My French atheist girlfriend

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Hello i am 20 years old student in college in Oaris.I am a Greek Catholic from catholic minority of Greece.I have relationship with my beautiful and sweet girlfriend who is French and atheist(here in France many people are atheists/agnostics or dont go to Catholic churches…We Greek Catholic youngs are very religious and we go very often to church.In France the Catholic churches havent got prople in church who go i and my Greek Catholics friends(all Greek Catholic students go often to church) who are students in my college we are 15 Greek Catholics and not many French Catholics.All Catholic churches havent got French Catholics and we(the Greek Catholics college students and the Polish Catholics students) are sad who this…The Eastern and oriental Orthodox and Evangelical churches in France has got many people and young Orthodox and Evangelical christians students go very offten to churches and the Orthodox and Evangelical priests build more and more churches or take old catholic Churches who closed.Why tis dechristianization was only in French Catholi Church?My atheist French girlfriend tell me that is from French revolution.She like that French dont go to church.All French girlfriends and boyfriends who have got the Greek Catholic students in college are atheists/agnostics or dont go to church never!
Guestion 2:When i ask my French atheist girlfriend why other Churches have got many people and why Orthodox and Evangelical college students go offten to churches and French students dont do this.She say that Orthodox and Evangelical christians and youngs Orthodox and Evangelical young christians are stupid because they love their churches and they dont know the French revoloution and dont like their.She havent got good opinion for Catholic Church because she say Catholic Church kill many people.She come one time in church with me vecause she say she love me.What i must do?
 
I think it’s time for you to consider this might not be the girl for you.

I can share with you that as I was discerning marriage I did not want to be in a relationship with a non-believer. I did not want to fight in my marriage or go to church by myself or have difficulty raising kids in the faith.
 
Please ask her how many people were killed in the French Revolution she so admires.

I say find another girl who shares your beliefs and has a better knowledge of history.
 
I’m not certain but there are books written on the Vendee during the French Revolution. One in particular shows how the Revolution treated the Catholics during the Revolution. Not well, not just. There are two sides to every story.

The victors write history.

I haven’t seen this dvd, but it might give you an idea of where to find more information on the Revolution your girlfriend hasn’t encountered before.

navispictures.com/category_s/34.htm

There may be a Catholic sympathetic book in French for the Revolution.

Here is also a short video she might not have considered before. It depicts Catholic nuns one by one going to their deaths right before the end of the French Revolution. youtu.be/cYq614xqnlI

The most important thing you can do for your very sweet girlfriend is pray for her soul.

God Bless you.
 
Anton1000 said:
Hello i am 20 years old student in college in Oaris.I am a Greek Catholic from catholic minority of Greece.I have relationship with my beautiful and sweet girlfriend who is French and atheist(here in France many people are atheists/agnostics or dont go to Catholic churches…We Greek Catholic youngs are very religious and we go very often to church.In France the Catholic churches havent got prople in church who go i and my Greek Catholics friends(all Greek Catholic students go often to church) who are students in my college we are 15 Greek Catholics and not many French Catholics.All Catholic churches havent got French Catholics and we(the Greek Catholics college students and the Polish Catholics students) are sad who this…The Eastern and oriental Orthodox and Evangelical churches in France has got many people and young Orthodox and Evangelical christians students go very offten to churches and the Orthodox and Evangelical priests build more and more churches or take old catholic Churches who closed.Why tis dechristianization was only in French Catholi Church?My atheist French girlfriend tell me that is from French revolution.She like that French dont go to church.All French girlfriends and boyfriends who have got the Greek Catholic students in college are atheists/agnostics or dont go to church never!
Guestion 2:When i ask my French atheist girlfriend why other Churches have got many people and why Orthodox and Evangelical college students go offten to churches and French students dont do this.She say that Orthodox and Evangelical christians and youngs Orthodox and Evangelical young christians are stupid because they love their churches and they dont know the French revoloution and dont like their.She havent got good opinion for Catholic Church because she say Catholic Church kill many people.She come one time in church with me vecause she say she love me.What i must do?
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Our Lady requested that the King of France have a mass offered to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Our Lady said if this did not happen, then terrible things would follow, and that France would lose the Catholic faith. (Can’t remember the exact quote).

