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There are many sub forums here and I wasn’t exactly sure where to put what I am thinking and feeling. I thought about going to church today…I haven’t been to church since I was kicked out at 5years old…( I was kicked out because I couldn’t read english and I had to sit 4 hours in the rain for my parents to pick me up ) For most of my life I tell people that I am agnostic… My father was Catholic, my mother Christian. Anyways…I am not really sure why I am here instead of being in a church…I feel so…Angry, so alone.

I was told that I could never have children ( I am 23 years old ) I also have serious kidney problems. 2 months ago I thought I was pregnant, so i took 2 tests they both came back negative. Friday night I found out that I am in the middle of a miscarriage. I was approximately 2- 2 1/2 months pregnant.

I don’t understand…They say that God doesnt give you more than what you can handle…But why do I have to be his test subject? I’ve been beating, raped, starved, bruised, scarred and shattered, and each time I have tried to stand back up with a smile on my face. A child is the ONE thing I really wanted in this life…Why give it to me and take it back? What have I done so wrong to keep getting slaps in the face?

My heart is black…And I don’t think I can recover from this one. Congratulations God…you win. I’m finally broken.
 
There are many sub forums here and I wasn’t exactly sure where to put what I am thinking and feeling. I thought about going to church today…I haven’t been to church since I was kicked out at 5years old…( I was kicked out because I couldn’t read english and I had to sit 4 hours in the rain for my parents to pick me up ) For most of my life I tell people that I am agnostic… My father was Catholic, my mother Christian. Anyways…I am not really sure why I am here instead of being in a church…I feel so…Angry, so alone.

I was told that I could never have children ( I am 23 years old ) I also have serious kidney problems. 2 months ago I thought I was pregnant, so i took 2 tests they both came back negative. Friday night I found out that I am in the middle of a miscarriage. I was approximately 2- 2 1/2 months pregnant.

I don’t understand…They say that God doesnt give you more than what you can handle…But why do I have to be his test subject? I’ve been beating, raped, starved, bruised, scarred and shattered, and each time I have tried to stand back up with a smile on my face. A child is the ONE thing I really wanted in this life…Why give it to me and take it back? What have I done so wrong to keep getting slaps in the face?

My heart is black…And I don’t think I can recover from this one. Congratulations God…you win. I’m finally broken.
I cannot understand why you would be kicked out from Church. It’s unfathomable to me. As for your suffering, I am truly sorry. Please don’t turn away from God. He does truly love us regardless of the things that we face in life.

I will be praying for you. Please do not give up. All of us on CAF are here for you.
 
Why should I keep looking to GOD for strength when he has turned his back on me?
 
Why should I keep looking to GOD for strength when he has turned his back on me?
Our Lord has never turned his back on us regardless of what things may seem. Please don’t turn away. I am here to listen if you need me.
 
Why should I keep looking to GOD for strength when he has turned his back on me?
God has not turned his back on you. You are blaming God for everything negative that has happened in your life. God does not visit misery upon His children! God is also not Santa Claus. He is not going to give us whatever we ask of Him. He cannot do that! Do you believe that this is Heaven and you should get what you wish for?

Are you married? Is your husband a Catholic?

You can go to Mass, but if you are to receive the Holy Eucharist, you must do an examination of conscience and go to confession first. Do that. It will strengthen you for the grief of your miscarriage.

:console:

You need God more than ever now, do not close your heart to Him. Pray, and trust Him. He will comfort you in your sorrow.
 
Weird though this sounds, God suffers with us. God feels, understands and bears your pain too. And God knows what it is like to lose a child.

And God feels the pain of your anger against Him too.

If you can surrender yourself to the love of God.
 
Weird though this sounds, God suffers with us. God feels, understands and bears your pain too. And God knows what it is like to lose a child.

And God feels the pain of your anger against Him too.

If you can surrender yourself to the love of God.
I agree. God actually knows suffering through us. He knew it through His Son Jesus, and He knows it through us. He gave human beings feelings and emotions, so that He can experience Himself THROUGH us.

I can’t tell you about your suffering. I myself have had a great deal of mental anguish and verbal abuse, but not the physical abuse like you are describing. In fact, I started a forum for people who have mental illnesses and have been horribly abused in some cases and had caused them serious mental dissociative disorders such as multiple personality disorder.

