My First N.O Experience

[Windmill]

Furthermore in addition to the Roman Canon, all the other Eucharistic Prayers also refer to the sacrifice of the Mass. However I understand your thoughts. Far too often, the Mass is referred to ONLY as a “Celebration”, which it also truly is. But it is only a celebration in so far as the sacrifice of Christ on the cross is the focus of our prayer, the celebration of our redemption in His most Holy Blood. In the OF, I hear the word “celebration” a lot more than any mention of the sacrifice. this is one of my biggest pet peeves!!

Celebrate, or in Latin, celebrare, literally means, “to come together.” Only in modern times has the definition been narrowed to mean “for a joyous purpose.” However, as Fr. Peter Stravinskas is oft to say, “Joy does not mean hilarity or tomfoolery.” Despite the modern connotation of the word, the language of the Church is consistent. One could equally say that a solemn Requiem Mass was a celebration, in that the mourners gathered together.

 

[Canto]

I’ve been to a few Tridentine Mass’ here in Sydney. If you look you’ll find them all over the city and legit Vatican ones. I’ve found them to be wonderul esp. the chant! At the glorious St Mary’s Cathedral they do a solem English NO with chant and it is stunning.

Knowing what the NO text really says and not what ICEL translated it as (for various reasons I won’t got into - new translation on the way - google and find leak online) I find it a most beautiful prayer.

I like the way the word easily and profoundly enter the soul and every one at their own speed without shouting from the rooftops reveranlty responds to the revelant parts.

I love that there are more readings, esp Old Testament, from the bible too.

At the TM while I kind of know the text, the words don’t sit it my heart as much as they do when I hear them in English at each NO Mass. I supose not being fluent in Latin the English is more recognisable and current then looking at a trans of the Latin.

Also with the TM sometimes the Priest seems to say the words as if he were Road Runner (meep meep!). Maybe that’s just the way Latin is, or these particular Priests just happen to be fast talkers.

I know I’ve made some criticims of the TM but truly it is so wonderously beautiful and hey if I hear Here I am Lord one more time…

It would be nice if their was plainchant, silence before Mass (which the Vatican calls for), and the Kyrie in Greek, and Sanctus and Agnus Dei in Latin but maybe in time. But some of this is subjective.

In OZ we kneal from the Sanctus to the Our Father and then from the Agnus Dei until the Concluding Right. Many Churches have kneelers, some with cushioning conected to each pew.

Stick with the NO and hopefuly you will find it nourishing. The re-translation of the text and missal should 2009 I think or late 2008 at the earliest.

Behold the Lamb of God,
behold him who takes away the sins of the world.
Blessed are those called to the banquet of the Lamb.
Lord, I am not worthy
that you should enter under my roof,
but only say the word
and my soul shall be healed.

May the Body of Christ
keep me safe unto eternal life.

To you, most merciful Father,
we therefore humbly pray
through Jesus Christ, your Son, our Lord.
We ask you to accept and bless these gifts,
these offerings,
these holy and undefiled sacrifices,

In the same way, when supper was ended,
he took this precious chalice
into his holy and venerable hands,

 

[Sword_Brethren]

Celebrate, or in Latin, celebrare, literally means, “to come together.” Only in modern times has the definition been narrowed to mean “for a joyous purpose.” However, as Fr. Peter Stravinskas is oft to say, “Joy does not mean hilarity or tomfoolery.” Despite the modern connotation of the word, the language of the Church is consistent. One could equally say that a solemn Requiem Mass was a celebration, in that the mourners gathered together.

Are you sure that is what it means? I found this, Etymology: Middle English, from Latin celebratus, past participle of celebrare to frequent, celebrate, from celebr-, celeber much frequented, famous; perhaps akin to Latin celer
Date: 15th century
But, I found this on blog.allwords.com,
Etymology–The term celebrate comes from the Latin celebratus, a form of celebrare, meaning to attend in great numbers. It also has associations of thronged, frequented or well known. French, Italian and Spanish show similar Latin roots. and then there is this from, yourdictionary.com, Etymology: ME celebraten < L celebratus, pp. of celebrare, to frequent, go in great numbers, honor < celeber, frequented, populous; akin to celer, swift: see hold. Before modern times to celebrate the Mass did not mean “for a joyous purpose.” That is some good information. I had never heard of that before, thanks.