My first Byzantine Divine Liturgy!

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Hi everyone, just wanted to share my thoughts on my first Byzantine-rite divine liturgy. I just got home from Church so it is fresh in my mind. I had been thinking about attending DL for some time but always found an excuse not to go this or that Sunday. I finally made myself the promise that I would go today no matter what. What an enriching experience! It was a small but beautiful Byzantine Catholic church in Orlando, FL (orlandobyzantine.com/) and because it is very close to the main tourist areas there were a lot of people who were obviously latin-rite and were probably a bit freaked out lol, but before the DL the priest, Fr. Sal, graciously explained to all what the Eastern Catholic churches are all about. I was a little “scared” at first since this would be the first time I went into any type of non-RC church in years but literally as soon as I walked in the door a very sweet lady came over to me and gave me a quick explanation of how to follow along. It was very easy. The green book is easy to follow and they provide a pamphlet to help you. I loved all the singing and incense and it was a remarkably simple yet profound liturgy.I know we in latin-rite parishes have the idea that Byzantine worship is terribly complex and elaborate but I felt that everything “flowed” naturally and the plainchant was very easy to follow. I especially loved that confession is provided right before the mass, I wish all parishes had that. I grew up (in Puerto Rico) always having confession available right before mass and miss not having that in Orlando. The liturgy was in English and I was surprised to see that the translation they use for the Nicene Creed is very similar to the one we are going to adopt in the Latin Rite (one in substance…according to…incarnate) and also they say “and with your spirit”. Another thing I loved was that right before communion there is a prayer recited by the people that puts emphasis on the real presence and how we should be spiritually ready to receive:

O Lord, I believe and profess that You are truly Christ, the Son of the living God, Who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the first.

Accept me as a partaker of Your mystical supper, O Son of God, for I will not reveal Your mystery to Your enemies, nor will I give you a kiss as did Judas, but like the thief I confess to You:

Remember me, O Lord, when You shall come into Your kingdom.

Remember me, O Master, when You shall come into Your kingdom.

Remember me, O Holy One, when You shall come into Your kingdom.

May the partaking of Your Holy mysteries, O Lord, be not for my judgment or condemnation, but for the healing of my soul and body.

O Lord, I also believe and profess that this, which I am about to receive, is truly Your most precious body and Your life-giving blood, which, I pray, make me worthy to receive for the remission of all my sins and for life everlasting. Amen.

O God, be merciful to me a sinner.

O God, cleanse me of my sins and have mercy on me.

O Lord, forgive me for I have sinned without number.

The priest was great also, he went over to people and asked them where they were from and if it was their first time at a Byzantine church he would explain any questions. He sat down with me and answered some of my questions. He was very welcoming as were also the parishioners.I’m very culturally attached to the Roman-rite but I must say that there was a more Catholic feeling at this DL than what I have experienced in the mainly modernist parishes of Orlando. I suppose the art and incense helped create a very sanctified atmosphere that I haven’t experienced in a while. Since most churches in Orlando were built after the 60’s and 70’s very few of them have that very Catholic “feeling” that as a Hispanic I grew up with. I loved every second of it, it was a great spiritual experience and I will definitely go again. 😃
 
Alex-
Thanks for posting such a lively account of your first Divine Liturgy. 🙂
… I loved all the singing and incense and it was a remarkably simple yet profound liturgy…
Even though we have the same prayers, by and large, each Liturgy the density of the what the language seeks to convey is always unveiling another layer. I never grow tired of listening to the various CDs I have of Byzantine liturgical music. Our prayers are so beautiful. When the amount of incense sets off the smoke detectors in my church our priest says it’s the mark of a “successful liturgy”. 👍
Another thing I loved was that right before communion there is a prayer recited by the people that puts emphasis on the real presence and how we should be spiritually ready to receive:
I also very much love the prayers before communion. Our wording is a slightly different translation.
I’m very culturally attached to the Roman-rite but I must say that there was a more Catholic feeling at this DL than what I have experienced in the mainly modernist parishes of Orlando… very few of them have that very Catholic “feeling” that as a Hispanic I grew up with. I loved every second of it, it was a great spiritual experience and I will definitely go again. 😃
I had a wonderful class in the local Latin Church Diocese this past spring on the Holy Mysteries which was taught by Fr Anthony Hernandez, a Byzantine priest in the SF area who comes from a Mexican family. 🙂 He was an excellent teacher!

I’m glad you had such a great experience. I’m sure they’ll be very happy to see you again.
 
