My first liturgical Dance Experience

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Ani_Ibi said:
A Charismatic Mass can be very very quiet and go for hours. It is sheer bliss. Oh there is the speaking in tongues and singing in tongues and words of Knowledge and the usual things, but there comes a time when beautiful deep silence falls on everyone.
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Sounds like something I’d really be interested in! Are Charismatic Masses advertised, or do I just start calling parishes? I live in the Tacoma, Washington area, and haven’t found anything yet.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
I’ve seen Liturgical dance. It didn’t bother me. The rest of the church bothered me. The priest actually did a litany which drew row after row of scowls and later, at a cafe, bellowed protests which ended on a “next thing is he’ll be asking us to say the Hail Mary.”
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Huh???
 
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tomch:
One thing I don’t understand about this liturgical dance… maybe you can help me. If it’s not allowed, then why is it happening?
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tom, a lot of things are happening in the Church which maybe shouldn’t be happening. We are a Church of sinners.
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tomch:
Thank you also for your comments about the Mass also being a celebration of the Resurection. I see so many “sides” to the Mass that I must admit to being a little bit confused. I’ll stay tuned and maybe I’ll get things sorted out soon! 🙂
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tom, don’t try to understand everything about the Mass at one time. Try to just enjoy the Mass. You will also find that praying prayers that have already been written and said all over the world for 2000 years will relax your mind. Then you will understand things through the Mass.
 
tomch said:
Sounds like something I’d really be interested in! Are Charismatic Masses advertised, or do I just start calling parishes? I live in the Tacoma, Washington area, and haven’t found anything yet.
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Call parishes. Sometimes there is a central Catholic information centre. Sometimes you can get a list of charismatic prayer groups and healing Masses faxed to you. God bless! Try retreats too. They clear the head well.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
No, that was a “huh?” because I didn’t understand what you said, from the way you worded it.
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I said that folks at the church where I saw the litdance, bellowed their displeasure over the litany and over the Hail Mary. They seemed disproportionately enraged at these two prayers. Twilight zone stuff.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
I said that folks at the church where I saw the litdance, bellowed their displeasure over the litany and over the Hail Mary. They seemed disproportionately enraged at these two prayers. Twilight zone stuff.
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interesting…
 
The reason that the Catholic Mass is different is because we are in the new covenant, so our worship is different than the Jews\some non-catholics and focuses on God’s Grace and the work He did for us.

The central part of Catholic worship is focusing on the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross which is the only real work that is worthy of God. All our own actions are only good if they are united in His Grace, our Faith and His saving Sacrifice on the Cross.

Now since the Mass is focused on the one Sacrifice at Calvary, which is shown by the Crucifix, the steps which help symbolize the hill, Calvary and the Altar of Sacrifice on which the Priest offers the Body and Blood of Christ to God.

This is such an important moment in history to individualize it to focus on a person turning the Sacrifice of Jesus into a show. It also takes away from the united worship into an individual person doing their own thing at Mass, which is wrong as Jesus is the center. The priest stands in the person of Christ and should be part of the central focus.

Now after Mass it is ok to dance, sing a solo, play a solo on the keyboard, make a speech, do individual type things but we go to Mass for the Sacrifice of Jesus. That is why Catholic Mass is so different and without explanation or with a deviation from the One Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.

We can do processions with dancing before Mass and in my parish have done that legitimately during the procession of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Dancing before the Ark of the Covenant like David.

In Christ
Scylla

Unfortunately many Catholics are not taught the meaning the the Holy Mass and it turns into a show instead of worship, something you seek entertainment from, rather than uniting your heart and mind in offering up Christ to the Father.
 
deluca1976 said:
If you were walking in a shopping mall and Jesus appeared before you, would your first inclination be to suddenly form a human chain and have everyone hold hands in a circle around Him?
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Actually, I like this analogy, not because of the point you’re trying to make, but really because it reiterates my point (that I like holding hands during the Our Father).

If I were to see Jesus at a mall, YES!, I would love to hold the hands of my neighbors and form a circle around him. Worship him together. I think it would be a beautiful thing, and give glory to Him.
 
I have been blessed! Never had dancing during Mass, unless one counts the antics of my former pastor.
However, I have on a couple of occasions witnessed an outdoor “Vespers Dance” and the Blessed Sacrament was safely inside the church. Can´t say that I liked this sort of demonstration 😦 .
 
