My doubts (God complicates things)

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godfree12 said:
I have killed this ‘G-d’ with a mere thought, and so have many other protestants, atheists, muslims, etc.
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i see you have gone to the dark side of the force, my young padawan.
God changes definition. There is no one definition of ‘Him’. Even the Catholic definition has changed, more-so evolved over the years.
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our understanding becomes more clarified over time, that doesn’t change who G-d is, He is not contingent on us.
Here we see that all non-believers are to be condemned by the ‘one’ church:
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they condemn themselves, we dont condemn them, they make the choice. yet they can be forgiven, not all is yet lost for them
That creed was indeed closer to the time of Jesus, so it would be assumed it was more Holy.
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why would you assume that?, Holiness has no expiration date, it doesnt go bad with time.
If the concept of God has not changed over the years then George W. Bush and Barack Obama should be condemned publicly by the One church. They certainly do not adhere to the proclamations of the Nicean creed:
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they are also not catholics, they are protestants.
Being very public figures, their condemnation would lead them to repent, in theory.
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what makes you think that would happen, what theory supports that?
But, no, the ‘one’ church has not publicly condemned these figures, so the ‘one’ church has indeed changed its policies.
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  1. it has never been to my knowledge our policy to condemn POTUS for not being Catholic.
  2. we can change policy whenever we want, whats the big deal about that?
The ‘one’ church has indeed changed its stance on God.
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how have we changed our stance on G-d? we may clarify our understanding, but, to my knowledge, we have never said we were previously wrong about G-d, we now believe Him to be this or that way.
Therefore the concept of God is subject to change.
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not by us, you keep confusing us with other faiths.
Therefore it is not a concrete belief.
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you are confusing the concept of G-d, with the reality of G-d
It is subject to the will and power of Man.
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nothing new there, any concept is subject to the one considering it, but you seem to be drawing the conclusion that G-d Himself is some how subject to you, because you can manipulate a concept of Him

that is an old idea of controlling someone by controlling their effigy, a ‘concept’ of them

it is called…

voodoo

doo yoo doo voodoo? 🙂
 
notsmart said:
I never spent so much time fighting with God as an athiest. I am blown away by these posts.
I sincerely think that godfree spends more time thinking about God than I did up until recently. Maybe more than I do even now.🤷
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yeah thats a good thing, thoughts about G-d lead inexorably into His Divine embrace.
 
godfree12 said:
sigh
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dont worry, i spent my freshman year as a philosophy major under going the same angst,

it only took me a semester to realize that my philosophy professors were pre-homeless, and what they taught was as useful in the real world as teats on a boar hog.

take heart, many of us have been where you are now. ❤️
 
godfree12 said:
sigh
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you konw, mybae i can mkae my pinot lkie tihs, lkie tihs sytle of wirtnig, in tihs etxsitesne the msot iportmnat prat is the benginnig and the end, as lnog as you can make sesne of tohse all the carp in the mdidle desnot maen ddildy suqat.

do you udernsantd now? :hypno:
 
With 66 replies and 666 views, I thought it appropriate to say, thanks be to God for our being able to know and love Him. I thank Him for being able to recognize Him in His masterpiece of creation. I thank Him for the ability to pray for godfree12 and all of those who are blind to the grandeur of our Creator.

God could never complicate things, only we can. And by viewing this thread, we sure do a very good job at it. It must be so hard for God to have people deny His existence but then we do that everytime we sin, at least for the moment when we put something infinitely lesser in His place…teachccd
 
warpspeedpetey said:
you konw, mybae i can mkae my pinot lkie tihs, lkie tihs sytle of wirtnig, in tihs etxsitesne the msot iportmnat prat is the benginnig and the end, as lnog as you can make sesne of tohse all the carp in the mdidle desnot maen ddildy suqat.

do you udernsantd now? :hypno:
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😃 You are too much!😃
 
warpspeedpetey said:
where do you think our friend went?
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To hell for eternal damnation. To tell you the truth I’d much rather be there than in heaven with this hubristic ignorance. The same ignorance that founded the ‘stable’ and ‘prosperous’ Dark Ages.

But, forget me. Christianity and the ‘true’ church take back the world that must just not ‘have seen the light’.

Hooray for indulgences. You can buy your way to heaven!
 
godfree12 said:
To hell for eternal damnation. To tell you the truth I’d much rather be there than in heaven with this hubristic ignorance.
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**hubristic ignorance **

hubristic ignorance n. lat. *no nada
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the quality by which one would prefer to be the king of hell, rather than the servant of heaven.

alt def. cutting ones nose off to spite ones face

peteys’ common sense dictionary unabridged version 2008:)
The same ignorance that founded the ‘stable’ and ‘prosperous’ Dark Ages.
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who said the dark ages were stable or prosperous? western civilization only survived the collapse of the roman empire because the Catholic church was there to fill the power vacuum.
other wise we may still be barbarian tribes, hunting boar in the european forests, how stable or prosperous would we be today if the government folded suddenly? credit where credit is due and all that.
But, forget me. Christianity and the ‘true’ church take back the world that must just not ‘have seen the light’.
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well as the worlds largest religion, at 1/3 of the world population and growing, we are off to a great start!
Hooray for indulgences. You can buy your way to heaven!
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indulgences don’t get you into heaven, they deal only with the temporal effects of venial sin.

