My Christmas Eve story of Catholic/Protestant churches.

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I’m not sure where this goes, but I’m going to post it here and let the moderators move it if necessary.

It’s a story of what happened on Christmas Eve.

My family attended the 4:30 Children’s Mass on Christmas Eve, as I had to play the piano for the Gospel pageant. During the Mass, I was especially aware of the priest’s prayers for the grace of God to be in us all. (Sometimes it’s hard for the pianist to pay attention, since I am concentrating on the “cues” to start playing!)

At ten-thirty, we attended the worship service at my parents-in-law’s United Methodist Church. My husband and I and our daughter (also Catholic) were extremely tired at this point, and we went purely out of obligation and love for parents/grandparents.

Everything was pretty non-offensive until the sermon. The Gospel was John 1 (just like in the Catholic Church).

I was settling into the 100-year-old pew for a long nap, when the minister–a woman–introduced her sermon with these sentences: “What exactly IS this word spoken of in the Gospel? Is it peace? Love? What word did God speak to bring Jesus into existence?”

It was like a movie–my husband, I, and my daughter all sat straight up in our seats and lip-synched, “What!!!”

My daughter reached for the pew Bible, turned to John 1, and pointed to “The Word was GOD!”

My husband took out his Palm Pilot, found John 1, and pointed to the same sentence.

I didn’t have to find a Bible–I knew the passage.

Well, so much for the nap! We were all wide-awake wondering what “heresy” the pastor would say next!

We didn’t wait long. A few minutes later, the pastor said, “Jesus gave up his divinity to come to earth.”

Again, we all sat up in our seats. This time, I reached for the hymnal and pointed to the Nicene Creed “Light from Light” passage.

The rest of the sermon was a mushy, confusing mish-mosh of statements about the need to go to Darfur and help the people there. 🤷

I was sitting there fuming, wondering why my father-in-law–a graduate of Bible school–puts up with this teaching week after week. This is the kind of stuff that Protestants recognize as heretical!

The really interesting part of the story happened before the Communion. The pastor lost her voice.

Yes, she stood there and tried to say the “words of consecration” (which are the same as the priest says in the Catholic Church), and she couldn’t say them.

My husband, daughter, and I were sitting there, and I KNEW that this was God’s way of rebuking her for teaching such awful things to her flock. It made me tremble to see His power.

Anyway, the sequel to the story happened a few days later at our annual family gathering. My father-in-law was sitting at the table along with several of us, and we got to talking about the Bible and God, and I asked him–politely!–what he thought of that sermon on Christmas Eve.

Thankfully, he said that he knew it was wrong and not from the Bible, and he even said that he tries not to listen to her sermons because they’re so wrong. I told him about the Christmas morning homily that I had heard at the CATHOLIC Church–the priest emphasized the importance of knowing Jesus personally (a subject that is near and dear to Protestants).

My father-in-law then talked about how much he enjoys listening to Father Korape (spelling?) on the radio. I told him he’s welcome to come to Mass anytime he wants to hear a BIBLICAL sermon! He seemed quite responsive to that invitation.

So that’s the story. Anyone else have any good stories from Christmas about the churches they visited, Catholic or Protestant?
 
I’m not sure where this goes, but I’m going to post it here and let the moderators move it if necessary.

It’s a story of what happened on Christmas Eve.

My family attended the 4:30 Children’s Mass on Christmas Eve, as I had to play the piano for the Gospel pageant. During the Mass, I was especially aware of the priest’s prayers for the grace of God to be in us all. (Sometimes it’s hard for the pianist to pay attention, since I am concentrating on the “cues” to start playing!)

At ten-thirty, we attended the worship service at my parents-in-law’s United Methodist Church. My husband and I and our daughter (also Catholic) were extremely tired at this point, and we went purely out of obligation and love for parents/grandparents.

Everything was pretty non-offensive until the sermon. The Gospel was John 1 (just like in the Catholic Church).

I was settling into the 100-year-old pew for a long nap, when the minister–a woman–introduced her sermon with these sentences: “What exactly IS this word spoken of in the Gospel? Is it peace? Love? What word did God speak to bring Jesus into existence?”

It was like a movie–my husband, I, and my daughter all sat straight up in our seats and lip-synched, “What!!!”

My daughter reached for the pew Bible, turned to John 1, and pointed to “The Word was GOD!”

My husband took out his Palm Pilot, found John 1, and pointed to the same sentence.

I didn’t have to find a Bible–I knew the passage.

Well, so much for the nap! We were all wide-awake wondering what “heresy” the pastor would say next!

We didn’t wait long. A few minutes later, the pastor said, “Jesus gave up his divinity to come to earth.”

