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Tomdstone
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Is that a mortal sin that will send you to hell? I mean there are so many beautiful women out there, this seems like most men are going to hell.
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bisco
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have you heard of the sacrament of reconciliation?
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Tomdstone
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What if a man is not a Catholic and he looks at a beautiful woman, or he goes to the beach? This saying seems a bit harsh to me, because it is only natural for a man to look at a beautiful woman. This is human nature and how we were made. Not all men are suited for the monastery and actually, there have been cases of clergy who have looked at a beautiful lady. Taken literally this would mean that all normal men are going to hell. I think that adultery is an entirely and totally different thing from going to the beach.
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agapewolf
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Not at all.
“looking” at someone and lusting are two completely different things.
Lusting is about taking and objectifying another for one’s own self.
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asonct
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I think the Catholic Church has lessened its stance on masturbation, still a disordered act. But the Catechism of the Catholic Church states there may be legitimate reasons that lessen the moral culpability of masturbation. Don’t recommend it but it is not as “bad” as other sins of the flesh.
Read up on this act in Catechism of Catholic Church. Peace.
Read up on this act in Catechism of Catholic Church. Peace.
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Ositokc
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My friends,
As a doctor myself I signed up just so I many respond to this topic.
It is in my professional opinion that masturbation is indeed a normal and healthy part of growing up. Obviously, in some religions, present company included, masturbation is called sinful and therefore can lead to feelings of guilt and shame. When older children/young adults go through adolescence and puberty, they often “discover” masturbation through nocturnal emission (wet dreams) or through natural exploration and curiosity of their changing bodies.
Masturbation will not: cause blindess, hair growth on palms, stunt growth, or cause brain damage.
As mentioned before, the opposite is true, in that masturbation can relieve stress, sexual frustration, and “take the edge off.”
This is how I would respond to anyone who asked my professional opinion. While I do respect the other opinions presented here, I am obligated to tell you that while you may not agree with it, you must also be willing to respect mine and the millions, perhaps billions of others who do NOT regard masturbation as sinful in any regard.
thank you for your time.
As a doctor myself I signed up just so I many respond to this topic.
It is in my professional opinion that masturbation is indeed a normal and healthy part of growing up. Obviously, in some religions, present company included, masturbation is called sinful and therefore can lead to feelings of guilt and shame. When older children/young adults go through adolescence and puberty, they often “discover” masturbation through nocturnal emission (wet dreams) or through natural exploration and curiosity of their changing bodies.
Masturbation will not: cause blindess, hair growth on palms, stunt growth, or cause brain damage.
As mentioned before, the opposite is true, in that masturbation can relieve stress, sexual frustration, and “take the edge off.”
This is how I would respond to anyone who asked my professional opinion. While I do respect the other opinions presented here, I am obligated to tell you that while you may not agree with it, you must also be willing to respect mine and the millions, perhaps billions of others who do NOT regard masturbation as sinful in any regard.
thank you for your time.
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bisco
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when you say respect, how do you mean? this is about loving and honoring God. we don’t peak into your window to see what you are doing. if you don’t love God, we can only pray that you will seek Him and get to know Him. then, your thought process will change. as for you being a ‘doctor’, please present the clinical evidence of your claim. i will pray for you.
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bisco
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don’t go to the beach, women today wear far too little for a good Catholic to be dallying with. it’s called the near occasion of sin. don’t put yourself in a situation that can lead to trouble.
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bobballen_18
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agapewolf basically already said what I was going to say, but in addition to that distinction, the Catholic Church does not teach that non-Catholics who do not have access to the sacraments are automatically condemned to Hell.
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bobballen_18
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If all you mean by “lessened its stance” is that the Catechism has outlined situations in which moral culpability may be lessened, then yes, you’re right. But someone’s moral culpability does not change the fact that it is grave matter. Anything that is grave matter is to be taken very seriously. If one has a problem with masturbation, no matter his/her moral culpability, the problem needs to be addressed. You don’t just say, “oh, his moral culpability is lessened so it’s not a big deal” - the person needs assistance and guidance on how the sin can be avoided, and if necessary needs some basic education on the theology of the body.
Of course we all must respect others views, but that doesn’t mean we may not do all we can to help one see that masturbation is very offensive to God. Respecting one’s views does not mean just letting everyone think that their sins are A-OK. Morality is not subjective, and as the Catholic faith is all about love, it is our duty to spread the love of Jesus and his teachings, which involves helping others to see that certain things are offensive to God and are ways in which we reject the love God so desires us to return to him.