Seems to have happened though!
The French Revolution happened after Our Lady’s requests were not heeded…
 
St. Margaret Mary was told by the Lord that she was to “inform the King of France, ‘Eldest son of His Sacred Heart,’ that the Sacred Heart wished ‘to reign in his palace, to be painted on his standard, to be engraved on his arms,’ and that it [the Sacred Heart] will make him ‘triumphant over all the enemies of Holy Church,’ if the King obeyed Christ’s command on these matters. However, as history relates, “Either Louis XIV never received the letter or he refused to reply. But the command still stands.” (The Secret of Saint Margaret Mary by Henri Gheon)

On June 17, 1689, Our Lord also told the saint to tell the Catholic King Louis XIV that France must be solemnly consecrated to His Sacred Heart. This command, too, was ignored by the king and also by his heirs and descendants. As a result, France – first daughter of the Church – was not “triumphant over all the enemies of Holy Church” when France was besieged by the “enemies of the Church.”

Furthermore, it is impossible to believe that God’s mercy and justice would allow to come to fruition the the triumph of the Church’s enemies,who would rise against France, if His messages to the King(s) of France had never been received by them.

AFTER 100 YEARS - OUR LORD’S PATIENCE EXHAUSTED

Exactly one hundred years later, on June 17, 1789, the reigning Catholic king of France (Louis XVI) was stripped of his kingly power and authority by the godless “Third Estate” of the French Revolution. Thus the Reign of Terror went into full motion.

The king and his entire family (including children) were imprisoned. There are some who believe that, during his imprisonment, the King made a private consecration of France to the Sacred Heart, an act fulfilled in the presence of his confessor. But should this legend ever be proven as fact, it still remains that the Lord was not obeyed to the letter. His express command was that the King of France perform a solemn (e.g. – public) consecration of France to His Sacred Heart.

Tragically, the king was executed by the guillotine, paying in his own blood for the disobedience of his forefathers and kings to the King of Kings. Nine months later, his wife the Queen Marie Antoinette, followed in his footsteps. Before her death by execution, the prison guards had taken the Dauphin, their young son, from the care of his mother and the comforting enclosure of his family. The poor little boy, who was badly treated, drugged, and perhaps tortured, was forced to say the most hideous and vile lies against his mother during a sham trial. Later, he disappeared while in the prison, never more to be seen alive. The only surviving child, the young adolescent Marie Terese (known as Madame Royale), was later used as a political pawn. Other innocents also suffered terrible fates during the French Revolution. Due to the ravenous “Mademoiselle Guillotine” and her devotees, the streets literally ran ankle-deep in blood.
 
MaryHelp777 said:
Our Lady requested that the King of France have a mass offered to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Our Lady said if this did not happen, then terrible things would follow, and that France would lose the Catholic faith. (Can’t remember the exact quote).

Seems to have happened though!
The French Revolution happened after Our Lady’s requests were not heeded…
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I am reminded of the parable in which Abraham told the rich man that those who won’t believe the plain meaning of the law and the prophets wouldn’t be turned from wickedness by a vision of the beggar who used to beg at their brother’s gate telling them that their dead brother was in torment. (Luke 16:19-31)

The upper classes of France scandalized the poor by their excesses, and the complicity of those with power who had gotten themselves places of authority in the Church did not go unnoticed, either. The French Revolution should not have come as a surprise. The whole Church in France suffered greatly for that, even to this day.
 
Compare the body counts of ISIS compared to the French Revolution.