Again, we all sat up in our seats. This time, I reached for the hymnal and pointed to the Nicene Creed “Light from Light” passage.

The rest of the sermon was a mushy, confusing mish-mosh of statements about the need to go to Darfur and help the people there. 🤷

I was sitting there fuming, wondering why my father-in-law–a graduate of Bible school–puts up with this teaching week after week. This is the kind of stuff that Protestants recognize as heretical!

The really interesting part of the story happened before the Communion. The pastor lost her voice.

Yes, she stood there and tried to say the “words of consecration” (which are the same as the priest says in the Catholic Church), and she couldn’t say them.

My husband, daughter, and I were sitting there, and I KNEW that this was God’s way of rebuking her for teaching such awful things to her flock. It made me tremble to see His power.

Anyway, the sequel to the story happened a few days later at our annual family gathering. My father-in-law was sitting at the table along with several of us, and we got to talking about the Bible and God, and I asked him–politely!–what he thought of that sermon on Christmas Eve.

Thankfully, he said that he knew it was wrong and not from the Bible, and he even said that he tries not to listen to her sermons because they’re so wrong. I told him about the Christmas morning homily that I had heard at the CATHOLIC Church–the priest emphasized the importance of knowing Jesus personally (a subject that is near and dear to Protestants).

My father-in-law then talked about how much he enjoys listening to Father Korape (spelling?) on the radio. I told him he’s welcome to come to Mass anytime he wants to hear a BIBLICAL sermon! He seemed quite responsive to that invitation.

So that’s the story. Anyone else have any good stories from Christmas about the churches they visited, Catholic or Protestant?
Cat,
You would have been better off sleeping. You are correct in the bolded part.

Jon

Paging O.S. Luke.
 
I ALSO went to a Catholic mass and a United Methodist Church! Small world!
They were both fine. No heresy at either 😉
 
Sorry Cat - no similar stories , but yours was great thanks. 🙂

God Bless.

ps sp = Fr. John Corapi
 
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Cat:
I was settling into the 100-year-old pew for a long nap, when the minister–a woman–introduced her sermon with these sentences: “What exactly IS this word spoken of in the Gospel? Is it peace? Love? What word did God speak to bring Jesus into existence?”
Well, this could be interpreted as meaning that Jesus personifies the Word and the Word’s attributes are peace and love, etc. A very poor way of putting it, since it made it seem as though Jesus himself is not the Word God spoke when the Son was begotten of the Father. I’m not saying that’s what she was trying to say, but it may have been. It might be good for your father-in-law to ask her to clarify what she meant.
We didn’t wait long. A few minutes later, the pastor said, “Jesus gave up his divinity to come to earth.”
Maybe she misspoke and only meant the privileges of his divinity and, once again perhaps, put it poorly. It’d be interesting to learn just what she meant, wouldn’t it? Although, it’d be a shocker to me too.

And don’t Methodists ministers have a hierarchy to whom they answer? If this woman preaches this sort of thing regularly maybe someone should approach her about it, and if she sticks to her original ideas, contact her superiors about it. No Christian body should have to put up with heresy week after week no matter who is doing the preaching.
 
I visited my boys in Perth for Christmas. DS2 thought he’d treat me and we went to St. Patrick’s Cathedral in Fremantle for Christmas Mass. Due to other commitments, we ended up going to the 7am Mass. Well, the choir and organist were still in bed after Midnight Mass so there was NO music. Our homily was first on how the 25th of December was chosen for the Feast of the Nativity and then on what it means for us so it was pretty orthodox. Then there was what we thought was a painting but turns out to be a tapestry hanging behind the altar where the Crucifix used to be. It was hard to ignore due to its immense size and bright colours. It really looked to me like the artist had been taking LSD and thought he’d make this cathedral really ‘rad’. Instead of listening to the homily throughout, I found myself contemplating this tapestry and trying to figure out it’s symbolism. I got the celtic cross in the lower section with the 3 leaf clovers, the flames of the Holy Spirit on the right and water of Baptism on the left but the spiral at the top really had me stumped. After reading the explanation, it sounded very pagan to me drawing on ancient Irish religion prior to Catholicism. St. Patrick’s is a gothic cathedral and this tapestry is very out-of-place. Not much chance of them hanging this at a side altar and putting the Crucifix back, sadly. From the website, they seem pretty proud of it.

fremantlestpatricks.com.au/freoIcon.php
The two sections pictured here actually make up a single work and the top section with the spiral is much brighter than pictured.
 
My church was filled to the brim with standing room only. My mom was in Atlanta and told me 1400 people were in one church on Christmas Eve. That is a lot of people.
 
My in-laws and wife went to the Methodist service while I went to mass. I would have rather gone with them then to midnight mass, as I LOVE midnight mass on Christmas. I was vetoed ( we were staying with them).

