My contrasting beliefs on advancing one's racial group

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I agree that I am upset about our country’s moral decline. However, the modern problems in our country are the result of white liberals. White liberals started it and they ended up affecting blacks along the way. Before the liberal revolution in the 60’s African-American and African families were a lot more stronger, stable and moral. They had material poverty but were rich in ethics and spirit. Those modern problems facing too many black people today were no where near as prevalent in the past. My black grandfather is very concerned about this and has passed his concern on to me.

As far as my view on multiculturalism goes, I believe that you should be proud of and celebrate your heritage but at the same time be an American and be patriotic and assimilate. Black people are capable of doing this all at the same time and they used to until that bulldink Nationalist movement in the 70’s (By the way, Kwanzaa is FAKE. If you want to celebrate a real black holiday, celebrate the Juneteenth). Otherwise you’re just reinforcing and creating unneeded racial tension and self-segregating yourself. I believe the only exception should Indian Reservations because I feel it’s very important that they go to extremes to preserve their cultures since they are so endangered and virtually wiped out. And I don’t believe in separation of church in state. If Israel has the right to be a Jewish nation and Saudi Arabia has the right to be a Muslim nation, why don’t we have the right to be a Christian nation? I feel religious minorities should be welcome here but we shouldn’t repress Christianity in fear of offending them. They aren’t even offended.

Anyway, your post brings the point home to why I hate extremism. Be conservative enough that you have morals and standards but not so much that you’re narrow about things you shouldn’t be narrow about, like racism.
So you’re trying to tell us that black people listened to liberal white people, and that’s why there’s a break down of the family structure in black communities? :rolleyes:

Jim
 
I remember hearing about a girl who started a Caucasian club and how people called her a Nazi and a racist, even though there are African-American and Asian clubs at her school.

It’s one thing to be proud of your family history and to love your culture, but the slippery slope is when it becomes an “us vs. them” situation. St. Paul said there was to be no Greek or Jew, slave or free person, male or female, but only Christ. We’d do well to focus on that.
 
I think there is a difference between supporting a multicultural society and a multiethnic society. The Church is a multiethnic society in that it is made up of people from varying countries, socioeconomic situations, and backgrounds. To be multiethnic simply means being made up of different kinds of ethnic groups. That’s fine. A multicultural society is different because there is no unifying culture and the beliefs of one culture may be at odds with that of another. A good example of this is Canada, where the secular society is trying to accomodate Muslim polygamists, gay marriage, but not Christians. Such a society cannot survive for long (IMHO), since there is no notion of what it means to be a member of the culture and there is no desire to preserve what is good and noble from one’s ancestors. A multiethnic society is not nessesary a multicultural one. For example, while I’m black I see myself as being very much part of the West’s intellectual and cultural tradition; I attend the TLM, study Latin, and love reading about the Middle Ages. What is needed is the return of classical education so all people, regardless of race, will understand the beauty of our intellectual and religious heritage.
 
As many have pointed out, race is a fairly arbitrary thing - the real battleground and real cause of ‘DIFFERENCE’ is not genetics as much as CULTURE.

The African-American CULTURE is the culprit for most of their problems, not the fact that their ancestors were slaves 140 some years ago!

After all, what’s the difference between whites - some red-necks, some “white supremists (who aren’t the sharpest tools in the box)” some WASPS, some Catholic if not CULTURE?

What was the essential difference between the Feudal system’s serfs and nobles if not CULTURE? There was no racial divide between the classes. There was a political/educational/moral divide.

By focusing on race differentation (which is becoming less and less as the “races” intermarry - as is seen by the huge color variation among the “black” population and especially noticable in the “Hispanic” population where you go from “Indian-Indian” to blond hair, blue eyed, pale skin “Spanish”) people are missing the real issue.

Now what makes a culture? Two things: the thing you worship or value above all else (cultus = worship) and the content of your communications about or orbiting this belief and value.

Thus a warrior culture’s highest value is dying in warfare (the Jihadi culture) and everything else is lined up in service of this ideal.

The Christian culture’s highest value was Jesus Christ and his immitation - thus everything from passtimes to laws were lined up in light of this to make being a good Christ-like person EASY and make the opposite HARD.

Today’s modern “post-Christian” Western atheistic hedonist culture’s maximum value is individual sexual bliss on the one hand and socialist/centralized control of the elites of a mass of fat, dumb, and distracted proletariat utterly dependent on government for all things. That’s the value: complete sexual freedom combined with near complete political/economic control. And everything from laws to treaties are lining up accordingly.

Those subcultures among us agitating for their piece of the pie along racialist lines (Atzlan, Black Panthers, etc) prized the supremacy of race as the maximum value and thus lined up everything else including the church and state to serve this end.

We Catholics - who are all equally called to holiness regardless of whether we’re “Jew or Greek” must resist all temptations to descend from the “Catholic” culture wherein racial or ethnic differences aren’t divisive to the world’s constant bickering and “divide and conquer” tactics.

Those who seek an atheistic world government - (and they do exist) often foment racial divisions precisely because the mayhem provides a constant pretext to expand on the one hand the power of government and on the other distracts folk who otherwise might work together for nobler ends.

The original glory of Athens was its cosmopolitan population - refugees from all the other greek city-states’ wars. And Rome too became the great empire it did when all citizens - from Spain to Africa to Britain could move up the social ladder as equals. America’s original genius was it’s largely color-blind acceptance of all as “equally endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights…”

Its in the Creator that all of us, sons of Adam, find our unity and our ultimate destiny in the great wedding feast with the Lamb.
 
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