I had a similar experience today. I went to another town to go to a Melkite church, to see Divine Liturgy. And wow, it amazed me. The amount of reverence shown towards the Gospels and the Eucharist puts my parish to shame with our Novus Ordo Mass. While I’ll always be tied to the Latin Rite (gotta love the TLM), my respect for the Eastern Rites has definitely increased. I find it a shame that more people don’t know about how beautiful the Divine Liturgy can be. Now that I’ve seen it, I intend to visit a Maronite Church in 2 weeks.
 
I had a similar experience today. I went to another town to go to a Melkite church, to see Divine Liturgy. And wow, it amazed me. The amount of reverence shown towards the Gospels and the Eucharist puts my parish to shame with our Novus Ordo Mass. While I’ll always be tied to the Latin Rite (gotta love the TLM), my respect for the Eastern Rites has definitely increased. I find it a shame that more people don’t know about how beautiful the Divine Liturgy can be. Now that I’ve seen it, I intend to visit a Maronite Church in 2 weeks.

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Thank you for responding to the call to the priesthood. 🙂 Our Father Deacon was ordained to the priesthood on Friday and celebrated his first Divine Liturgy for us this morning. 👍

You’re close to Saint Basil’s. Hopefully you can get over there sometime also.
 
Thank you for responding to the call to the priesthood. 🙂 Our Father Deacon was ordained to the priesthood on Friday and celebrated his first Divine Liturgy for us this morning. 👍

You’re close to Saint Basil’s. Hopefully you can get over there sometime also.
Hmmm, maybe I’ll visit sometimes. While I’m currently applying to Our Lady of Providence Seminary, I do love the traditions of the Eastern Rites, so hopefully I’ll be able to visit to get a look at how it’s done there.
 
Hmmm, maybe I’ll visit sometimes. While I’m currently applying to Our Lady of Providence Seminary, I do love the traditions of the Eastern Rites, so hopefully I’ll be able to visit to get a look at how it’s done there.
Apparently you’re in SE Mass where there are several Maronite chuches: Worcester, Fall River, New Bedford, Brockton, and Providence (Pawtucket, actually). What you’ll see will be familiar, but not because of any similarity to what you’ve experienced at Byzantine DL. It will be familiar in a rather Novus Ordo sort of way. 😦 You’ll see what I mean. I seem to think New Bedford would be the best bet (meaning that its Novus Ordo-isms are somewhat less obtrusive than might be seen elsewhere), but I really don’t know.
 
Apparently you’re in SE Mass where there are several Maronite chuches: Worcester, Fall River, New Bedford, Brockton, and Providence (Pawtucket, actually). What you’ll see will be familiar, but not because of any similarity to what you’ve experienced at Byzantine DL. It will be familiar in a rather Novus Ordo sort of way. 😦 You’ll see what I mean. I seem to think New Bedford would be the best bet (meaning that its Novus Ordo-isms are somewhat less obtrusive than might be seen elsewhere), but I really don’t know.
Ahhh, the novus-ordo-isms is a tad sad. Still, it Eastern Rite churches tend to be a bit better with this. One of the parishes in my town (I go to the other one) has the tabernacle hidden away in some dark corner of the church, where you maybe have enough room for 2 people to kneel (the rest of the space is filled with chairs that are too close together for any kneeling). If I didn’t know any better I’d say they were ashamed of their tabernacle. I somehow doubt that the Maronite churches are that bad (at least I hope they aren’t), so I think I’ll be able to endure any novus-ordo-type stuff.

And as far as my location in Massachusetts goes, I’m pretty close to Boston, so I can definitely check some of these churches out. The Melkite church that I saw was in West Roxbury, and I think that the Maronite church that I intend on visiting soon is somewhere nearby.
 