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truetofaith
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Non-Catholics can ask God directly for forgiveness…as Catholics can, between confessions.
“Girls at the beach”…a man who wants to stay pure must keep his eyes guarded. You can glance at a cute girl but don’t dwell on her body. I know this is very difficult especially for young unmarried men. Go in the water & swim, then lay on the blanket with your eyes closed & get a tan until it’s time to leave.
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I was with my wife & my cousin on a beach when my cousin's friend came over with no top. I was so embarrassed :blush: I turned on my stomach until she left.....I said to my cousin..."what the h_ _ _ is with her? She said this is a nude beach. :eek: Thanks for warning me!"
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Ositokc
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In this case, your morality IS subjective. You must realize that almost all of the medical field and most other nonreligions persons consider masturbation NOT offensive at all. If fact, not a sin as you would describe it. Morality, in some cases, is a man-made concept that is defined by the society you live in; it is subjective. To suggest that your religious morality is absolute and to try and impose it upon a secular democratic society is in fact offensive to many other people.
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bisco
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‘count it all gain, when they heap abuse on you, and persecute you because of my name’.
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bisco
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doc, you may not be aware of it, but you signed onto a Catholic forum. we go by God’s laws here. we’re not really interested in your opinion, but your welcome to keep posting, because we’re all sinners, trying to find our way. i pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes, and gives you a new heart. God bless you!
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bisco
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p.s., i’m still waiting to see your ‘clinical evidence’.
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SuperLuigi
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The “medical community?” “some experts”?
My, my…if only I could cite “some experts” when debating “climate change” and so-called gay “marriage”.
For starters, let me just say this: your doctor would make a lousy dating coach.
Men (and I would say women, too) who masturbate are not doing something terribly healthy in the long-run for their romantic love life.
Look at what C.S. Lewis says about masturbation:
Now, does that sound like the thoughts of a healthy person?
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SuperLuigi
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No one is talking about government control over masturbation.
Typical, one-dimensional analysis from secular progressives.
BTW, how did you come to Buddhism?
I have a theory on that…
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Demetra2
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Plain and simple and to the point!
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Ositokc
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From the children’s health encyclopedia:p.s., i’m still waiting to see your ‘clinical evidence’.
Masturbation is the self-stimulation of the sex organs, most often to the point of orgasm. Sixty to ninety percent of adolescent boys and 40 percent of girls masturbate. Although people’s attitudes about masturbation differ widely, there is no evidence that masturbation is in any way physically, psychologically, or emotionally harmful. For many young people, masturbation is an opportunity for private sexual exploration before deciding to engage is sexual activity with another person. It is also considered the safest form of sex in the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases , including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).
Masturbation allows a healthy way to express and explore one’s sexuality and to release sexual tension without the associated risks of sexual intercourse, according to many healthcare providers. They also agree that masturbation is a natural, normal, and healthy way of self-exploration and sexual expression.
It is increasingly recognized among mental health professionals that masturbation can relieve depression and lead to a higher sense of self worth. Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships in which one partner wants more sexual activity than the other, in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect.
Many conservative religious groups teach that masturbation is a sinful practice. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2352, lists masturbation as one of the “Offenses against Chastity” and calls it “an intrinsically and gravely disordered action” because “use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” It goes on to caution that extenuating factors could exist, such as immaturity, habitual, or psychological problems.
The discussion of masturbation has been controversial for hundreds of years and still is to some extent in the early 2000s, more so in the United States than Europe and other Western nations. Children caught by their parents masturbating are often punished and told it is a sin. In fact, there is no mention of the word “masturbation” or “self-pleasure” in the Bible. Children are also often told it is wrong or unhealthy, myths that are not supported by medical research.
Note: The Encyclopedia of Children’s Health is composed of in-depth articles that cover various medical conditions, disorders, and pediatric diseases, and contains a section about behavioral, physical, and cognitive development. Since it’s been written without the complex and confusing medical terminology, it is a perfect fit for parents, teenagers, and medical students. The Encyclopedia of Children’s Health: Infancy through Adolescence features detailed articles about major body systems and is structured into 5 main sections which include Immunizations, Drugs, Procedures, Diseases & Disorders, and Development. We hope you will find this web site a valuable and useful resource for all your medical questions.
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bisco
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citation: the big book of masturbation. LOL, this is your clinical research?
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