According to this large study by the University of Maryland,* ISIS and groups loyal to ISIS have killed 33,000 people from 2002 to 2016. That’s about 2,357 per year. Yet the French Revolution killed at least 40,000 over a period of a few months. The French revolutionaries were also the first to experiment with gas chambers.

The French killed more people than ISIS, far more quickly, and with far less technology. After all, the French Revolution wasn’t called the “reign of terror” for nothing.

If she wants to denounce ISIS, she should also be denouncing the French revolution. The French revolution was far more barbaric and brutal.

Compare secular states body counts to the Catholic Church, and it’s not even close.

She’ll bring up the Crusades-- but she is probably unaware that the Crusades were a defensive war against Islamic aggression, and the first Crusade was only called after THREE HUNDRED YEARS of Islamic conquest.

But as has been stated by others here, she may not be the girl for you. Hopefully you can find someone in France who shares your faith, but good luck with that… you may need to find other believers within your own community…

*start.umd.edu/pubs/START_IslamicStateTerrorismPatterns_BackgroundReport_Aug2016.pdf
 
I recommend you save yourself a headache and forget about her
 
KEP1983 said:
Compare the body counts of ISIS compared to the French Revolution.

According to this large study by the University of Maryland,* ISIS and groups loyal to ISIS have killed 33,000 people from 2002 to 2016. That’s about 2,357 per year. Yet the French Revolution killed at least 40,000 over a period of a few months. The French revolutionaries were also the first to experiment with gas chambers.

The French killed more people than ISIS, far more quickly, and with far less technology. After all, the French Revolution wasn’t called the “reign of terror” for nothing.

If she wants to denounce ISIS, she should also be denouncing the French revolution. The French revolution was far more barbaric and brutal.

Compare secular states body counts to the Catholic Church, and it’s not even close.

She’ll bring up the Crusades-- but she is probably unaware that the Crusades were a defensive war against Islamic aggression, and the first Crusade was only called after THREE HUNDRED YEARS of Islamic conquest.

But as has been stated by others here, she may not be the girl for you. Hopefully you can find someone in France who shares your faith, but good luck with that… you may need to find other believers within your own community…

*start.umd.edu/pubs/START_IslamicStateTerrorismPatterns_BackgroundReport_Aug2016.pdf
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It is worthwhile to say, "Have you ever READ about the French Revolution? The only thing more shocking than the way the poor had to live in France before the Revolution was the way the mobs went on a murderous rampage during it–and it wasn’t the poorest of the poor who were on the murderous rampages. It was the middle class, and the reasons given for the terrors were totally fabricated. Lies, lots of lies. It was barbaric on a scale that is even remarkable for Europe, and that is saying something. ISIS hasn’t touched it, not yet. It was more like Pol Pot. Horrific.
 
This does not sound like the real history to me at all. Yes, during the Reign of Terror, ( I forget the exact number right now, I don’t know if the total killed was 45,000 or those were just the Catholics killed) many Catholics were killed and this included many religious and clerics. Maybe a historian will jump in (e.g. Rolltide) and correct the info your girlfriend has or you can Google it. But, after the Reign of Terror, there was a great conversion of the people back to the Church. During this beautiful period was when Lourdes occurred. The problem started when Existentialism became a la mode in France and like a horrible contagious disease the liberal mentality of the 50s 60s etc… spread to the deepest corners and most secluded villages in France. Bottom line - her history knowledge is wrong.

Well, personally, I would continue the relationship if I really liked the person give the relationship a chance. But, if her disposition does not change but instead is strengthened, I think the best thing to do is to walk away. In the end, keep in mind, when you choose a woman you are not only choosing your wife - but also the potential mother of your children. Children raised in homes where one parent believes and the other not or where the faiths are different e.g. Christian and Muslim - tend to end up atheists etc… Saint Paul does say that the unbelieving partner is saved thru the believing partner but, why go there when you may still find a good practicing Catholic mother for your children.

