My experience at my territorial parish OF

[misspriss]

Actually, at my parish we always hold hands during the Our Father, and always shake hands at the Sign of Peace. I actually hug people during the Sign of Peace, as long as I know them pretty well. I had no idea this was out of the ordinary.

At mine, some (few) hold hands during the Our Father, some (more than a few but far less than half) hold their hands out, palms up, but do not hold hands, but most don’t. We shake hands during the sign of peace, some close friends and families hug, and married people sometimes kiss. I didn’t know this was out of the ordinary until I started frequenting CAF

 

[ConstantineTG]

Then someone had better tell them, because they seem to be under the impression that the area goes by that name.

Well, I just thought we are in that day and age when calling someone Indian is deemed a racial slur if one is not from India.

 

[wasserfall]

Well, I just thought we are in that day and age when calling someone Indian is deemed a racial slur if one is not from India.

The islands to the south of Florida are called “the west indies” among other things. So people from that area are “west indians” – it has nothing to do with them being american aborigines or whatever politically correct name you can dream up.

As for racial slurs, I happen to know a full-blooded Cherokee Indian whose only word for his ethnic classification is “indian”. The other term used in the USA is native americans. I’ve never heard anyone but Canadians use the silly phrase “first nation”.

Consider yourself corrected and now better informed.

 

[ConstantineTG]

The islands to the south of Florida are called “the west indies” among other things. So people from that area are “west indians” – it has nothing to do with them being american aborigines or whatever politically correct name you can dream up.

As for racial slurs, I happen to know a full-blooded Cherokee Indian whose only word for his ethnic classification is “indian”. The other term used in the USA is native americans. I’ve never heard anyone but Canadians use the silly phrase “first nation”.

Consider yourself corrected and now better informed.

Well, I do live in Canada. And we don’t call them “Native Canadians” because there wasn’t a Canada back then. Native Americans are therefore inaccurate because they were never native to America.

 

[TrueLight]

How was the music? Hippity stuff? traditional hymns?

The mass itself was according to one of the mass settings. I’m not sure which one, but it was okay.

The hymns were traditional hymns in English. I can’t even remember them, but I enjoyed singing them. The Cantor sang at the piano. He also announced the page number of the song which was helpful. A couple of other things I left out:

– the missal(?) was bound along with the hymnal into one book.
– the Divine Mercy image was up front to the left. .

 

[Phemie]

Yes, happens all the time at our parish

By West Indian, do you mean people from the West of India? Or do you mean Native American/First Nations?

Here in Canada we call those from India as East Indians.

In Canada it’s confusing because we most often call First Nation Canadians “Indians”, real Indians “East Indians”, and those from the Caribbean (the West Indies) “West Indians”.

 

[wasserfall]

Well, I do live in Canada. And we don’t call them “Native Canadians” because there wasn’t a Canada back then. Native Americans are therefore inaccurate because they were never native to America.

America is the name of the continent, therefore “native Americans”. But actually that’s inaccurate too because anyone who isn’t an immigrant to America is a native American.

I suppose the most technically correct phrase is what I used before: “American aborigine”

Anyway sorry for the derail, this has nothing to do with West Indians or the West Indies.

 

[CB_Catholic]

I think the way the collection was done may be due to some cultural practices. We have a “sister parish” in Central America, and those who have visited say that during the Offertory, people bring gifts to the altar–things like chickens and pigs, baskets of food, etc. They don’t pass around baskets for money (most don’t have any money).

If they come from an area where they normally bring the gifts up to the altar, they probably just continued the practice, only now they use money. I don’t think this is unusual, as I have seen videos of people bringing up their non-money offerings to the altar in other countries.

 

[englishredrose]

I dont know what you are unhappy with really if being honest.

peace be with you

 

[PacoG]

Well they are Indians. People from Pakistan are Pakistani. South Asians are like North Americans. There are Americans and Canadians who are both North Americans.

Not to be a Geography Nazi, but Mexico is also part of the North American continent.

 

[Batfink]

It sounds like a fairly standard OF Mass, although I’ve never seen what you describe at the Elevation.

What surprised me was that you were the only one veiled and receiving COTT. In the UK, I have found that ‘black’ majority parishes (I don’t intend to argue over West Indian etc. ) have a far higher proportion of veiling and COTT than average ‘white’ or ‘mixed’ parishes.

The parish where I work is about 70% black Caribbean and African, 15% Indian and the rest a mix of Philippino, East European, Irish and white British. I would estimate nearly half receive COTT, higher on a weekday and a significant proportion of the women cover their heads in some way (mostly hats and berets but a few mantillas). Our neighbouring parish, which is considerably richer and whiter, has a much greater proportion of CITH and pretty much only those in habits veil! From the parishes around the UK, I had considered this to be a general trend, I wonder if it’s different elsewhere.

 

[TrueLight]

It sounds like a fairly standard OF Mass, although I’ve never seen what you describe at the Elevation.