Stephen_Korsman said:
At our cathedral, there are three priests. One omits the creed at every Mass. This Saturday communion was via the “take and dip” method - the priest (not the creedless one) gave us the Host, said “The Body and Blood of Christ” and then most people marched up to the altar, where the chalice stood, dipped it into the Blood themselves and then consumed it. :eek:
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For the love of God (and I mean that as literally as can be meant) write to your (Arch)Bishop immediately about this. Or the US Cardinals. Or Francis Cardinal Arinze. Please. Self-intinction is a grave abuse.

“The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand. As for the host to be used for the intinction, it should be made of valid matter, also consecrated; it is altogether forbidden to use non-consecrated bread or other matter.” (Redemptionis Sacramentum, 104)

“Although the gravity of a matter is to be judged in accordance with the common teaching of the Church and the norms established by her, objectively to be considered among grave matters is anything that puts at risk the validity and dignity of the Most Holy Eucharist: namely, anything that contravenes what is set out above in nn. 48-52, 56, 76-77, 79, 91-92, 94, 96, 101-102, 104, 106, 109, 111, 115, 117, 126, 131-133, 138, 153 and 168. Moreover, attention should be given to the other prescriptions of the Code of Canon Law, and especially what is laid down by canons 1364, 1369, 1373, 1376, 1380, 1384, 1385, 1386, and 1398.” (Ibid., 173)

“The chalice may never be left on the altar or another place to be picked up by the communicant for self-communication (except in the case of concelebrating bishops or priests), nor may the chalice be passed from one communicant to another. There shall always be a minister of the chalice.” (Norms for Holy Communion Under Both Kinds, 44)
 
I know how you feel. I attended a mass on Mother Cabrini’s Feast day some time ago in Chicago. During the procession into the church a woman came up the isle with a bowl of incese buring and waving it in all different directions. She waved it over the altar and moved it in an up and downward movement before the crucifix. It was just downright pagonistic! Never went to that church again after that!
 
japhy said:
For the love of God (and I mean that as literally as can be meant) write to your (Arch)Bishop immediately about this. Or the US Cardinals. Or Francis Cardinal Arinze. Please. Self-intinction is a grave abuse.

“The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand. As for the host to be used for the intinction, it should be made of valid matter, also consecrated; it is altogether forbidden to use non-consecrated bread or other matter.” (Redemptionis Sacramentum, 104)

“Although the gravity of a matter is to be judged in accordance with the common teaching of the Church and the norms established by her, objectively to be considered among grave matters is anything that puts at risk the validity and dignity of the Most Holy Eucharist: namely, anything that contravenes what is set out above in nn. 48-52, 56, 76-77, 79, 91-92, 94, 96, 101-102, 104, 106, 109, 111, 115, 117, 126, 131-133, 138, 153 and 168. Moreover, attention should be given to the other prescriptions of the Code of Canon Law, and especially what is laid down by canons 1364, 1369, 1373, 1376, 1380, 1384, 1385, 1386, and 1398.” (Ibid., 173)

“The chalice may never be left on the altar or another place to be picked up by the communicant for self-communication (except in the case of concelebrating bishops or priests), nor may the chalice be passed from one communicant to another. There shall always be a minister of the chalice.” (Norms for Holy Communion Under Both Kinds, 44)
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Thanks for those references … it makes the job much easier. Intiction is common here in many places; the only time I’ve seen it done properly was at a Maronite church. I’m not sure how our regulations compare to the US ones - I’m sure they’re the same, but I can’t quote the wording because I don’t have them (I’m in South Africa). The first two are directly applicable. I don’t want to cause offense locally … I’ll run it by a good priest back home who’ll know best who to take it to.
 
Stephen_Korsman said:
Thanks for those references … it makes the job much easier. Intiction is common here in many places; the only time I’ve seen it done properly was at a Maronite church. I’m not sure how our regulations compare to the US ones - I’m sure they’re the same, but I can’t quote the wording because I don’t have them (I’m in South Africa). The first two are directly applicable. I don’t want to cause offense locally … I’ll run it by a good priest back home who’ll know best who to take it to.
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Sorry for my USA-centric quote, then. I can’t find documents of the same type on the South Africa Conference of Catholic Bishops’ web site, but even the first two quotes I gave should suffice.
 
The correct response to Liturgical Dance is to get up and join them, doing all your best ‘boogie’ moves. 👍

After all, this is all about “Full and Active Participation”. The ‘just sit back at watch a performace’ stuff went out with Vatican II.

They can’t disagree with that, can they :cool:
 
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