My call to a Protestant Radio Station

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I called a protestant pastor today on his show people to people. We discussed or at least I tried to talk about the doctrine of Salvation . kbrt740.com/Listen-Live/3631690 go to todays show, I come on about 1145 in on the broadcast, let me know what you think
 
The radio pastor did a poor job of explaining salvation. He also forgot that Jesus healed people, physically (miracles) and spiritually (exorcism and forgiveness).
 
It’s funny, I am having a similar conversation with my cousin you cited that passage in Hebrews 10.

Here was my response:

Heb 10:14-18
…(a 18. Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

The last thing I want this to spiral into is a back and forth Chapter/Verse, tennis match. We also agreed to proceed with this discussion in love, without judgment. That being said lets agree going forward to limit our discussion topics to one at a time and to stay with that topic until it logically leads us to the next or we agree to move on. I have found that topic jumping only creates more confusion and consternation.

First off, you need to understand that I don’t believe that Christ ever intended us to rely on the Bible alone. Christ himself established a Church and that Church gave us the inspired complete canon of Scripture. I know I’ve said that before, just reiterating.

To address your interpretation of Hebrews 10:14-18, I agree with you. There is no more blood sacrifice necessary. These verses tell us that the levitical priesthood’s daily sacrifices were ineffectual in remitting sin. Jewish tradition (to this day, ironically) teaches that the Temple sacrifices will stop when the Messiah comes. Oddly there haven’t been Temple sacrifices since the year 70 when the Romans destroyed the temple. The sacrifice of the Mass is an un-bloody representation in time of Christ’s once-for-all eternal sacrifice on the Cross and we do this at his own command, Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:23-25. (I know you didn’t say that it was bloody, but that is an argument I have heard, thus just making the point).

Regarding works, I assure you that the Church does not teach “works righteousness”, as is often claimed. We believe that we are saved by a free gift of God’s grace, Rom 3:24, Eph 2:8, Titus 3:7, received through faith, Rom 1:17, Rom 5:1, Gal 3:11, that is active in good works, Jam 2:24, Jam 2:17, 1 Jn 3:10. St. Paul begins and ends Romans (Rom 1:5, Rom 16:26) by insisting on the “obedience of faith”. He tells us in Phil 2:12 to “work our your salvation with fear and trembling” but also assuring us in verse 13 that it is God working in us for his good purpose (therefore these works are not works of our own creation). Gal 5:6 tells us that neither circumcision (a reference to the Jew of the old covenant and the observance of the Mosaic Law) nor uncircumcision (the Gentiles, people outside the old covenant) counts for anything, but only faith working through love. We are told in many places (Rom 2:6, Matt 16:27, 2 Cor 5:10, 1 Peter 1:17, Rev 20:12) that we will be judged according to our works.

I agree with you that good works are a sign of your (my wording now) being in communion with Christ. But the Bible says in too many places to ignore that they are required if you hope to be saved. Your faith must work in Christ’s love, i.e. you must bear fruit.

I think we are also in agreement (correct me if I am wrong) on the point that you can loose your salvation and that salvation is a process and not a one time event. If I am incorrect, we can pick this up on the next round. Moving on…we must continue, as Rom 11:22 says, in his kindness, otherwise we too will be cut off, clearly making the point that someone who is saved can fall away.
 
The guy was being really rude. He isnulted the Eucharist and barely let you talk.
 
Also, he claimed that in the Jewish world it was “impossible” to loose one’s inheritance… But what about Esau?
 
Thats a great point about esua I wish I had remembered that one. But as you can see as well he barely let me get a word in. When I did talk I had to almost talk over him.
 
I called a protestant pastor today on his show people to people…
I used to listen to him fairly often when I was a Protestant, and found him to have quite a number of goofy ideas. He’s out on his own trail.

Don’t bother calling him up, I’ve never known him to be willing to engage in a real exchange of ideas. If you hint at making a good argument against his ideas he just talks over you and cuts the line.
 
Thats a great point about esua I wish I had remembered that one. But as you can see as well he barely let me get a word in. When I did talk I had to almost talk over him.
I knoww, i was getting mad… hahah

But he couldn’t let himself sound dumb in front of his audience. Especially since he would be losing a Scripture-based debate against a “Mary worshiping, wafer eating” Catholic :rolleyes:
 
I called a protestant pastor today on his show people to people. We discussed or at least I tried to talk about the doctrine of Salvation . kbrt740.com/Listen-Live/3631690 go to todays show, I come on about 1145 in on the broadcast, let me know what you think
I listened to your segment. I just love it when someone takes the place of God and tells me that I am not saved. While I know this was not your intention, it sounded to me as though you really had him rattled.
 
Well, it was interesting to listen to US radio but missed the time.
 
I used to listen to him fairly often when I was a Protestant, and found him to have quite a number of goofy ideas. He’s out on his own trail.

Don’t bother calling him up, I’ve never known him to be willing to engage in a real exchange of ideas. If you hint at making a good argument against his ideas he just talks over you and cuts the line.
I’ve listened to this show too, and that’s what I heard. He really isn’t interested in dialogue, as much as he is interested in evangelizing his own version of the Gospel.

Peace,
Robert
 
I called a protestant pastor today on his show people to people. We discussed or at least I tried to talk about the doctrine of Salvation . kbrt740.com/Listen-Live/3631690 go to todays show, I come on about 1145 in on the broadcast, let me know what you think
A very one-sided conversation. I thought it was interesting that he kept telling you that you were making it about Catholic v. Protestant, but it was his comments that kept distinguishing between Catholic practices and what he believed. He seemed quite convinced that Paul said once saved always saved when it is quite clear that the scriptures, taken as a whole, rebut such a notion.

Congratulations for having the courage to call this show and discuss an important issue that divides us, and doing it with charity from the outset.

Peace,
Robert
 
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