God did not throw you out or turn His back on you, but people’s wrong ideas about God have led you to this conclusion. But you are like a snowflake and are unique in your story, including your suffering. So God gets to witness every flavor of rejoicing and suffering through His children.

The Good News is that there is more to God than just a bunch of rules and judgments and empty promises. It’s hard to see that because the images people have of God (and yes we all have images of God or we could simply not ponder Him at all) actually make him act like a human would act, and it makes no sense at all.

That said, your deep, dark suffering is often the prelude for a huge mystical victory for God, and He would be pleased to see it in you. I know I would, and God is better than I am. The deeper you go, the better it is on the day you are awakened to your new “consciousness” which is the [or “your”] kingdom whereby everything starts to make sense including the past. You will begin to see that God has prepared you for great things.

Rom 5:1-5
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace* with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access [by faith] to this grace in which we stand, and we boast in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we even boast of our afflictions, knowing that affliction produces endurance, and endurance, proven character, and proven character, hope, and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts through the holy Spirit that has been given to us.

Rom 8
15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received a spirit of adoption, through which we cry, “Abba, Father!”
16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,l
17 and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him.

18 I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed for us.
19 For creation awaits with eager expectation the revelation of the children of God;
20 for creation was made subject to futility, not of its own accord but because of the one who subjected it, in hope
21 that creation itself would be set free from slavery to corruption and share in the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22 We know that all creation is groaning in labor pains even until now;
23 and not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, we also groan within ourselves as we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies.
24 For in hope we were saved. Now hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance.

2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and God of all encouragement,
4*** who encourages us in our every affliction, so that we may be able to encourage those who are in any affliction with the encouragement with which we ourselves are encouraged by God.
5 For as Christ’s sufferings overflow to us, so through Christ does our encouragement also overflow.
6 If we are afflicted, it is for your encouragement and salvation; if we are encouraged, it is for your encouragement, which enables you to endure the same sufferings that we suffer.
7 Our hope for you is firm, for we know that as you share in the sufferings, you also share in the encouragement.***

Phil 3:7-11
7 [But] whatever gains I had, these I have come to consider a loss because of Christ.
8 More than that, I even consider everything as a loss because of the supreme good of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have accepted the loss of all things and I consider them so much rubbish, that I may gain Christ
9 and be found in him, not having any righteousness of my own based on the law but that which comes through faith in Christ,h the righteousness from God, depending on faith
10 to know him and the power of his resurrection and [the] sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death,
11 if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Based on the verse 10, “to know him and the power of his resurrection and [the] sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death” I got the idea of a movie to offer…

Have you ever seen the movie “The Pasion of the Christ” by Mel Gibson? It starts with the agony (and temptations) in the garden, and depicts rather graphically all the cruelty Jesus endured and how He reacted to it. It’s all over YouTube, Here’s one of the Part 1’s.

Alan
 
It sounds like you need some professional counseling if you have been beaten and raped. It is not a sign of weakness to get help from others, and internalizing the pain will only make things worse. I know because my wife has been through these things. Remember that God does love you. He has not chosen you for punishment. Do not mistake the evil of men for the hand of God. Turn to him not to ask why did these things happen but for strength and understanding of what he wants you to do. I suggest meeting with a priest as well.
 
There are many sub forums here and I wasn’t exactly sure where to put what I am thinking and feeling. I thought about going to church today…I haven’t been to church since I was kicked out at 5years old…( I was kicked out because I couldn’t read english and I had to sit 4 hours in the rain for my parents to pick me up ) For most of my life I tell people that I am agnostic… My father was Catholic, my mother Christian. Anyways…I am not really sure why I am here instead of being in a church…I feel so…Angry, so alone.

I was told that I could never have children ( I am 23 years old ) I also have serious kidney problems. 2 months ago I thought I was pregnant, so i took 2 tests they both came back negative. Friday night I found out that I am in the middle of a miscarriage. I was approximately 2- 2 1/2 months pregnant.

I don’t understand…They say that God doesnt give you more than what you can handle…But why do I have to be his test subject? I’ve been beating, raped, starved, bruised, scarred and shattered, and each time I have tried to stand back up with a smile on my face. A child is the ONE thing I really wanted in this life…Why give it to me and take it back? What have I done so wrong to keep getting slaps in the face?

