My faith is better than your faith

[mikew262]

You’re joking, right?

An anti-religious website? A former nun who writes “Catholicism Unmasked”? Ian Paisley??

And you say you “can’t promise there isn’t any bias”?

Duuuude!

When it comes to Catholicism, if any of these sites said the sky was up, I’d still look out a window to check. The axe these sites have to grind is big enough to chop up any possibility they have of credibility.

You might as well go to an SDA site to “prove” that the Pope is the AntiChrist.

Anything these sites get “right” would fall into two categories:

1. 
   *]peppering the false with the true to boost credibility
   *]getting it right accidentally (as in, a stopped clock is completely accurate twice daily)

1. 
   I can’t speak to the accuracy of these websites, but I have no current reason to doubt them either. However, surely you know no pro-catholic website would put out these facts (if in fact true). They are not going to air the Church’s “dirty laundry”.
   
   If you feel they are false, so be it. Refute them if you want too, but probably on another thread would be better.
   
   Again if true, it’s not the institution of the Church at fault; it’s the sinfulness of it’s human leaders.

 

[zografou]

Swords and fists down for a moment… please read and consider this simple note…

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-*Zografou 2005 *The Fullness of Faith, Always Great, Never Small… when as such, it is Blessed

The fullness of faith
may be seen in all people of Faith,
if such be your pleasure;
belonging to all as revealed
in good measure:

-to those, who in their fullness,
follow in faith;

• to those, who in their fullness,
  follow with faith;
  -to those, who in their fullness,
  follow the fullness of faith…

Most excellent of all, is perfection in Truth…
-and to those, who in Faith and with Faith
follow fully, the fullness of Faith:

-not a myth or a legend, or made up by man;
but, conveyed by the Maker Who dwelt in the land,
how we live to be healed
and to take us by hand;
through the life-giving All Holy Spirit of Truth
the Fathers passed on,
what exactly was written by those who bore witness
and that which was not,
in Tradition as taught.
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Less is less.

But if even so, this must be shown:
that if indeed, less is less;
when full, it is full.

   And be that it may,

that my cup measures not up to the rest;
if so humble a cup and if so He did will,
shall I complain
and provoke His disdain?

  Can I not see, in the light of His light,

that when filled it is filled,
no more and no less;
-so what more could be best?

When my fullness is filled,

what more shall I seek?

Then it is done;
then, it’s complete;
so let it be;
Lord knows what comes next…

No more can I ask.
For what’s more than replete?

And when I am filled,
by His fullness made whole…

What is left to be filled, when so filled to the peak?

What next can be told; of what more can I speak?

     Ah yes, now I see… then my cup runneth over, and with this I am blessed.

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Of the same it is true of all that I see,
whether that to be filled,
first seemed small or immense…
their amount held
considered as greater or less

• and this, to a certain degree!

A thimble holds less than a cup,
it is true;
and much more can be told of the chalice some hold,
be it silver or gold
(but, for now lets go on with this train of thought… if I may be so bold).

Next, shall we see, what a pitcher maintains?
It is more but still less
than a pond or a lake
-be it tiny or great;

and yet more is still less,
we see than the sea…
(even greater to fathom, that which an ocean contains!)

     Thus, it would seem that all may measure "in essence"* the same;  
         as once being filled, 
                                                                           have a similar yield; 
                                                                    this, in spite of their frame!

* “in essence” -though indeed not homoousion!​

• Can I not see, in the light of His light, that when filled it is filled,
  no more and no less;
  so what more could be best?

 So, when all have been filled,

by His measure
made whole…
What is left to be filled, when so filled to their peak?

Then it is done; 
 then, it's complete;

so let it be;
for what’s more than replete?

        And if so they are filled, 
                and if so He did will,

shall I complain and provoke His disdain?

  For indeed, then it would seem that all measure "in essence"* the same;  
         as once past being filled,

have a similar yield:
…overfloweth alike, notwithstanding their frame!

* “in essence” -though indeed not homoousion!*​

What next can be told; of what more can I speak?

Ah yes, now I see… then, their cup runneth over; and with this, they are blessed.

Of what more could we ask?    
Of what more should we seek?

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So, it may be seen,
as we said from the first, that
the fullness of faith may be seen in all people of Faith,
if such be your pleasure;
belonging to all, as revealed in good measure…

           Good is good, 
          better is better 
         and best is best.

     That which is good

-may not be better or best,
yet important to note,
that even if so,
ceases not to be good!!!

    Good is still good,

though not better or best!

But let us go on, to that which comes next…

   Some will attempt

in their minds to suggest,
that, that which comes next
-be accounted as great.

But not so where we go; 
         as such is a measure succeeding,
when subsequent to size,

• and it’s quality -not quantity,
  our focus maintains
  as the much greater prize!
  (and since, great as renown may be awful or good…)

      Let us thus resist
  this thought to retain

and follow with what’s best,
to what follows best, best…

  Better than best is most excellent of all and perfection in Truth!
  -attained and proclaimed by those who in Faith and with Faith,

follow fully, the fullness of Faith…

To Salvation the call, so needed by all;
restoration complete -as promised, as shown,
the Way of deification
to all is made known;
and this is assured
from the Highest is blessed.
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