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So, in effect, you distrust History and trust Physics and Mathematics? Yet, are you sure that this reasoning will leave “Category 1” and “Category 2” intact…?Very good suggestion. The problem is the good old “epistemology”. How do we gain knowledge about the different aspects of “reality”? How do we decide if a certain claim is “true” or not. It is obvious that different types of claims need to substantiated in a different manner.
There are several basic aspects to be considered.
Category 1) is simple (in principle, though not necessarily in practice). If a claim can be verified, and the verification process is successful, then the evidence is sufficient.
- Claims about the physical reality.
- Claims of abstract sciences.
- Claims of historical nature (claims about past events).
- Claims which fall “beyond” the observable universe. (These could be claims of paranormal nature, or claims pertaining the to religions, or maybe “new-age” type of claims).
Category 2) is also simple. Take the axioms, the rules of inference and see if you can “reach” the suggested the claim. If the answer is yes, you have proved the claim (not just substantiated).
Category 3) is not so simple. If that claim pertains to an event which left “marks” on reality (for example a volcano erupted) then no problem. If it did not leave any observable clues then one needs to rely on testimony, if there is one. The evaluation of testimonies is problematic. The more testimonies remain, from different, opposing sides, and the more those testimonies corroborate each other, the more reliable the testimony MIGHT be. Also one needs to evaluate the authors of those testimonies. How reliable are they, based upon other writings. But let’s face it: one piece of physical evidence will beat one million testimonies.
Category 4) is a huge mess. There has never been (to my knowledge) an epistemological method offered to decide the veracity of the claims in this category. The problem has been brought up many times, and no one was able to offer an objective, repeatable epistemological method. Generally the proponents go back to “Category 3)”. Of course, it is already problematic, but in a compounded fashion. After all the proponents assert that their “claims” pertain to the present, not just to the past. So to refer to ancient texts, of unknown authors, and the like make their claims highly dubious and thus: unacceptable. Or they offer the word of some so-called “authority”. Never mind that the “authority” cannot substantiate those claims either. All they can do is use the “age-honored” brow-beating of a lousy parent: “Because I said so!!!”. No wonder they do not earn any respect, outside their own circle.
Of course in these boards, the categories 1), 2) and 3) are of little importance. It would be nice to see some headway to be made in category 4), but since no one could offer a proper epistemological method (despite the high quality of the thinkers who already tried) it is very unlikely that the present collection of the people (who are simple laymen) will make a useful suggestion.
For example, among other things, the General Theory of Relativity is supported by some observations (concerning light deflection) made during a Solar eclipse. Now, General Theory of Relativity makes claims about present, and one cannot make such an observation without an actual eclipse. In other times all we have is witness testimony… Unless you count pictures - though, in principle, they are easy to modify…
Likewise, there are other experiments that, in principle, can be repeated at any time, but are practically impossible to repeat for most of us. For example, one cannot test a nuclear bomb at home (at least I hope so). Thus the facts about it are supported by historical facts. And how is one going to trust the statements concerning Physics while distrusting the historical evidence that supports them…? And someone who does take witness testimony seriously will have do do some work before dismissing it when it concerns supernatural claims.