What surprised me was that you were the only one veiled and receiving COTT. In the UK, I have found that ‘black’ majority parishes (I don’t intend to argue over West Indian etc. ) have a far higher proportion of veiling and COTT than average ‘white’ or ‘mixed’ parishes.

Hmm. I’m not sure if it was just that particular parish. I think the laity be open to it if their priest started serving COTT.

 

[TrueLight]

I think the way the collection was done may be due to some cultural practices. We have a “sister parish” in Central America, and those who have visited say that during the Offertory, people bring gifts to the altar–things like chickens and pigs, baskets of food, etc. They don’t pass around baskets for money (most don’t have any money).

If they come from an area where they normally bring the gifts up to the altar, they probably just continued the practice, only now they use money. I don’t think this is unusual, as I have seen videos of people bringing up their non-money offerings to the altar in other countries.

Do you know if the rubrics say you shouldn’t do it that way or does it not matter?

The way it happened is that two young boy teens stood in front and receive the offerings in their baskets, then they turned to the altar server and EMHC, bowed to them and then the server and EMHC took the baskets and put them away.

 

[CB_Catholic]

Do you know if the rubrics say you shouldn’t do it that way or does it not matter?

The way it happened is that two young boy teens stood in front and receive the offerings in their baskets, then they turned to the altar server and EMHC, bowed to them and then the server and EMHC took the baskets and put them away.

I don’t know. I have never read or heard anything about how the offertory is to be collected. I really don’t think there is anything wrong with what was done. The money got to where it was supposed to, and there was nothing irreverent. But someone more versed in the rubrics would have to answer if there is anything covering it.

 

[TrueLight]

I don’t know. I have never read or heard anything about how the offertory is to be collected. I really don’t think there is anything wrong with what was done. The money got to where it was supposed to, and there was nothing irreverent. But someone more versed in the rubrics would have to answer if there is anything covering it.

To me it was fine, but I don’t know that much about rubrics.

 

[OraLabora]

Of the Masses where I live (all OF Masses), one is exceptional (Gregorian chant), all of the rest are adequate. But alas, not all are “cringe-free”

I consider any Mass with a valid consecration to be “adequate”.

Cringe-free though, is another matter altogether…

 

[TrueLight]

Of the Masses where I live (all OF Masses), one is exceptional (Gregorian chant), all of the rest are adequate. But alas, not all are “cringe-free”

I consider any Mass with a valid consecration to be “adequate”.

Cringe-free though, is another matter altogether…

This one was cringe-free. Thank goodness!

 

[Phemie]

I don’t know. I have never read or heard anything about how the offertory is to be collected. I really don’t think there is anything wrong with what was done. The money got to where it was supposed to, and there was nothing irreverent. But someone more versed in the rubrics would have to answer if there is anything covering it.

This is what the GIRM says about the Offertory Procession:

**The Preparation of the Gifts
**73. (…) The offerings are then brought forward. It is a praiseworthy practice for the bread and wine to be presented by the faithful. They are then accepted at an appropriate place by the Priest or the Deacon to be carried to the altar.

Even though the faithful no longer bring from their own possessions the bread and wine intended for the liturgy as was once the case, nevertheless the rite of carrying up the offerings still keeps its spiritual efficacy and significance.

Even money or other gifts for the poor or for the Church, brought by the faithful or collected in the church, are acceptable; given their purpose, they are to be put in a suitable place away from the Eucharistic table.

We are so used to the way collection is done that we think anything else is iffy. When you think about it there is something very personal about coming forward with what you’ve judged you can give to the Church.

It’s all about what you’re used to: some of us are so used to baskets on long handles that when an actual collection plate is passed around from person to person we somehow think it’s something abnormal – even though for those parishes the long-handled basket would seem very strange.

 

[TrueLight]

I would also say that bland smiles are what diplomats use. If you’re truly at peace with your neighbors I think a little more is called for. While you seem a little more analytic-minded, and less touchy-feely-emotional overall, this kind of gesture really means a lot to those who are more touchy-feely. And even if you’re just going through the motions, and don’t care for the position of the Sign of Peace in the midst of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, the act of interacting positively with your neighbors will probably lift your spirit a bit, which is a good thing.

I have been thinking about your comment and I want to say thank you for the fraternal correction.

 

[twf]

Super sorry about being nit-picky, but the term for people from India, Pakistan, etc. is actually South Asian. However people from India contribute to that confusion by referring to themselves as East Indian.

In my region (Lower Mainland, BC, Canada) there is a very large population of Indian descent and they are colloquially called “Brown”…just like those of European descent are “white” and those of African descent are “black”. The term is used by those of Indian descent as well - at least among the younger generations. The politically correct term is Indo-Canadian. Aboriginal peoples are either natives or First Nations, but never Indians - unless you are an old white lady who doesn’t know any better .