th verse refers also to the works in the Catholic formule "by Faith and Works).
Well I think now- Works in “by Faith and Works” refers to Works done outside the realm of Faith? or it refers to Works informed by the Grace?
or I think, it refers to the Works made because of Faith (like the Works of Charity) So the Works of Charity- that is founded on Faith, are the only Works that have supernatural value? (though the other works have natural value, and are importants too)
My brother, he qualifies himself as Christian, though sundays he goes to a baptist church, that him, my mother and me have gone to since my father left my home (then, he was 14, I was 18. Now he is 18 and I am 22) I have come back to the Catholic Church since two and a half years ago, and I hold the catholic doctrine.
What is wrong and what is right in my brother’s soteriology?
I see Him as a young with good wills, he pays a strong attention to my catholic teaching to Him
Thank you all!
God bless you!
and know that I am here for you
This afternoon I asked my brother if he thought or not that Christ alone is sufficient for our salvation, the conversation ended he saying that Sola Fides is right because if one person really believes (he identifies faith and belief) that Christ (Christ alone) saved him, and that He doesn’t love the sin, so he will act well, he will act according to the Holy Spirit.
Well, though he holds the Sola Fides, he doesn’t talk about works taking a way different of that one would think the faith marks out. His model is not one of those disordered guys that one think protestant Sola Fides has inspired.
I asked him, what is wrong with the Catholic formula that says that Salvation is by Faith and Works, he says that one passage of Paul says “Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.” (Eph 2, 8-9). In the spanish versions at the 9th verse it says “no por obras, para que nadie se gloríe” which should mean “no by works, so anyone can glory”. I said him well there Paul could be talking about the works how they where understood by the naturalistic, pre-Christian world, but he says that, for him the 9th verse refers also to the works in the Catholic formule "by Faith and Works).
Well I think now- Works in “by Faith and Works” refers to Works done outside the realm of Faith? or it refers to Works informed by the Grace?
or I think, it refers to the Works made because of Faith (like the Works of Charity) So the Works of Charity- that is founded on Faith, are the only Works that have supernatural value? (though the other works have natural value, and are importants too)
My brother, he qualifies himself as Christian, though sundays he goes to a baptist church, that him, my mother and me have gone to since my father left my home (then, he was 14, I was 18. Now he is 18 and I am 22) I have come back to the Catholic Church since two and a half years ago, and I hold the catholic doctrine.
What is wrong and what is right in my brother’s soteriology?
I see Him as a young with good wills, he pays a strong attention to my catholic teaching to Him
Thank you all!
God bless you!
and know that I am here for you