My heart is black…And I don’t think I can recover from this one. Congratulations God…you win. I’m finally broken.
The more the suffering, the greater the good that will come from it. Best example, the Passion and death of Jesus. Through it we now can live in eternal bliss. I’m sorry for your suffering, and I don’t know the reason for it. But, hang on. God is your lifeline. No matter the agony, or length of time you are enduring the trial, try hard to hang on. Just say, “Jesus, I trust in You.” It will all be worth the effort. God bless you. You are in my prayers.
 
Amen. That is our hope that God can bring good out of suffering.

Somehow. God bless.
 
I am sorry you have gone through so much grief and misery, but there is no way i could feel even minutely as much compassion and love as God does for you, He knows you and loves you more than anyone ever could, and He is not the source of your misery, the source of all our misery comes, not from the pains and sufferings themselves, but not knowing how to receive them,
the saints knew how, and their pains and sufferings were a source of joy for them, although by no means easy and pleasant to endure, but that’s the whole point…and perhaps the saint you should read about in your circumstance is Saint Lydwine - tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/65 at first her pain was a source of misery for her, and for quite a long time, but she did learn how to offer up her sufferings and turn them into good, and likewise into a source of joy.
although any saint you read about will give you an example of how to suffer well, since no saint went without suffering, but there are some in particular, like Saint Lydwine, who’s life was much more an example of suffering than others.

but perhaps it will help you in deciding if you think of it this way - you will either suffer alone and suffer more, because we all suffer in this life no matter who we are…or you can turn to Jesus, lean on Him, ask for His help in accepting you crosses, and in doing so all your crosses will become lighter, because then you will not be carrying them alone, or being crushed by them,
and by accepting your crosses and offering them up and uniting them with the cross of Christ, they will become your joys in life, and your reward in heaven…nothing brings greater joy in life than love, and true love is selfless, so it is the moment you decide that you will live not for yourself, but for Jesus, that you will truly begin to have peace and joy…it is only when we think of ourselves and feel sorry for ourselves that we are miserable, it is when we think we deserve more than we have, or that we don’t deserve the sufferings we get, that we become angry with God…but who suffered more than Him? who has been slapped in the face more, or spit on more? and yet He is always ready to forgive…not because we deserve forgiveness, because we by no means do, but instead it is only because He loves us…which is a mystery in itself, a question we will ask for all eternity…“Why do you love me??”

you have tried everything else, and have only been disappointed, so why not try this?
but the key is, don’t do it for yourself, but for God…which may take a bit of time, because you need to learn to love God, in which case you must be patient…
you are seeking peace, and i am telling you, the only way to peace is through Jesus,
and the more you think of the sufferings and injustices of Christ, the less you will think of your own, ‘Why must we suffer? Because here below pure Love cannot exist without suffering. O Jesus, Jesus, I no longer feel my cross when I think of yours.’ - St. Bernadette Soubirous

i know these things are not easy to hear, and even harder to put into practice, but what are your other options? seek temporary relief from your pains? or just continue in them?..but with God you will find a permanent cure, not just a distraction or a temporary (false) peace, but a true healing of heart, who else knows the heart better than God Who created it? can you think of anyone else who could heal your heart and soul?
you can suffer without love, but you can never love without suffering, remember that,
it’s difficult to want to follow Jesus when you feel like He is going to take everything away from you, but in that case, think of this beautiful poem by Frances Thompson “What I took from thee, I took not for thy harm, but only that you would seek it in My arms.”
this is how Jesus calls us to Him, in times of great suffering and persecution, there are abundantly more conversions than in times of worldly peace.

i know it may feel like God has abandoned you and picked you out of many others to suffer more, but that is not so, and proof that God has not abandoned you is that you have been led here, even though you may not feel like it, you have turned to God for help by coming here, even if it was only to complain, but why complain to Catholics? it is because you know, even if only deep in your heart, that Christ is the right way.

another good word of advice to you, don’t make your decisions based on the bad examples of Catholics in the church, but instead look to the good examples, such as Christ and the saints, they will show you how to be good and how to have peace and joy…and in that case i would recommend checking out these few sites, which will further enlighten you in Christs teachings and in how to find the peace you are looking for -
audiosancto.org/
keepthefaith.org/
youtube.com/user/CatholicClips#g/p
store.saintbenedict.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=12&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1
www.tanbooks.com
gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewforum.php?f=211197

and in particular, read this book, free online - archive.org/stream/inheavenweknowou00blotuoft#page/n3/mode/2up
it is specifically directed towards those who suffer, it is not so much a book of instruction, but a book of consolations, and i hope if nothing else in this post helps you, that at least this will.

alright, i will keep you in my prayers, take care.
 
