My Extraordinary form question

[stevusmagnus]

That would apply if it had been granted the status of Diocesan Right.

It was erected under Diocesan law and did fall under the specified Canons.

 

[malphono]

It was erected under Diocesan law and did fall under the specified Canons.

No I don’t think so: it was established as a pio unio. But I’m not going to argue this since I really don’t much care.

 

[stevusmagnus]

No I don’t think so: it was established as a pio unio. But I’m not going to argue this since I really don’t much care.

Then it is a factual question. Must be a way to find out through the documents.

 

[CarlosBarrera]

Not true. The Society was formed with full approval by the local Bishop.

No offense, but please educate yourself on this before making claims to the public.

As I have said and other members have said, the SSPX was formed in disobedience and are currently operating in disobedience.

Have you ever wondered why they don’t have parishes? And why they only have chapels? It’s because they don’t have permission for public ministry within a Catholic diocese.

 

[Timothysis]

The Orthodox church’s existence is an act of disobedience, yet Canon law allows for reception of their sacraments in certain circumstances.

If canon law allows for the reception of the sacraments in the Orthodox church, and canon law allows for the reception of (some) sacraments at an sspx Mass, then is the sspx’s existence “an act of disobedience,” too???

I doubt that that its the point you were trying to make.

 

[Timothysis]

If you’ve ever attended a NO Mass where the priest said one word wrong or got one rubric wrong you’ve attended an “illicit” Mass. If you regularly attend a Mass where Eucharistic Ministers are used but are not absolutely needed, you are attending an “illicit” Mass.

In case you weren’t aware, relativism has been condemned by the Church.

Assuming that we bandy about the word “illicit” as you have, there should be nothing at all wrong, then, with illicit actions during Ordinary Form Masses as there is with attending illicit Extraordinary Form Masses celebrated by the sspx. After all, if "the priest said one word wrong or got one rubric wrong you’ve attended an “illicit” Mass." So, are we then to just dismiss the illicitness of sspx celebrated liturgies because any other Mass with "one word wrong" is illicit, too, and so it’s all just a problem of kind and not degree???

It seems to me that it is very hard for a group to claim to be within the Church when their priests are suspended from any and all priestly functions, where their celebration of the liturgy is “illicit,” meaning “not allowed” by Canon law and who act in disobedience against the pope and the Church each and every time they celebrate the liturgy. That, coupled with the fact that Pope Benedict XVI has said that the sspx “*have no active ministry in the Church” * leads me to believe that, while they are certainly Catholic, they are not part of the Catholic Church.

Of course, as I said before, that’s just me.