But, I would give her a chance to grow etc… How about a lovely trip to Lourdes? You can stay in a youth place for three days or so. Look into it. 🙂 She will be surrounded by young practicing Catholic french at Lourdes.

Heard a guy got killed last night in Paris. It sounds all so dangerous now. Far from the romantic Paris I once knew.

Peace.
 
I don’t think your girlfriend will have a positive influence in your life. I would respectfully tell her that you and her share different ideas and views and that you would like to look for romance elsewhere.

I would either find a different girl or just enjoy being single until your college years are wrapped up, or use an online dating site like CatholicMatch if you want to meet a Catholic girl. Atheists arent necessarily bad people. Especially in W. Europe, many are just poor, benighted souls suffering from what St Mother Teresa called a great spiritual poverty. But even if she is sweet and caring, there’s still going to be an enormous difference in your values.
 
Anton, I’ve thought about this a little more and I think you have gotten quite a bit of advice. Good advice. The little trip to Lourdes sounds wonderful. 🙂

I’m now leaning towards you praying for her and tread carefully. She, like a lot of people might resist information that is contrary to what she has been taught.

So pray very much for her, and for her countrymen. It’s so very sad to hear that so many of the youth are unbelievers. The same country that gave us so many great saints. Like Joan of Arc.

You are in my prayers.
 
Anton1000 said:
Hello i am 20 years old student in college in Oaris.I am a Greek Catholic from catholic minority of Greece.I have relationship with my beautiful and sweet girlfriend who is French and atheist(here in France many people are atheists/agnostics or dont go to Catholic churches…We Greek Catholic youngs are very religious and we go very often to church.In France the Catholic churches havent got prople in church who go i and my Greek Catholics friends(all Greek Catholic students go often to church) who are students in my college we are 15 Greek Catholics and not many French Catholics.All Catholic churches havent got French Catholics and we(the Greek Catholics college students and the Polish Catholics students) are sad who this…The Eastern and oriental Orthodox and Evangelical churches in France has got many people and young Orthodox and Evangelical christians students go very offten to churches and the Orthodox and Evangelical priests build more and more churches or take old catholic Churches who closed.Why tis dechristianization was only in French Catholi Church?My atheist French girlfriend tell me that is from French revolution.She like that French dont go to church.All French girlfriends and boyfriends who have got the Greek Catholic students in college are atheists/agnostics or dont go to church never!
Guestion 2:When i ask my French atheist girlfriend why other Churches have got many people and why Orthodox and Evangelical college students go offten to churches and French students dont do this.She say that Orthodox and Evangelical christians and youngs Orthodox and Evangelical young christians are stupid because they love their churches and they dont know the French revoloution and dont like their.She havent got good opinion for Catholic Church because she say Catholic Church kill many people.She come one time in church with me vecause she say she love me.What i must do?
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I would ask her where she thinks those rights that the French Revolution fought for came from to begin with. I think France has beautiful national motto, ask her why she thinks it’s true. Ask her why she thinks those are fundamental rights to begin with. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You cannot have a law without a lawmaker. It is not the government that gives rights; it is God that gives us rights. Government is supposed to be there to protect those rights but doesn’t always in practice. I would ask her why she thinks people that go to church are stupid. Ask her why so many people who have made some of the greatest scientific advances in history have been priests. I don’t know what part of the country she is from but I do know that it was a priest that used to study radiation from the Eiffel Tower (Fr. Theodor Wulf). I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t seem stupid to me. Or what about Father Mitch pacwa who speaks 12 languages fluently? Of course, stupid people go to church, as well some as smart people and vice-versa some stupid people don’t go to church and some smart people don’t either. A lot of this doesn’t even stem from the French Revolution it stems from a 1905 law that was influenced by a Freemason who didn’t even appoint faithful Catholics to certain positions, for the simple fact they were Catholic. I have read a good bit about the French Revolution and it is my understanding it was started based on a rumour. I think that even if things were bad in France, and even if a Revolution was justified some of the actions weren’t and I would ask her how many innocent people she knows about being killed during the revolution because it wasn’t a little.
 