though i think you are reffering to the medieval abuses that sere stopped long ago. as Christ said “the wheat will grow up with the tares”

but you seem stuck on things that happened generations ago, why? do you think to find some fault with the church through the sins of her members? if your brother breaks the law does that make you guilty?

i see that you have run out of logic, and reason, so now you are down to calling us ignorant and prideful.

if we are so ignorant, than how is it that we can readily find the flaws in your reasoning?

so, either we are all incredibly ignorant, or you are wrong

which do you think is more likely?
 
godfree12 said:
We, as intelligence, throughout history have either not been able to explain why we are here, or have not had the confidence to believe that we are here as a result of nature - as a result of the universe.
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Naturally so: since none of us has ever seen evolution taking place. We’ve seen results, that seem to portend something like “evolution”, but, in six thousand years, we’ve never experienced it, according to science.
In order to explain our phenomenology and gain confidence in our purpose, we created concepts known as gods. The Egyptians I think were around the first to create gods, and those gods served them well - in terms of self-confidence over other civilizations, as their incredible empire was the largest at its time - ruling over the godless. It’s sort of like natural selection. Those with God(s)conquered through their inspiration and ability to form alliances under one cause. I could cite a hundred examples of God(s) used as confidence, but the key remains: We created them, and nature, through humanity, created God.
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While there were indeed other gods extant before Christ, the concept of our God has been around since the beginning of man. You have a very poor understanding of history.
Jesus is not some supernatural being, he is Man; by claiming he was God, and by our belief in Him, We are all God, for humanity (we) created God.
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This logic is beyond absurd.
It’s evolution from a spiritual, infinite, religious point of view. For the universe is infinite, and Being is in itself. We don’t need a creator for nature is our creator; We are now its controller.
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The Universe IS NOT INFINITE. Please, document your statement or retract it. Your entire cosmology is based upon an invalid assumption. How can a universe that began 14 billion years ago be infinite? You may also have a very poor understanding of what “infinite” means. I asked you for your definition of it in another post, but, didn’t get an answer.

If your science is based upon error, your conclusions are probably in errror too.

JD
 
JDaniel said:
Naturally so: since none of us has ever seen evolution taking place. We’ve seen results, that seem to portend something like “evolution”, but, in six thousand years, we’ve never experienced it, according to science.

While there were indeed other gods extant before Christ, the concept of our God has been around since the beginning of man. You have a very poor understanding of history.

This logic is beyond absurd.

The Universe IS NOT INFINITE. Please, document your statement or retract it. Your entire cosmology is based upon an invalid assumption. How can a universe that began 14 billion years ago be infinite? You may also have a very poor understanding of what “infinite” means. I asked you for your definition of it in another post, but, didn’t get an answer.

If your science is based upon error, your conclusions are probably in errror too.

JD
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makes me wonder if its another MOQ devotee trying to sneak in th back door 🙂

how was your trip?
 
warpspeedpetey said:
makes me wonder if its another MOQ devotee trying to sneak in th back door 🙂

how was your trip?
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Well, that’s how they like to slip in. Anyhow, my trip was wonderful. Grand kids are more than wonderful and my kids were great.

Good news: one of my daughters is back in the Church. Hopefully, my other daughter will be back soon.

Thank you for your sincere interest.

JD
 
JDaniel said:
Naturally so: since none of us has ever seen evolution taking place. We’ve seen results, that seem to portend something like “evolution”, but, in six thousand years, we’ve never experienced it, according to science.

While there were indeed other gods extant before Christ, the concept of our God has been around since the beginning of man. You have a very poor understanding of history.

This logic is beyond absurd.

The Universe IS NOT INFINITE. Please, document your statement or retract it. Your entire cosmology is based upon an invalid assumption. How can a universe that began 14 billion years ago be infinite? You may also have a very poor understanding of what “infinite” means. I asked you for your definition of it in another post, but, didn’t get an answer.

If your science is based upon error, your conclusions are probably in errror too.

JD
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You’re right let’s throw out the basis of modern medicine, psychology, social science, and physics.
bible:
The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life; and man became a living soul
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And women are all just a bunch o’ ribs
 
godfree12 said:
You’re right let’s throw out the basis of modern medicine, psychology, social science, and physics
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you havent’ answered the question, which do you think is more likely, that we are all incredibly ignorant or that you are wrong?

either one or the other is true, so please let us know what you think and why.
 
While there were indeed other gods extant before Christ, the concept of our God has been around since the beginning of man. You have a very poor understanding of history.
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So your unquestionable logic says: Ra=Shamash=Zeus=Krishna Vasudeva=Shakti=Pluto=Yahweh=Buddha=Allah=your God

These must all be the same in your dynamic comprehension of things past.

The concept of your God has not been around since the beginning of man.
 
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