Ahhh, the novus-ordo-isms is a tad sad. Still, it Eastern Rite churches tend to be a bit better with this.
It depends on the Particular Church and the particular church. One can, e.g., often hear the latest in Novus Ordo “hymnody” in English in Maronite churches in the US. In Arabic, one can often hear the Lebanese equivalent. Other examples abound, but it might be better to experience it first.
I somehow doubt that the Maronite churches are that bad (at least I hope they aren’t), so I think I’ll be able to endure any novus-ordo-type stuff.
Again, it depends. I know of one parish in New England where the pastor was hell-bent on wreckovating the church (I think the building dates from the 1930s) to create an “in the round” experience. :rolleyes: The bishop, though, (and to his great credit), was less than receptive to the idea. And then, of course, there’s the matter of versus populum, which you undoubtedly will encounter. 😦
And as far as my location in Massachusetts goes, I’m pretty close to Boston, so I can definitely check some of these churches out. The Melkite church that I saw was in West Roxbury, and I think that the Maronite church that I intend on visiting soon is somewhere nearby.
The Boston parish is actually in Jamaica Plain. The long-time pastor retired very recently and I’m not familiar with his successor. There’s also a large parish in Lawrence. The pastor there is a good man who knows more than a little about what should be done. How that translates to liturgical practice, though, I can’t say. As I recall, the distance between Lawrence and Methuen (where S Basil’s is located) is rather short, so it might be possible to visit both on the same excursion.
 
It depends on the Particular Church and the particular church. One can, e.g., often hear the latest in Novus Ordo “hymnody” in English in Maronite churches in the US. In Arabic, one can often hear the Lebanese equivalent. Other examples abound, but it might be better to experience it first.

Again, it depends. I know of one parish in New England where the pastor was hell-bent on wreckovating the church (I think the building dates from the 1930s) to create an “in the round” experience. :rolleyes: The bishop, though, (and to his great credit), was less than receptive to the idea. And then, of course, there’s the matter of versus populum, which you undoubtedly will encounter. 😦

The Boston parish is actually in Jamaica Plain. The long-time pastor retired very recently and I’m not familiar with his successor. There’s also a large parish in Lawrence. The pastor there is a good man who knows more than a little about what should be done. How that translates to liturgical practice, though, I can’t say. As I recall, the distance between Lawrence and Methuen (where S Basil’s is located) is rather short, so it might be possible to visit both on the same excursion.
All duly noted. I guess that I’ll check out either the Lawrence or Jaimaca Plain parish. I guess it might be hard to find somebody who does these liturgical practices correctly, but at least I can get some sort of sense of the Divine Liturgy. And as long as they don’t play the hymn One Bread One Body that is so popular in Novus Ordo masses then I will be at peace. That hymn annoys me to no end.
 
Alex: the older blue and red books were easier still to follow, but don’t have notated music… I’m curious to know if (1) you read music, and if so (2) was it followed?

Choy: just do it. Go.
 
Alex: the older blue and red books were easier still to follow, but don’t have notated music… I’m curious to know if (1) you read music, and if so (2) was it followed?

Choy: just do it. Go.
I’m not great at reading music but I know enough to follow. The parish is very small ( a hundred families or so according to the pastor) and the DL I went to (at 1030) was attended by like fifty people or less so they didn’t have a choir per se, they had about two or three regulars plus the cantor for everyone else to follow and it wasn’t that bad. Probably not as “splendorous” as what the chanting may be at larger Byzantine parishes though, that’s for sure, but it was very sacred and meaningful. Certainly preferred it to some of my parish’s (which has an excellent choir) more “professional” renditions of not-so great 70’s liturgical oldies.
 
i will! but i just have to schedule it as my wife sings in the 9am choir, the DL in the Cathedral is 8 and 10am. and someone has to be home to watch the baby
 
The parish is very small ( a hundred families or so according to the pastor) and the DL I went to (at 1030) was attended by like** fifty people or less** so they didn’t have a choir per se, they had about two or three regulars plus the cantor for everyone else to follow and it wasn’t that bad.
LOL! Everything is relative. 🙂 On any given Sunday, excluding something very unusual, we likely have two priests, one or two deacons (and we have just lost our second deacon who was ordained to the priesthood on Friday and is moving away to his new assignment), about half the time they have an altar server, occasionally two of them, six folks in the choir plus the choir director, and 8 or 10 of us “in the pews” (except we have no pews 👍). It’s fairly typical for us to have also several visitors. For Pre-sanctified Liturgies in Great Lent we might have 3 choir members, one or two priests, a deacon and two or three “in the pews”.
 