Here in France many French college students and French people think that French Revoloution is the most important of French history…We(i and my friends) arent French we are Greek Raman-Catholic or Polish Catholics.We Greek Catholics(and Polish) are very religious we go every Week in Church but French(not French atheists and agnostics who are many,the French who say are Catholics) dont go never to church.In this time Muslims,orthodox and Evangelical Christians in France build more and more churches because they are go very offten to their churches and are veey religious.I kniw because in College have got Orthodox,Evangelicals and muslims college students who are very religious the only Cathplics who are religious in college were Greek and Polish Catholics because French are or atheists,or agnostics or Catholics who dont go never Church and they dont go never the Big Religious catholic events the French churches hasnt got any people in Catgolic Church who go we Greek and Polish Catholic students has not got any French students.I see in internet that people who say are Catholics in France(from people who say are Catholics(55%)-(the 85% dont go never church the 4% go offten church and the 11% go only big Catholic events one-two times in the year!But the 85% of the French who say are dont go Church never!)Why the French who became Muslims(200.000),orthodox Christians(160.000) and Evangelicals christians(300.000) are very religious and the French who are Catholics dont?And the French who become again religious dont go to Catholic church but go to Orthodox and Evangelical Church and Islam!Why?I see history and the French atheists appearance first time in 1688-1789(Voltaire,Didero,the atheist priest Jean Meslier and other) before this havent got any atheists appearance in France.In French revoloution start dechristianization of France(1789-1801)who continue with not wars in 1801-1905 and 1905 Catholic isnt the Religion of France.In 33 who France become Christian to 1688 atheists are 0% in 1774 atheists in France 7-8% in 1789 the year who start French Revoloution are 10%,the 1905 are 20% and now are 40-55%.In 1905 43% of Catholic French go to church offten,in 1952 27% go offten to church and now only 4% go offten to church!I say my girlfriend for the killing in the Vandea and she say that Catholic Church kill more peoople but she apologized becauase she see that i sad with this who say…She come one time to Church with me becayse i please her and she say that she love me.She say that i dint understand hiw imortant are French Revoloution because we(i and my Greek and Catholic friends) are not French.I love my girlfriend and she love me.My girlfriend are Catholic in past but the many French Catolics dont go never in their life!She and her Family dont go never to church her parents dont go never in church in their life!Can i do this Girl to come Religion again not this who do some French who go to Religion agian and become Orthodox,Evangelical Christians or muslims ilcan i do Catholic again thats who are French in the past befire Voltaire,Didero and the 1688?We love!..The Greek Catholics are vwlery religious but French dont go never to church!Really sad to see historical Catholic churches in France to closed or become Orthodox,Evangelical and muslim churches…
 
I dont read more about law of 1905…Why French Democratic war the French Catholic Church?
 
I don’t know about the French Revolution and it’s corruption in the Catholic Church.

But I do know that by choosing to date a young lady who is an atheist, the secular dating norms may lead you into compromising your morals and entice you to live an unchaste life.

If you fall into this sin, you will be cut off from the grace that will help you to discern if this girl is the right one for you and the grace togive you the strength to act if she is not.

If you have already fallen into sin against chastity please go to confession and get good counsel. If not keep this advice in mind.
 
As_for_my_House said:
I don’t know about the French Revolution and it’s corruption in the Catholic Church.

But I do know that by choosing to date a young lady who is an atheist, the secular dating norms may lead you into compromising your morals and entice you to live an unchaste life.

If you fall into this sin, you will be cut off from the grace that will help you to discern if this girl is the right one for you and the grace togive you the strength to act if she is not.

If you have already fallen into sin against chastity please go to confession and get good counsel. If not keep this advice in mind.
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All of the above.

I wish we had 'Like" buttons here. 🙂
 
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