Allow me to start off by saying this, you don’t give yourself enough credit. You are stronger, wiser, and more beautiful than you think you are. You are bold for coming on here to express that anger and sadness you have been harboring. I am not going to sit here and give you suggestions because I know you have heard them all: pray more, go to mass, visit a priest, seek therapy, go to confession. All of these tools are useful; but at this point, you have flooded your thoughts with confusion that you don’t even know where to begin. None of this is your fault. What you need more than anything is to be told that you have not been neglected, trust me on this when I say you are not alone.

Not many people have lived through true oppression. They have struggles like anyone else, but they have not been forced to live a lifetime of fear and darkness. That’s what you are living with right now and I am so sorry. You’re thinking, “How can God exist if He supposedly made humankind in the likeness of His image and look how cruel humanity is?” You are going to have trust issues because you lack that love and faith in yourself. Until you learn to open your eyes and see the world in you, then you will learn to trust that there is protector out there watching over you. God is conceived in your heart and born in your eyes. What you have been through that no one else has ever experienced can easily distort your perception. All I can say is it takes baby steps.

I know if I say I will pray for you, it won’t help any. In your eyes, being prayed for is like the person who says they"ll promise they will write. It’s like an empty promise to you. What I do promise is that you have not been abandoned and there are people like myself out there to help you and protect you.
 
QUOTE=AthenasPrayer;9186016]There are many sub forums here and I wasn’t exactly sure where to put what I am thinking and feeling. I thought about going to church today…I haven’t been to church since I was kicked out at 5years old…( I was kicked out because I couldn’t read english and I had to sit 4 hours in the rain for my parents to pick me up ) For most of my life I tell people that I am agnostic… My father was Catholic, my mother Christian. Anyways…I am not really sure why I am here instead of being in a church…I feel so…Angry, so alone.
I was told that I could never have children ( I am 23 years old ) I also have serious kidney problems. 2 months ago I thought I was pregnant, so i took 2 tests they both came back negative. Friday night I found out that I am in the middle of a miscarriage. I was approximately 2- 2 1/2 months pregnant.
I don’t understand…They say that God doesnt give you more than what you can handle…But why do I have to be his test subject? I’ve been beating, raped, starved, bruised, scarred and shattered, and each time I have tried to stand back up with a smile on my face. A child is the ONE thing I really wanted in this life…Why give it to me and take it back? What have I done so wrong to keep getting slaps in the face?
My heart is black…And I don’t think I can recover from this one. Congratulations God…you win. I’m finally broken.
I am very sorry for you, but don’t turn your back on God. I don’t think for one minute your misery is coming for God. God knew you before you were made in the womb, he knows the number of hairs on your head. Great understanding and joy can come out of those who suffer. You are not alone.

I am fully with God today and I have been through some things too. I’ve been thrown across a room and hit in the chin with a baseball bat (by a man). I needed to learn the lesson of not hanging out with morally bankrupt men. I have also been sexually assualted-twice. I’m still here and and loving God.

All I ever wanted was love when I was very young, (from a man) when I should have been looking for God’s love, and I went about it in a very wrong way. Because of that, I had many sexual partners, contracted cancer from an STD, and had to undergo the permanent loss of my fertility as well as radiation and chemotherapy. God let me go through this suffering to call me back to Him and to show me how messed up my priorities were. I’m still here and loving God.

My father killed himself when I was 23 in a very vocal, messy and horrific way. I had a good friend get beaten to death at 28, and family members die. I have a dsyfunctional family. My marriage is shaky at best. I have acquaintences but not many real friends. I’m 25 lbs overweight. I have bad gums. I have to live with my bad past. I fight a drinking problem. I’m still here and loving God.

My point is, we all are going through struggle. Sometimes I think I am the only one if the world, I really do. But I am not, and you are not either. God loves you with a ferocity you can’t imagine. There is a popular quote out there that says something like, “Be kind to people, because they are going through some kind of struggle.” We all are. And just to know other people are going through **** too helps me so so much. Does it help you?

You might not know the reason for your sufferings until later in life, but I think you will know it at some point. My advice would be to know you are not alone, and pray to God. Just pray to Him. I wish you the best of luck.

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