Look, we can no more judge methodist by one goofball than we can judge Catholics by one goofball priest. However, this is a topic that you might want to discuss with the father-in-law and find out what the heck is going on over there. It is possible that he is missing it or that his ties to the old church outweigh, in his mind, the need for Truth in his faith life.
 
OP: :eek::eek::eek::eek:
Cat,
You would have been better off sleeping. You are correct in the bolded part.

Jon

Paging O.S. Luke.
Yikes!! That is totally off the wall…I think I would have called her on it. (I am not exactly a
http://bestsmileys.com/blushing/4.gif😛 in case that no one has noticed…).
Well, I went to the early Christmas Eve service this year. The weather was too scary to go later and besides, I love to see the little kids act out the parts of the Holy Family & the shepherds & the wise men. (During the music).
My pastor preached on the wise men. Because the emphasis at this service with all the young families, he talked about the families of the wise men, how they must have wondered what kind of a King is born in a stable, and how the wise men might have explained it to them.
It was very beautiful, very thought provoking…I could just imagine all the stories those children would have grown up on…It made the story so very meaningful. (Especially going home, when 🙂 “Joseph” and his father walked me to my car over the ice…).
 
Cat,
You would have been better off sleeping. You are correct in the bolded part.

Jon

Paging O.S. Luke.
As Ralph pointed out, there are goofballs everywhere.

My Christmas Eve story: Right after my ordination (many years ago), my wife and I attended a midnight mass while visiting my grandmother - celebrated by the most inept priest I have ever heard or seen in my entire life. His congregation helped get him through the liturgy, his homily had nothing to do with any of the readings, and had it not been for one of the EM’s, I am fairly sure he would have been clueless about communion distribution.

Yes, there are Methodist pastors who are clearly tangental to the Gospel task. But I suspect there are a few Catholic priests who are no better. As Justice Thurgood Marshall said once, “We have our stinkers too.”

To be honest, I would love to have a Christmas Eve/Christmas off sometime to be a worshiper rather than a presider. And in the grand scheme of things, the pastor/priest is less important than the Christ who is to be worshiped and adored. To quote Father John Wesley: “I go to church whether the minister is good or bad, and advise others so to do. Unstable Methodists will always be subject to the temptation of ‘sermon-hunting’.” (from Wesley’s Letters, 1791)

That’s probably good advice for everyone - not just Methodists.
 
In my Lutheran Church we heard that Jesus is the long awaited Savior come to set His people free and that Christmas is the time when we specially mark this and celebrate the great salvation he came to bring all sinners.
 
In my Lutheran Church we heard that Jesus is the long awaited Savior come to set His people free and that Christmas is the time when we specially mark this and celebrate the great salvation he came to bring all sinners.
Not to different from what we heard. The priest at the mass I attended talked of God being a God willing to get “dirty” to save us. He could have simply willed everything to the way he wanted it, but he chose a path that included suffering and death.

And he spoke of how Bethlehem means “House of Bread.” That lead into a discussion of the Real Presence.
 
How interesting. Our parish masses were packed. The midnight mass was really packed to the brim and we served on Christmas day. My son an altar server and me a EMHC. Ironically, I have many Methodists in my house as well. Not to offend anyone but I’ve particularly found Methodists to be slippery as fish when it comes to beliefs. I discovered why. Just this past week I watched the “Journey Home” recorded on my DVR. The Journey Home program is a program about former Protestant/non-Catholic/athiests and other that found themselves drawn to the Catholic Church based on theology, grace and just plain old stubbornly refusing until they saw the truth for themselves…in writing. I know one of them and have spoken with him as well. The show is part of Coming Home Network that mainly ministers to former clergy of other faiths to help them in their transition. These people gave up viable vocations as pastors in their previous faiths with all the pay and benefits provided to them before they converted. They were completely dependant upon that finanical support. THey took a big leap of faith in converting… They felt like they had no choice. Anyway, the interview on Monday, December 22, 2008 was with a former Methodist Minister that found himself and family converting while he was a pastor. He lucked out as God provided him with an open door at his current diocese, Catholic. During the interview he revealed so much about Methodism that I never really knew but always suspected…they like other Protestants have a huge palet from ultra liberal to ultra conservative…the ultras looking more like Anglicanism which really looks much like Catholicism. John Wesley was more of a Catholic Anglican from what he said.

Pretty cool stuff. I’ve heard worst from the pulpit and even from the Catholic pulpit…questioning the real presence…right before I left the Catholic Church many years ago and finally came back home in discovering the Ancient Church Father…the Patristic Fathers…the desert Fathers…etc… understanding that which I had assumed I already knew…

Happy New Year.
 
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