All duly noted. I guess that I’ll check out either the Lawrence or Jaimaca Plain parish. I guess it might be hard to find somebody who does these liturgical practices correctly, but at least I can get some sort of sense of the Divine Liturgy. And as long as they don’t play the hymn One Bread One Body that is so popular in Novus Ordo masses then I will be at peace. That hymn annoys me to no end.
If and when you do go, please post your impression. I, for one, would be interested to hear them. 🙂
 
I loved the Byzantine Divine Liturgy also, having attended the first one in Denver over a year ago. I loved the prayers to the Trinity, the careful preparation before Holy Communion, the faith in the Divine Presence, the ornate beauty of the small church. I was deeply touched, and thought of that Mass for weeks afterword. Why did that Mass affect me so much more deeply than the Masses I attend daily? Our Lord was present at both, right? So it must be me. Is it just that since it was new to me I was more present to the Lord at the Byzantine rite? Maybe because in normal Masses my mind wanders?
 
don’t play the hymn One Bread One Body that is so popular in Novus Ordo masses then I will be at peace. That hymn annoys me to no end.
Whats so wrong with that song? it is Theologically sound.👍
 
Hi everyone, just wanted to share my thoughts on my first Byzantine-rite divine liturgy…Accept me as a partaker of Your mystical supper, O Son of God, for I will not reveal Your mystery to Your enemies
Sounds like you had a great experience. I’m planning on attending a Byzantine liturgy in my area soon. I almost can’t stand it at my regular parish anymore(the bluegrass Mass was hard to take, banjos and all) One Sunday I walked out and drove over to an approved
Latin Mass. The problem was that this was just as frustrating! Although I’ve studied Latin,
I couldn’t keep up w/ everything. The priest seemed to be showing off how fast he could pronounce everything, and the parishioners were doing the same! It sounded like a recording on fast-forward. Not at all like the Latin that I’ve heard on tv. This parish has made a new world record in speed-Latin.
So I’m looking forward to the Divine Liturgy.
By the way, the words in the prayer you mentioned: “I will not reveal Your mystery to your
enemies”…I remember hearing this before at my relatives’ Byzantine Church. It reminds me of Christ’s statement about “pearls before swine”.
Maybe we in the Roman Catholic Church should not “advertise” certain sacred realities so much…perhaps this is why they are so often made fun of and why there are so many sacriliges.
 
Sounds like you had a great experience. I’m planning on attending a Byzantine liturgy in my area soon. I almost can’t stand it at my regular parish anymore(the bluegrass Mass was hard to take, banjos and all) One Sunday I walked out and drove over to an approved
Latin Mass. The problem was that this was just as frustrating! Although I’ve studied Latin,
I couldn’t keep up w/ everything. The priest seemed to be showing off how fast he could pronounce everything, and the parishioners were doing the same! It sounded like a recording on fast-forward. Not at all like the Latin that I’ve heard on tv. This parish has made a new world record in speed-Latin.
So I’m looking forward to the Divine Liturgy.
By the way, the words in the prayer you mentioned: “I will not reveal Your mystery to your
enemies”…I remember hearing this before at my relatives’ Byzantine Church. It reminds me of Christ’s statement about “pearls before swine”.
Maybe we in the Roman Catholic Church should not “advertise” certain sacred realities so much…perhaps this is why they are so often made fun of and why there are so many sacriliges.
Go! And then tell us about it! All parishes are obviously different so all we can do is pray that we feel God’s grace at whatever Mass we go to. I felt just like you, frustrated with mediocre masses. I’m privileged to have a pretty good parish but it’s been going thru some renovations and I’ve visited three different parishes this month. I was appalled. I never had gone thru what so many posters here complain about when talking about “folksy” masses and lazy liturgies. After visiting other parishes I understood their feelings better. I’ve been lucky at my parish (the Cathedral) but not many other parishes around me are as liturgically sound. I have also attended mass in Latin and I can certainly understand why some reforms were needed, however some things went too far. What I liked about the Byzantine Rite is that it keeps tradition and yet makes it accessible to all. TLM can be a bit tedious, and no matter what others may say I feel that the faithful should never be on “stand by” while the choir and the servers run everything. I personally pray for a renewed Roman Rite that keeps tradition as intended by the council (more Latin and ad orientem plus other things) yet simplifies the rite without defacing it. As far as the prayer before communion, the words " “I will not reveal Your mystery to your
enemies” probably alludes to the early church practice of not revealing the Eucharistic mysteries to outsiders due to misunderstandings that led to myths and rumors about Christians. As you may recall the traditional Roman Rite was divided between the Mass of the Catechumens (today’s liturgy of the Word) and the Mass of the Faithful (today’s liturgy of the Eucharist) for the same reason, to dully prepare catechumens to understand what the Eucharist really means. The Byzantine Rite keeps true to the meaning of “liturgy” because it keeps you working (singing from start to finish, crossing yourself, bowing,standing, etc) ! Thats the best part, your focus is always on Christ and the sacrifice of the Altar 🙂
 
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